Why Rafa could quit
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965986#msg965986 date=1256006294]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Listen children, all could change in 6 days. Doesn't matter if we win those couple of games but that would not change the fact that we are talking about this shit in mid-October is the sign of everything bad that is going to come in future. I dont' fucking care now if he goes before the Manure game. He should fucking leave. A horrendous start to a season where we should be challenging. No excuses. Bad summer transfer activity. Mascher wants to leave etc etc. All because of Rafael now.
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
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He won't be fired Glock for two reasons:
It's October.
It'd cost a fortune.
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As i've said, let Sammy Lee and Kenny run the team for the rest of the season. Get the ownership sorted and come June 1st of next season have the new manager lined up and ready to come in. We're not going to win the league this year and we're one loss away from being out of the CL. If Rafa stays for the season then getting rid of him is going to take too long next summer and then we'll have to go and find a new manager meaning it'll prob be July when the new man takes over which is too late in the summer to get the team ready in his style for the season.
Also, with Rafa out of the way and a more club focused approach we are a more appealing club to a new owner who can take over knowing that they can appoint their own man and not have to worry about compensation for Rafa as the existing owners will have taken care of that.
4th place is not enough this season. 1st was the only really acceptable outcome after last season. 2nd or 3rd would have saved him and gotten him another year. But 4th or 5th which are the best we can hope for (we could realistically finish 6th or 7th unless things get sorted soon) are not good enough.
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Listen children, all could change in 6 days. Doesn't matter if we win those couple of games but that would not change the fact that we are talking about this shit in mid-October is the sign of everything bad that is going to come in future. I dont' fucking care now if he goes before the Manure game. He should fucking leave. A horrendous start to a season where we should be challenging. No excuses. Bad summer transfer activity. Mascher wants to leave etc etc. All because of Rafael now.
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
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He won't be fired Glock for two reasons:
It's October.
It'd cost a fortune.
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As i've said, let Sammy Lee and Kenny run the team for the rest of the season. Get the ownership sorted and come June 1st of next season have the new manager lined up and ready to come in. We're not going to win the league this year and we're one loss away from being out of the CL. If Rafa stays for the season then getting rid of him is going to take too long next summer and then we'll have to go and find a new manager meaning it'll prob be July when the new man takes over which is too late in the summer to get the team ready in his style for the season.
Also, with Rafa out of the way and a more club focused approach we are a more appealing club to a new owner who can take over knowing that they can appoint their own man and not have to worry about compensation for Rafa as the existing owners will have taken care of that.
4th place is not enough this season. 1st was the only really acceptable outcome after last season. 2nd or 3rd would have saved him and gotten him another year. But 4th or 5th which are the best we can hope for (we could realistically finish 6th or 7th unless things get sorted soon) are not good enough.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965988#msg965988 date=1256006583]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
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In case you're interested, here's what Glock said less than 2 weeks ago...
Yeah i sad that 2 weeks ago and i tell you what....bam! i changed my mind! So i cannot change my mind and want Rafael out now after 4 defeat in 9 fucking games? ? ??
I'll post what i want where i want.
It won't matter to you, you're a Rafa fan, not a Liverpool fan.
Sammy and Kenny in charge for the rest of the season is the best option
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
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In case you're interested, here's what Glock said less than 2 weeks ago...
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Yeah i sad that 2 weeks ago and i tell you what....bam! i changed my mind! So i cannot change my mind and want Rafael out now after 4 defeat in 9 fucking games? ? ??
I'll post what i want where i want.
It won't matter to you, you're a Rafa fan, not a Liverpool fan.
Sammy and Kenny in charge for the rest of the season is the best option
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965994#msg965994 date=1256009246]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965988#msg965988 date=1256006583]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
[/quote]
In case you're interested, here's what Glock said less than 2 weeks ago...
Yeah i sad that 2 weeks ago and i tell you what....bam! i changed my mind! So i cannot change my mind and want Rafael out now after 4 defeat in 9 fucking games? ? ??
I'll post what i want where i want.
