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So, what's the general consensus then?

Good, Bad or Ugly?

Overall, I thought it was a pretty dour affair. I can't remember a tournament that had:

- So many stars play like duds

- So many boring games

- Awful Atmosphere thanks to those stupid horns

- Horrible mistakes thanks to a shit ball: goalies, misplaced passes, sky high shots at goal, lack of free kick goals etc
 
The theme tune for the World Cup should have been a Public Enemy song. A lot of players with very high profiles flopped.


Also while there were no really outstanding attacking sides Spain are easy on the eye and it was nice to see them triumph over the utterly negative approach that most coaches took to the tournament.
 
It was pretty unmemorable. But that's just because I'm older and pretty much bored of brand football. That said, I'd rather watch the World Cup than any other football. At least you know the players mean it when they kiss the badge and it's not all about the team with the most money.

And the TV themes were shite.

No World Cup will eclipse:

Argentina 77: Because it was the first I remember watching.

Spain 82: Tardelli's goal and celebration.

Italia90: That TV theme.
 
Yeah, it wasn't a great tournament.

Italy, France and England were fucking dreadful. Brazil were very workmanlike as were the Netherlands, whilst Argentina took it to the other extreme of fielding too many attacking players - a house of cards if ever there was one. Even Spain weren't often at their best.

Games were mapped out by the managers on a chess board (Rafa must have loved it, eh?) and individual talent didn't really get an opportunity to shine. At least not as much as we'd have liked it to.

Germany were the surprise package of the tournament and players like Oezil and Muller showed the Germans have a future to look forward to. That might be a little harsh on Uruguay who did fantastically well to get as far as they did, but they just bored the shit out of me.
 
At the end of the day, it's something for me to watch whilst I wait for Liverpool's pre-season friendlies to roll around...

It wasn't the greatest World Cup, but there were some matches that were great to watch.
 
Its just kinda fizzled out for me. It was poor at the start, but the last round of group games were great, since then i think its been dull.
The big names didnt turn up, there were too many shite teams and worst of all (and probably sadly where its going) there was just a tactical malaise that ran throughout the tournament. Two banks of four will be how i remember this one. Just functional teams with a dogged and pragmatic outlook that almost to a team where more interested in stopping the opponents playing. There has just been a lack of Joy and Passion, a lack of freedom and attacking intent. Its just been a big old borefest really. Im trained for this type of football now having watched 5 years of Houllier and 6 years of Benitez but the joy i feel watching a spain or a barcelona reminds me of what i fell in love with with football as a lad. The ingenuity and guile, the free flowing joyous aggressive intent.
Germany and Spain and Argentina are the only three teams to come out of this tournament with much credit at all. Argentina where scuppered by a shite manager and shite defence, and the Germans just werent good enough against the best team in the world. Spain havnt run wild but they have tried to play a forward thinking and attacking game whereever possible but come up against teams intent on destroying them as much as they could.

As far as the tournament goes. Unsold tickets is a fucking shame. The Fifa money trick is a shame. Its just all a bit rapey and pilagy to me.
 
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The theme tune for the World Cup should have been a Public Enemy song. A lot of players with very high profiles flopped.


Also while there were no really outstanding attacking sides Spain are easy on the eye and it was nice to see them triumph over the utterly negative approach that most coaches took to the tournament.

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Harsh on Germany who scored four on three occasions.
 
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It was pretty unmemorable. But that's just because I'm older and pretty much bored of brand football. That said, I'd rather watch the World Cup than any other football. At least you know the players mean it when they kiss the badge and it's not all about the team with the most money.

And the TV themes were shite.

No World Cup will eclipse:

Argentina 77: Because it was the first I remember watching.

Spain 82: Tardelli's goal and celebration.

Italia90: That TV theme.
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Argentina 78...
 
It's a bit unlucky for Spain that Torres was injured, because it did damage their ability to make final ball count. Villa doesn't suit playing the spearhead of attack.

I think if Torres had been fit and firing we would be able to say that the best team gave stellar performaces because had there been more goals for them their performances would have been remembered more fondly. They passed the ball beautifully and created chances in each game.
 
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At the end of the day, it's something for me to watch whilst I wait for Liverpool's pre-season friendlies to roll around...

It wasn't the greatest World Cup, but there were some matches that were great to watch.
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Pretty much my feelings ha. Not to mention the US had a good showing with some quality drama making it a good cup for me.
 
I found the world cup interesting. Mind you, fucking no one was here for a large part of the time, so for the last two weeks, I've had little else to do.

I will be interested to see whether Blatter does his normal dance and gives up on referee changes, or does something stupid, as I believe he will, like trying to do it without technology.

The thing I took out of this world cup, is that the current formation trend has homogenized football too much, and it makes it VERY dependent on scoring the first goal. We had African teams not playing how they normally do. How did it benefit them? We had Brazil not playing how they normally do. How did it benefit them?

Teams with a strong sense of identity about their play did well, and the best team won in the end.

