Why do we still think Man City will fail?

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=35194.msg922928#msg922928 date=1250068196]
City will achieve what they want eventually. However, throwing money at something doesn't INSTANTLY bring results. It didn't at Blackburn and it didn't at Chelsea.

The manager is another problem. I actually do rate Hughes quite highly but just wonder how much time he will be given and how much the owners will interfere if things don't go right.
There were stories last season of Robinho being treated like a superstar and allowed to get away with anything there, basically because Hughes had no power over him. Will there be other situations like that?


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Good post. I'm amazed Hughes' reputation has decreased so dramatically since he joined City. Not so long ago he was a manager who reformed Blackburn with some very good players and took them into Europe. It hasn't blossomed at City yet, but you have to question what power he has over transfers, and therefore some of the accountability for last seasons underachievement. 

Their squad lacks balance and still does, IMO, and it reminds me of Spurs when that directer of football kept signing striker after striker, completely negating their lack of defensive midfielder.

I don't see them as a threat for the title but a top six finish should be achievable. It'll depend on how well Hughes can organise his team defensively, because scoring goals should never be a problem.

Year after next? Who knows...

 

[Y1]

Mark H might be a decent manager but he is ona hide to nothing. The amount of money spent must equate instant success by the new owner. No success=Sack!

Just like the Chelsea manager before Jose M came in.

 

[Squiggles]

Ranieri wasn't unfairly dismissed.

Nice guy, average at best manager.

 

[Piedro]

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35194.msg922933#msg922933 date=1250068812]
It was easy not to hate other teams when we dominated. Now that we have so little success, we sneer at all competitors
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Its just pure jealousy. Thats all.

 

[Y1]

[quote author=Piedro link=topic=35194.msg922956#msg922956 date=1250071847]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35194.msg922933#msg922933 date=1250068812]
It was easy not to hate other teams when we dominated. Now that we have so little success, we sneer at all competitors
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Its just pure jealousy. Thats all.
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True that. We cannot handle other people's success.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35194.msg922951#msg922951 date=1250071517]
Ranieri wasn't unfairly dismissed.

Nice guy, average at best manager.

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He signed Robben and Cech for Mourinho who were vital players for him in his title sucess. They were great singings at the time.

 

[Squiggles]

Doesn't change what I said.

He's always been good at spotting good players - a young Zola & Mendieta, too -  but he's won nothing of a note in 20 years of management, and gets sacked from every single job as a result.

Replacing him for Mourinho was, obviously, a fantastic move.

 

[Molbystwin]

You can only play 11 players at a time and their 11, although very competitive, is not stronger than the current top 4 teams nor has it gelled yet nor had time to actually bee anything oher than a bunch of mercenary cunts pissing around for the money.

Stupid though it may sound i think Man Ciy fans deserve a bit better for their LONG suffering support.

 

[Y1]

Raineri spent Roman's millions and was expected to be successful. He did not win the trophies. That was the problem.

 

[Mors]

They will come good soon, they can't fail to with the amount of money being spent - look at Chelski.

I think their problems with immediate success are:

Manager isn't upto it, he's alright but not got a champions or a european pedigree for the later stages of competitions.
Too many new faces, going to take time for them to click and work out each other.
Dressing room disharmony - Even the shit playerss are on 100k+ and wont be getting a game. Too many primadonna's.

 

[Sunny]

I wouldn't draw parallels with City and Chelsea when RA bought them. Chelsea had the nucleus of a good team already and just needed to buy a few premium players. The squad at City before the takeover was considerably weaker and they have an inexperienced manager. Ranieri was at least well experienced although it's quite easy to say he underperformed given the players he bought. Assembling a team that's capable of winning things and delivering them are different things.

 

[Molbystwin]

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35194.msg922971#msg922971 date=1250073244]
Raineri spent Roman's millions and was expected to be successful. He did not win the trophies. That was the problem.
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I think Ranieri would have won the league with Chelsea the season that Mourinho joined. It was Ranieri who signed in Robben for 12m and if i remember rightly it was Ranieri who had earmarked Essien also.

Mourinho got very lucky, Ranieri had bought very well and had done all the ground work, he had also finished second the year before and got deep into the champs league.... Robben and Duff were sensational that first season they won it.

 

[Mors]

I've just had a chat with the Citeh 'fan' sitting next to me about this question. I asked him if he thought Hughes made ANY mistakes at all last season (bad team choice, bad subs, bad formations etc) and he claimed that Hughes had made ZERO mistakes what-so-ever last season and that he would be the man to lead them to glory long term in all competitions. (Ignoring the fact that even fantastic teams with fantastic managers can't win everything every year).

I asked him why they were shit away from home last season and he said that was 100% the players fault and Hughes could not be held responsible lol....................

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=35194.msg922990#msg922990 date=1250076059]
I've just had a chat with the Citeh 'fan' sitting next to me about this question. I asked him if he thought Hughes made ANY mistakes at all last season (bad team choice, bad subs, bad formations etc) and he claimed that Hughes had made ZERO mistakes what-so-ever last season and that he would be the man to lead them to glory long term in all competitions. (Ignoring the fact that even fantastic teams with fantastic managers can't win everything every year).

I asked him why they were shit away from home last season and he said that was 100% the players fault and Hughes could not be held responsible lol....................
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A fair number of City fans never accepted him due to his past with Utd in the first place and over the course of the season, all I really heard and saw was "HUGHES OUT!" on a daily basis.

 

[Squiggles]

He sounds very bias, but I think he's referring to Robinho strolling around away grounds, showing little interest in anything around him. That wasn't Hughes fault, that's Robinho just being a bit of a cunt.

 

[nornirongooner]

The big transfer fees have fooled people into thinking they are big players.