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GROCK LOVES TO FWIP FWOP.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965988#msg965988 date=1256006583]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
[/quote]
In case you're interested, here's what Glock said less than 2 weeks ago...
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Yeah i sad that 2 weeks ago and i tell you what....bam! i changed my mind! So i cannot change my mind and want Rafael out now after 4 defeat in 9 fucking games? ? ??
I'll post what i want where i want.
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GROCK LOVES TO FWIP FWOP.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965998#msg965998 date=1256009561]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965994#msg965994 date=1256009246]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965988#msg965988 date=1256006583]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
[/quote]
In case you're interested, here's what Glock said less than 2 weeks ago...
Yeah i sad that 2 weeks ago and i tell you what....bam! i changed my mind! So i cannot change my mind and want Rafael out now after 4 defeat in 9 fucking games? ? ??
I'll post what i want where i want.
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GROCK LOVES TO FWIP FWOP.
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Because we have a poor manager perhaps?? Can you not see that the fact that we are even having this discussion in MID OCTOBER is a clear sign that Benitez is not the right man to have in charge.
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965994#msg965994 date=1256009246]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965988#msg965988 date=1256006583]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
[/quote]
In case you're interested, here's what Glock said less than 2 weeks ago...
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Yeah i sad that 2 weeks ago and i tell you what....bam! i changed my mind! So i cannot change my mind and want Rafael out now after 4 defeat in 9 fucking games? ? ??
I'll post what i want where i want.
[/quote]
GROCK LOVES TO FWIP FWOP.
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Because we have a poor manager perhaps?? Can you not see that the fact that we are even having this discussion in MID OCTOBER is a clear sign that Benitez is not the right man to have in charge.
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966001#msg966001 date=1256009876]
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
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Unfortunate?? ??
Liverpool are in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. So far from fucked financially. We may not have massive amounts of money to spend but Rafa has always had a competitive budget. He just have to be creative in the market. He didn't
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
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Unfortunate?? ??
Liverpool are in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. So far from fucked financially. We may not have massive amounts of money to spend but Rafa has always had a competitive budget. He just have to be creative in the market. He didn't
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966001#msg966001 date=1256009876]
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
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Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
[/quote]
Where was the question?
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966001#msg966001 date=1256009876]
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
[/quote]
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
[/quote]
Where was the question?
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965994#msg965994 date=1256009246]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965988#msg965988 date=1256006583]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
[/quote]
In case you're interested, here's what Glock said less than 2 weeks ago...
Yeah i sad that 2 weeks ago and i tell you what....bam! i changed my mind! So i cannot change my mind and want Rafael out now after 4 defeat in 9 fucking games? ? ??
I'll post what i want where i want.
It won't matter to you, you're a Rafa fan, not a Liverpool fan.
Sammy and Kenny in charge for the rest of the season is the best option
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So, you've come to this conclusion in just two weeks? I can understand that, 'cos your mate has changed his style SOOOOOOOO much in just this past fortnight...
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg965988#msg965988 date=1256006583]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg965984#msg965984 date=1256005266]
Fire him now or we'll finish mid-table. That's it.
[/quote]
In case you're interested, here's what Glock said less than 2 weeks ago...
[/quote]
Yeah i sad that 2 weeks ago and i tell you what....bam! i changed my mind! So i cannot change my mind and want Rafael out now after 4 defeat in 9 fucking games? ? ??
I'll post what i want where i want.
It won't matter to you, you're a Rafa fan, not a Liverpool fan.
Sammy and Kenny in charge for the rest of the season is the best option
[/quote]
So, you've come to this conclusion in just two weeks? I can understand that, 'cos your mate has changed his style SOOOOOOOO much in just this past fortnight...
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
Unfortunate?? ??
Liverpool are in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. So far from fucked financially. We may not have massive amounts of money to spend but Rafa has always had a competitive budget. He just have to be creative in the market. He didn't
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Let's take your points one by one.