Diego Forlan was easily the player of the tournament for me, glad he got the recognition for it, he's a fantastic, clever player.
 
Most big names flopped big time.

Boring football in the main.

Lack of technology spoiled a few games.

Shite ball meant we saw hardly any long range strikes & far too many over-hit crosses whilst players tried to get used to it in SA.

Plusses:

South Africa pulled off a well managed World Cup and I'm glad for them.

Blatter having to swallow his tongue on technology. Maybe the 'ball-over-the-line' incident could turn out to be a major plus.

Plus all of what Sheik said cos I remember all of that - especially the confetti clouds, in the air and then on the pitch, during Argentina's matches in 78 !
 
Looks like I'm the only one who really enjoyed it then?!

I thought Spain, Germany and Uruguay were a joy to watch, and it was good to see instead of the predictable domination of the usual sides. Even Brazil, Portugal and the Argies were entertaining for the most part.

The obvious disappointment is how fucking shite England were.
 
I totally agree Mark, and I have to say that I also enjoyed watching Ghana.

Some mates of mine who were down there, said the atmosphere at the games were second to none, so all in all a good WC.
 
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Looks like I'm the only one who really enjoyed it then?!

I thought Spain, Germany and Uruguay were a joy to watch, and it was good to see instead of the predictable domination of the usual sides. Even Brazil, Portugal and the Argies were entertaining for the most part.

The obvious disappointment is how fucking shite England were.
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No, I enjoyed it. Justified a lot of money spent on my TV too. The gulf between my watching games at my leisure, recorded, in HD, and having to wake up at 430 for some shit internet feed for Liverpool games, was immense.

It also was just fun watching football for football, as opposed to watching shit football, because I had to.
 
the world cup is the best cup by a million miles, it is an absolute work of art. not even the european cup (big ears) comes close

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the world cup is the best cup by a million miles, it is an absolute work of art. not even the european cup (big ears) comes close

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It is. Thank Christ they haven't tried to modernise it.
 
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the world cup is the best cup by a million miles, it is an absolute work of art. not even the european cup (big ears) comes close

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Really? I think it's fucking ugly, and it's not close to the European cup. It looks like crumpled up tin foil around a grapefruit painted gold.
 
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the world cup is the best cup by a million miles, it is an absolute work of art. not even the european cup (big ears) comes close

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It is. Thank Christ they haven't tried to modernise it.
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the pity is it doesn't look like english hands are ever going to touch it.
 
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the world cup is the best cup by a million miles, it is an absolute work of art. not even the european cup (big ears) comes close

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Really? I think it's fucking ugly, and it's not close to the European cup. It looks like crumpled up tin foil around a grapefruit painted gold.
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I think big ears looks boring in comparison.
is the world cup solid gold or gold plated?
 
No surprise that it was the best World Cup ever for me. The country's been buzzing for a month, atmosphere has been amazing, stadiums fantastic, and some really good games to watch. I got to watch Kuyt, Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Alonso, Messi, Mascherano, Maxi, et al, live.

SA managed to prove many naysayers wrong, and I'm proud of that.

I gave up my final ticket 4 hours before kickoff yesterday, but the cause was worthy and I'm happy that I did it.

I may have to live on bread and water for the rest of the year, but it's been worth every cent!
 
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the world cup is the best cup by a million miles, it is an absolute work of art. not even the european cup (big ears) comes close

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Really? I think it's fucking ugly, and it's not close to the European cup. It looks like crumpled up tin foil around a grapefruit painted gold.
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I think big ears looks boring in comparison.
is the world cup solid gold or gold plated?
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There was a decent article in four four two last month about the trophy.
 
I didn't watch many games, because I wasn't that interested, but it seemed rather under-par for the most part. The Vuvuzelas were annoying, but the most interesting talking point for me was the ball.

Now, we're all used to new technology (especially the chosen football) being roundly castigated, but the Jubulani (or whatever the fuck it was called) seemed to have more criticism than any other ball in memory, and I certainly recall seeing some really odd movement when it was hit high, or hard, and people kept slagging it right till the end. It seemed to move more like a sock filled with wet sand than a football.

So was it a factor? And why? And will it ever be used again in a different league? (I know Zee Germans had it all season in the Bundesliga)
 

World Cup 2010: Jabulani has made this the worst World Cup ever, says Craig Johnston



Craig Johnston, former Liverpool midfielder, designer of the Predator football boot and all-round football technology guru, has accused Fifa of ruining the World Cup with the infamous Jabulani ball



Craig Johnston has been watching this World Cup with something approaching despair. As he has seen passes go astray, crosses over hit and free kicks disappear into Row Z, he has become convinced of it: we have been subjected to the worst World Cup ever. And there is a simple reason for that.

"By my calculations we have been denied at least ten goals that were not scored in this World Cup so far, because of the erratic and unstable flight of the Jabulani football," he says.

And Johnston's statistics are backed up by Opta. The organisation acknowledges that, up to the quarter final, there were more misplaced passes than at any of the last four tournaments.