Liverpool aren't in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. Chelsea wasn't set up to be a sensible business proposition and neither was Man City. If they ever became sane investments, it'd be years and years after they were bought. They were prestige buys. The fact that in any other line of business they'd be a disaster is utterly irrelevant. They have owners willing to throw a good amount of money at a situation to get them where they need to be, and Man City will likely end up calming their spending (how could they not) once they've established themselves as competitive. United have some similar issues to us, however they don't bleed onto the field constantly as do ours, because ours unprofessionally score points against one another/Rafa in front of a very eager press.
I don't know enough about what happened this summer, and no one does. I do think that what was initially promised to Rafa changed based on imminent financial needs, and if that happened after purchases were made, I have more sympathy for him than I would otherwise, but we'll never know. He certainly didn't help his case with his disastrous Dossena and Keane purchases, and Aquilani was a risk that has certainly hurt us, but if cash is tight, and will be in future transfer seasons, it was all the more essential he got exactly who he wanted, as opposed to making a shorter term decision that was a blunder. Call it being creative. We can't evaluate that decision yet, given we've never seen him play for us, and though all will be leaping to make that evaluation after his first game, it'll take a while even after that.
This summer had a palpable sense of going backwards for most, and I think it has an impact on the players as well, feeling like they were so close and now instead of building on it, are just trying not to unravel.
All this talk of picking up cheap players intentionally ignores the fact that the whole argument as to why we couldn't spend this summers was that the owners reimagined the transfer budget as inclusive of player wages. Given the inflation of both transfer fees and wages this year, it's very hopeful to think that we could sell our shit players, and buy new better ones that are running low on their contracts, without increasing our net spend with wages taken into account.
Unfortunate?? ??
Liverpool are in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. So far from fucked financially. We may not have massive amounts of money to spend but Rafa has always had a competitive budget. He just have to be creative in the market. He didn't
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Let's take your points one by one.
Liverpool aren't in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. Chelsea wasn't set up to be a sensible business proposition and neither was Man City. If they ever became sane investments, it'd be years and years after they were bought. They were prestige buys. The fact that in any other line of business they'd be a disaster is utterly irrelevant. They have owners willing to throw a good amount of money at a situation to get them where they need to be, and Man City will likely end up calming their spending (how could they not) once they've established themselves as competitive. United have some similar issues to us, however they don't bleed onto the field constantly as do ours, because ours unprofessionally score points against one another/Rafa in front of a very eager press.
I don't know enough about what happened this summer, and no one does. I do think that what was initially promised to Rafa changed based on imminent financial needs, and if that happened after purchases were made, I have more sympathy for him than I would otherwise, but we'll never know. He certainly didn't help his case with his disastrous Dossena and Keane purchases, and Aquilani was a risk that has certainly hurt us, but if cash is tight, and will be in future transfer seasons, it was all the more essential he got exactly who he wanted, as opposed to making a shorter term decision that was a blunder. Call it being creative. We can't evaluate that decision yet, given we've never seen him play for us, and though all will be leaping to make that evaluation after his first game, it'll take a while even after that.
This summer had a palpable sense of going backwards for most, and I think it has an impact on the players as well, feeling like they were so close and now instead of building on it, are just trying not to unravel.
All this talk of picking up cheap players intentionally ignores the fact that the whole argument as to why we couldn't spend this summers was that the owners reimagined the transfer budget as inclusive of player wages. Given the inflation of both transfer fees and wages this year, it's very hopeful to think that we could sell our shit players, and buy new better ones that are running low on their contracts, without increasing our net spend with wages taken into account.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966018#msg966018 date=1256012858]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
Unfortunate?? ??
Liverpool are in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. So far from fucked financially. We may not have massive amounts of money to spend but Rafa has always had a competitive budget. He just have to be creative in the market. He didn't
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Let's take your points one by one.
Liverpool aren't in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. Chelsea wasn't set up to be a sensible business proposition and neither was Man City. If they ever became sane investments, it'd be years and years after they were bought. They were prestige buys. The fact that in any other line of business they'd be a disaster is utterly irrelevant. They have owners willing to throw a good amount of money at a situation to get them where they need to be, and Man City will likely end up calming their spending (how could they not) once they've established themselves as competitive. United have some similar issues to us, however they don't bleed onto the field constantly as do ours, because ours unprofessionally score points against one another/Rafa in front of a very eager press.
I don't know enough about what happened this summer, and no one does. I do think that what was initially promised to Rafa changed based on imminent financial needs, and if that happened after purchases were made, I have more sympathy for him than I would otherwise, but we'll never know. He certainly didn't help his case with his disastrous Dossena and Keane purchases, and Aquilani was a risk that has certainly hurt us, but if cash is tight, and will be in future transfer seasons, it was all the more essential he got exactly who he wanted, as opposed to making a shorter term decision that was a blunder. Call it being creative. We can't evaluate that decision yet, given we've never seen him play for us, and though all will be leaping to make that evaluation after his first game, it'll take a while even after that.
This summer had a palpable sense of going backwards for most, and I think it has an impact on the players as well, feeling like they were so close and now instead of building on it, are just trying not to unravel.
All this talk of picking up cheap players intentionally ignores the fact that the whole argument as to why we couldn't spend this summers was that the owners reimagined the transfer budget as inclusive of player wages. Given the inflation of both transfer fees and wages this year, it's very hopeful to think that we could sell our shit players, and buy new better ones that are running low on their contracts, without increasing our net spend with wages taken into account.
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You do realise that was a massive waste of your time don't you Fark?
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
Unfortunate?? ??
Liverpool are in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. So far from fucked financially. We may not have massive amounts of money to spend but Rafa has always had a competitive budget. He just have to be creative in the market. He didn't
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
[/quote]
Let's take your points one by one.
Liverpool aren't in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. Chelsea wasn't set up to be a sensible business proposition and neither was Man City. If they ever became sane investments, it'd be years and years after they were bought. They were prestige buys. The fact that in any other line of business they'd be a disaster is utterly irrelevant. They have owners willing to throw a good amount of money at a situation to get them where they need to be, and Man City will likely end up calming their spending (how could they not) once they've established themselves as competitive. United have some similar issues to us, however they don't bleed onto the field constantly as do ours, because ours unprofessionally score points against one another/Rafa in front of a very eager press.
I don't know enough about what happened this summer, and no one does. I do think that what was initially promised to Rafa changed based on imminent financial needs, and if that happened after purchases were made, I have more sympathy for him than I would otherwise, but we'll never know. He certainly didn't help his case with his disastrous Dossena and Keane purchases, and Aquilani was a risk that has certainly hurt us, but if cash is tight, and will be in future transfer seasons, it was all the more essential he got exactly who he wanted, as opposed to making a shorter term decision that was a blunder. Call it being creative. We can't evaluate that decision yet, given we've never seen him play for us, and though all will be leaping to make that evaluation after his first game, it'll take a while even after that.
This summer had a palpable sense of going backwards for most, and I think it has an impact on the players as well, feeling like they were so close and now instead of building on it, are just trying not to unravel.
All this talk of picking up cheap players intentionally ignores the fact that the whole argument as to why we couldn't spend this summers was that the owners reimagined the transfer budget as inclusive of player wages. Given the inflation of both transfer fees and wages this year, it's very hopeful to think that we could sell our shit players, and buy new better ones that are running low on their contracts, without increasing our net spend with wages taken into account.
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You do realise that was a massive waste of your time don't you Fark?
Its clear you don't know enough what had happen this summer but one thing is clear enough, when Alonso wanted to leave what did Rafael do? Sign an injury prone midfielder for 20 mil instead of searching for other options. Defour was available and wanted to come to us. Zhirkov (for left wing spot) is available too.
Alonso left because of Benitez. Mascherano wants to leave because of Benitez. Gerrard almost left because of Benitez. All the Valencia team that came out and spoke of their delight that he had left. He's not the man who could take us to the title whether he has the financial backing or not.
Alonso left because of Benitez. Mascherano wants to leave because of Benitez. Gerrard almost left because of Benitez. All the Valencia team that came out and spoke of their delight that he had left. He's not the man who could take us to the title whether he has the financial backing or not.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg966007#msg966007 date=1256010870]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966001#msg966001 date=1256009876]
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
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Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Where was the question?