Johnston – who has watched games both live and on television in his role as analyst for Australian Broadcasting – is so unhappy he has written an open letter to Fifa boss Sepp Blatter (a copy of which he has passed to the Telegraph) pleading with him to remove the ball from competitive action immediately.

"Let me put it this way," he says. "If they weren't using the Jabulani, then there would have been no refereeing error over Frank Lampard's goal [for England against Germany].

"Because if it had behaved like a normal ball, that shot would have gone under the cross bar. And by the way, I've analysed it and Lampard's second half shot that hit the crossbar would have gone in too. I'm not saying England were cheated out of it, they may have lost anyway, but they were denied two goals. By that ball."

Johnston knows what he is talking about. After retiring from a distinguished playing career with Liverpool, the Australian designed, built and set up the original testing laboratory for adidas in Herzogenaurach Germany in the early nineties.

As lead innovation consultant there he created the Predator football boot, the Tragion sole system and tested the original prototypes of the ball used in USA 1994.

It was also at the lab that he pioneered the use of super slow motion footage with Oxford Scientific Films and digital techniques with the Frauenhoffer Institute to study the movement of a ball in flight.

What he discovered was that spin came about because of the way the air travelled over the 180 imperfections formed by a 32 panel ball. The manner in which a player addressed the ball could impart top spin, back spin, curve, dip and swerve.

Dead-ball experts like Ronaldo, Robinho and Lampard may not have appreciated that they were utilising what is known as the Magnus effect, they just understood through hours of practice how to manipulate the ball.

And that was taken away from them by the introduction of the perfectly spherical Jabulani, which, without those 180 imperfections, gives no opportunity to spin. As a result, Johnston believes, we have been watching the game change before our very eyes this past month.

"This ball doesn't reward the craft of the player," he insists. "Sure, the brighter players have worked out how to use it pretty quickly.

"Take Diego Forlan. Against Ghana and Holland he just whacked the ball as hard as he could into the centre of the goal knowing the erratic nature of the way it flies would deceive the keeper.

"It worked. You only had to see the look in Richard Kingston's eyes to see what was going on. He was basically saying: what the eff was that?"

Johnston also believes also that Germany's first goal against England was a product of study of the new ball. The goalkeeper's huge punt upfield wobbled oddly in the air, deceiving England's centre backs.

"It's was route one and it worked," he says. "With that and the shooting, this is a ball that encourages prehistoric football. This ball is nervous, flighty, it does not reward clever play."

What's more, he adds, its speed in the air is deceiving referees as much as it is players. He puts a number of refereeing howlers, including Harry Kewell's sending off for Australia, down to the ball not behaving as anticipated.

"Football is all about texture, flavour and colour," he says. "That has been taken away by a ball sanctioned by who? Fifa and its sponsors. They may have been rewarded by making tens of millions of dollars profit, but the result is they have removed the art and craft from the game."

Johnston concludes his letter to Blatter with the following question: "If a sponsor came into your office before the World Cup and said: 'We are going to give you a new, perfectly round match ball, the players won't like it at all, there will be more mistakes made than in any other World Cup, there will be fewer goals scored, fewer passes completed, less control by players and roughly 70% of shots on goal will go wide or way over the crossbar.' What would you say to them?"

But that, he adds, is what has happened. And it is time something was done, before the game changes irrevocably for the worse.
 
An illuminating open letter from someone who seems to be a very intelligent ex-footballer - I didn't know he had been so involved in the testing and theory of ball light and production.

FIFA were idiots focused purely, it seems from the outside, on cashing in big time on the marketing potential of the WC. But then we all knew Blatter was a cunt even before the WC. I would like to know what the feedback on the ball was 6 months before the WC and if there had been an opportunity to re-design or remove this ball from competition.
 
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the world cup is the best cup by a million miles, it is an absolute work of art. not even the european cup (big ears) comes close

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Really? I think it's fucking ugly, and it's not close to the European cup. It looks like crumpled up tin foil around a grapefruit painted gold.
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I think big ears looks boring in comparison.
is the world cup solid gold or gold plated?
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There you go Neil,

I never knew Nike was the Greek Goddess of Victory, until two minutes ago

The World Cup is a gold trophy that is awarded to the winners of the FIFA World Cup. Since the advent of the World Cup in 1930, two trophies have represented victory: the Jules Rimet Trophy from 1930 to 1970, and the FIFA World Cup Trophy from 1974 to the present day.

The trophy, originally named Victory, but later renamed in honour of former FIFA president Jules Rimet, was made of gold plated sterling silver and lapis lazuli and depicted Nike, the Greek goddess of victory. Brazil won the trophy outright in 1970, prompting the commissioning of a replacement. The Jules Rimet Trophy was stolen in 1983 and never recovered. The replacement trophy, the FIFA World Cup Trophy, was first used in 1974. Made of 18 carat gold with a malachite base, it depicts two human figures holding up the Earth. The current holder of the trophy is Spain, winner of the 2010 World Cup.
 
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