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Stop being a muppet in here boy.
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966001#msg966001 date=1256009876]
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
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Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Where was the question?
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Stop being a muppet in here boy.
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966027#msg966027 date=1256015096]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg966007#msg966007 date=1256010870]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966001#msg966001 date=1256009876]
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
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Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Where was the question?
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Stop being a muppet in here boy.
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Yeah Ryan, stop it! You bad boy, FACT.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg966007#msg966007 date=1256010870]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966001#msg966001 date=1256009876]
There's obviously not a fucking chance we'll finish midtable, and I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4.
Before the usual idiots think I'm some drooling optimist, the fact is that I never thought we'd win the title this year due to what happened during the summer, and I said as much.
Rafa has several faults, which haven't gone away, but its unfortunate that he got the least support in the market that he's had his entire career here, the summer after doing better in the league than anyone has for us in yonks.
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Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Where was the question?
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Stop being a muppet in here boy.
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Yeah Ryan, stop it! You bad boy, FACT.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg966023#msg966023 date=1256014243]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966018#msg966018 date=1256012858]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
Unfortunate?? ??
Liverpool are in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. So far from fucked financially. We may not have massive amounts of money to spend but Rafa has always had a competitive budget. He just have to be creative in the market. He didn't
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Let's take your points one by one.
Liverpool aren't in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. Chelsea wasn't set up to be a sensible business proposition and neither was Man City. If they ever became sane investments, it'd be years and years after they were bought. They were prestige buys. The fact that in any other line of business they'd be a disaster is utterly irrelevant. They have owners willing to throw a good amount of money at a situation to get them where they need to be, and Man City will likely end up calming their spending (how could they not) once they've established themselves as competitive. United have some similar issues to us, however they don't bleed onto the field constantly as do ours, because ours unprofessionally score points against one another/Rafa in front of a very eager press.
I don't know enough about what happened this summer, and no one does. I do think that what was initially promised to Rafa changed based on imminent financial needs, and if that happened after purchases were made, I have more sympathy for him than I would otherwise, but we'll never know. He certainly didn't help his case with his disastrous Dossena and Keane purchases, and Aquilani was a risk that has certainly hurt us, but if cash is tight, and will be in future transfer seasons, it was all the more essential he got exactly who he wanted, as opposed to making a shorter term decision that was a blunder. Call it being creative. We can't evaluate that decision yet, given we've never seen him play for us, and though all will be leaping to make that evaluation after his first game, it'll take a while even after that.
This summer had a palpable sense of going backwards for most, and I think it has an impact on the players as well, feeling like they were so close and now instead of building on it, are just trying not to unravel.
All this talk of picking up cheap players intentionally ignores the fact that the whole argument as to why we couldn't spend this summers was that the owners reimagined the transfer budget as inclusive of player wages. Given the inflation of both transfer fees and wages this year, it's very hopeful to think that we could sell our shit players, and buy new better ones that are running low on their contracts, without increasing our net spend with wages taken into account.
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You do realise that was a massive waste of your time don't you Fark?
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Yep. It's not really for him.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36527.msg966018#msg966018 date=1256012858]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966006#msg966006 date=1256010751]
Unfortunate?? ??
Liverpool are in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. So far from fucked financially. We may not have massive amounts of money to spend but Rafa has always had a competitive budget. He just have to be creative in the market. He didn't
Rafa is on his way. Everyone can see if. You know it yourself but you just refuse to see. "I think there's very little chance we'll finish outside the top 4" When we have the best starting 11. The answer is Rafael!!!!
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Let's take your points one by one.
Liverpool aren't in the best financial state of any of the big 4 in the premiership. Chelsea wasn't set up to be a sensible business proposition and neither was Man City. If they ever became sane investments, it'd be years and years after they were bought. They were prestige buys. The fact that in any other line of business they'd be a disaster is utterly irrelevant. They have owners willing to throw a good amount of money at a situation to get them where they need to be, and Man City will likely end up calming their spending (how could they not) once they've established themselves as competitive. United have some similar issues to us, however they don't bleed onto the field constantly as do ours, because ours unprofessionally score points against one another/Rafa in front of a very eager press.
I don't know enough about what happened this summer, and no one does. I do think that what was initially promised to Rafa changed based on imminent financial needs, and if that happened after purchases were made, I have more sympathy for him than I would otherwise, but we'll never know. He certainly didn't help his case with his disastrous Dossena and Keane purchases, and Aquilani was a risk that has certainly hurt us, but if cash is tight, and will be in future transfer seasons, it was all the more essential he got exactly who he wanted, as opposed to making a shorter term decision that was a blunder. Call it being creative. We can't evaluate that decision yet, given we've never seen him play for us, and though all will be leaping to make that evaluation after his first game, it'll take a while even after that.
This summer had a palpable sense of going backwards for most, and I think it has an impact on the players as well, feeling like they were so close and now instead of building on it, are just trying not to unravel.
All this talk of picking up cheap players intentionally ignores the fact that the whole argument as to why we couldn't spend this summers was that the owners reimagined the transfer budget as inclusive of player wages. Given the inflation of both transfer fees and wages this year, it's very hopeful to think that we could sell our shit players, and buy new better ones that are running low on their contracts, without increasing our net spend with wages taken into account.
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You do realise that was a massive waste of your time don't you Fark?
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Yep. It's not really for him.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg966139#msg966139 date=1256032816]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36527.msg966136#msg966136 date=1256032747]
i like glock.
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Elope to Baghdad with him will ya?
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maybe u should start a thread asking for glock to be banned seeing as he's doing a far better job than me of upsetting you rafa lovers.
the tide has turned on this forum. more people are beginning to see that rafa needs to go.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36527.msg966136#msg966136 date=1256032747]
i like glock.
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Elope to Baghdad with him will ya?
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maybe u should start a thread asking for glock to be banned seeing as he's doing a far better job than me of upsetting you rafa lovers.
the tide has turned on this forum. more people are beginning to see that rafa needs to go.
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=36527.msg966160#msg966160 date=1256033906]
Fuck off Glock. See where we are at the end of the season.
I just want to win a trophy, any trophy will do. Its been too long.
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Hahahaha!!
Rafa will never lead Liverpool to the title. If he was capable of doing so he'd have my full support. He's not so he doesn't.
Fuck off Glock. See where we are at the end of the season.
I just want to win a trophy, any trophy will do. Its been too long.
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Hahahaha!!
Rafa will never lead Liverpool to the title. If he was capable of doing so he'd have my full support. He's not so he doesn't.
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=36527.msg966160#msg966160 date=1256033906]
Fuck off Glock. See where we are at the end of the season.
I just want to win a trophy, any trophy will do. Its been too long.
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that's what rafa does to you. makes you feel second rate and inadequate.
before you know it we go from wanting to win the title to lets win any trophy which becomes lets get to a 1/4 or semi final and so on.
at this rate we'll become a spurs who will only ever compete for the fa cup.
Fuck off Glock. See where we are at the end of the season.
I just want to win a trophy, any trophy will do. Its been too long.
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that's what rafa does to you. makes you feel second rate and inadequate.
before you know it we go from wanting to win the title to lets win any trophy which becomes lets get to a 1/4 or semi final and so on.
at this rate we'll become a spurs who will only ever compete for the fa cup.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36527.msg966167#msg966167 date=1256034232]
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=36527.msg966160#msg966160 date=1256033906]
Fuck off Glock. See where we are at the end of the season.
I just want to win a trophy, any trophy will do. Its been too long.
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that's what rafa does to you. makes you feel second rate and inadequate.
before you know it we go from wanting to win the title to lets win any trophy which becomes lets get to a 1/4 or semi final and so on.
at this rate we'll become a spurs who will only ever compete for the fa cup.
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To be honest mate the only time in my Liverpool supporting life i felt we would win the league was after the treble season.
I'd love to believe but i look at the resources of the other sides and the amount they can spend on wages for squad players etc and think it would be an overachievement to win the league. Not impossible but its only going to get even more difficult now City have come into money.
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=36527.msg966160#msg966160 date=1256033906]
Fuck off Glock. See where we are at the end of the season.
I just want to win a trophy, any trophy will do. Its been too long.
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that's what rafa does to you. makes you feel second rate and inadequate.
before you know it we go from wanting to win the title to lets win any trophy which becomes lets get to a 1/4 or semi final and so on.
at this rate we'll become a spurs who will only ever compete for the fa cup.
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To be honest mate the only time in my Liverpool supporting life i felt we would win the league was after the treble season.
I'd love to believe but i look at the resources of the other sides and the amount they can spend on wages for squad players etc and think it would be an overachievement to win the league. Not impossible but its only going to get even more difficult now City have come into money.
S
Squiggles
Guest
There was a Rafa out campaign last year and we went on to have our best season in living memory.
He's not going anywhere unless he decides to walk, which is *hugely* unlikely because, despite all the ownership issues and lack of cash, he's finally got the power he wants within the club, and he knows the majority of the fans are with him.
The one thing I will say is, given his clause in the contract that he has to keep quiet to the press, his decision to leave would come out of the blue.
He's not going anywhere unless he decides to walk, which is *hugely* unlikely because, despite all the ownership issues and lack of cash, he's finally got the power he wants within the club, and he knows the majority of the fans are with him.
The one thing I will say is, given his clause in the contract that he has to keep quiet to the press, his decision to leave would come out of the blue.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36527.msg966167#msg966167 date=1256034232]
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=36527.msg966160#msg966160 date=1256033906]
Fuck off Glock. See where we are at the end of the season.
I just want to win a trophy, any trophy will do. Its been too long.
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that's what rafa does to you. makes you feel second rate and inadequate.
before you know it we go from wanting to win the title to lets win any trophy which becomes lets get to a 1/4 or semi final and so on.
at this rate we'll become a spurs who will only ever compete for the fa cup.
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Er, didn't we just miss out on the league last year despite Gerrard and Torres hardly playing together? I can't remember Spurs doing that lately.
In fact, I don't know why I'm even bothering replying.
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=36527.msg966160#msg966160 date=1256033906]
Fuck off Glock. See where we are at the end of the season.
I just want to win a trophy, any trophy will do. Its been too long.
[/quote]
that's what rafa does to you. makes you feel second rate and inadequate.
before you know it we go from wanting to win the title to lets win any trophy which becomes lets get to a 1/4 or semi final and so on.
at this rate we'll become a spurs who will only ever compete for the fa cup.
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Er, didn't we just miss out on the league last year despite Gerrard and Torres hardly playing together? I can't remember Spurs doing that lately.
In fact, I don't know why I'm even bothering replying.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36527.msg966142#msg966142 date=1256032995]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg966139#msg966139 date=1256032816]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36527.msg966136#msg966136 date=1256032747]
i like glock.
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Elope to Baghdad with him will ya?
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maybe u should start a thread asking for glock to be banned seeing as he's doing a far better job than me of upsetting you rafa lovers.
the tide has turned on this forum. more people are beginning to see that rafa needs to go.
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Actually, I think there already was a thread asking for Glock's ban.
Not too sure who started it but my bet goes to Ryan.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36527.msg966139#msg966139 date=1256032816]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36527.msg966136#msg966136 date=1256032747]
i like glock.
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Elope to Baghdad with him will ya?
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maybe u should start a thread asking for glock to be banned seeing as he's doing a far better job than me of upsetting you rafa lovers.
the tide has turned on this forum. more people are beginning to see that rafa needs to go.
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Actually, I think there already was a thread asking for Glock's ban.
Not too sure who started it but my bet goes to Ryan.
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36527.msg966026#msg966026 date=1256015018]
Alonso left because of Benitez. Mascherano wants to leave because of Benitez. [/quote]
alonso left because of alonso and mash will leave because of mash.
Alonso left because of Benitez. Mascherano wants to leave because of Benitez. [/quote]
alonso left because of alonso and mash will leave because of mash.
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