Tevez and Santa Cruz, for example, will be doing well to hit 20 goals between them this season. Adebayor could score 20 on his own...he could just as easily score 5 or 6.

Toure isn't the same player he used to be. Maybe thats because he was unhappy at Arsenal but whatever the reason, he needs a Sol Campbell to be playing beside him to get the best out of him. Toure needs a world class aggressive defender beside him. Richard Dunne, Micah Richards, Lescott, Upson, none of them fit the bill.

Barry and Ireland are two tidy footballers, but do either really match the quality of Fabregas, Lampard, Gerrard?? I dont think so.

For me, Robinho seems to be their ownly top drawer player along with, on his day, Adebayor

 

[Mors]

[quote author=nornirongooner link=topic=35194.msg922997#msg922997 date=1250076966]
The big transfer fees have fooled people into thinking they are big players.

Tevez and Santa Cruz, for example, will be doing well to hit 20 goals between them this season. Adebayor could score 20 on his own...he could just as easily score 5 or 6.

Toure isn't the same player he used to be. Maybe thats because he was unhappy at Arsenal but whatever the reason, he needs a Sol Campbell to be playing beside him to get the best out of him. Toure needs a world class aggressive defender beside him. Richard Dunne, Micah Richards, Lescott, Upson, none of them fit the bill.

Barry and Ireland are two tidy footballers, but do either really match the quality of Fabregas, Lampard, Gerrard?? I dont think so.

For me, Robinho seems to be their ownly top drawer player along with, on his day, Adebayor
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A good manager could get quite a lot out of that squad though on paper.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=nornirongooner link=topic=35194.msg922997#msg922997 date=1250076966]
The big transfer fees have fooled people into thinking they are big players.

Tevez and Santa Cruz, for example, will be doing well to hit 20 goals between them this season. Adebayor could score 20 on his own...he could just as easily score 5 or 6.

Toure isn't the same player he used to be. Maybe thats because he was unhappy at Arsenal but whatever the reason, he needs a Sol Campbell to be playing beside him to get the best out of him. Toure needs a world class aggressive defender beside him. Richard Dunne, Micah Richards, Lescott, Upson, none of them fit the bill.

Barry and Ireland are two tidy footballers, but do either really match the quality of Fabregas, Lampard, Gerrard?? I dont think so.

For me, Robinho seems to be their ownly top drawer player along with, on his day, Adebayor
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Aston Villa gave you lot a bit of a scare last season with a far inferior squad as did Everton to us the season before they really don't need a squad full of superstars to break into the top four - it's more or less been proven. And you are downplaying some of their players ability - Ireland was one of the leagues top performers last season and whilst Robinho is obviously the more talented player, he wasn't their best player. Tevez might not be a top draw goalscorer, he's still a very good striker. Etc. etc.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35194.msg922965#msg922965 date=1250072705]
Doesn't change what I said.

He's always been good at spotting good players - a young Zola & Mendieta, too - but he's won nothing of a note in 20 years of management, and gets sacked from every single job as a result.

Replacing him for Mourinho was, obviously, a fantastic move.
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I know, I was just giving him credit for adding two vital cogs in Mourinho's first season in charge. Ranieri did well at Chelsea to an extent, but as other have said he was never going to carry them much further.

 

[Squiggles]

Yeah that's spot on mate.

 

[singlerider]

Are they gonna persist with Kompany in midfield or will they move him back into defence?

Cos I seem to remember everyone jizzing their pants over him and touting him as a CB for us, but I've never really seen him. Is he any good or what?

 

[cochyn]

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=35194.msg922785#msg922785 date=1250030966]
After all the money they've spent, it seems from the various predictions going around that a lot of people still don't fancy them to finish in the top 4.

Why is that?

Signings not good enough? Hughes not good enough? Is it a castle in the sand? Or are people just counting on Man City to continue making a pig's ear of everything?

[/quote]

Man City will be successful it's just a matter of timescale due to the funding they have behind them. They are starting there upward rise from a position further back that what chelsea started at. Chelsea where at top 5ish level before they started spending!!! City will need a year or two to get to that level. They are probably at the level this year that ranieiri was in the start of his first year with a massive budget!! So season after this will be the time to look at them seriously as a top 4 candidates. The issue of mark hughes is difficult, the ends of the forthcoming season would be the time to judge him properly!!

 

[Squiggles]

Kompany's just a Football Manager player isn't he?

I've never been that impressed.

 

[singlerider]

Well, I dunno that's why I asked.

I never even signed him in Champ, so I don't even know that much

 

[keniget]

I think Kompany has been a good buy for them especially when you consider that he isn't the most natural of DM's and that he was often hung out to dry by tactics / team-mates around him. For 6M, I wouldn't have minded us taking him.

 

[rebel23]

it'll be interesting to see where City end up, considering they've spent something like £170m in the last 12 months i'd be disappointed not to be competing for the title.

fuck sake, just imagine our team if we had just half that spent on us, we'd be so awesome.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Fuck me they've spent more than double in 12 months than what Rafa has in 5 years.

 

[Y1]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35194.msg922981#msg922981 date=1250074336]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35194.msg922971#msg922971 date=1250073244]
Raineri spent Roman's millions and was expected to be successful. He did not win the trophies. That was the problem.
[/quote]

I think Ranieri would have won the league with Chelsea the season that Mourinho joined. It was Ranieri who signed in Robben for 12m and if i remember rightly it was Ranieri who had earmarked Essien also.

Mourinho got very lucky, Ranieri had bought very well and had done all the ground work, he had also finished second the year before and got deep into the champs league.... Robben and Duff were sensational that first season they won it.
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Managers who spend are expected to win immediately. He didnt. So out he went. If Mark H don't this year, he is gone.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35194.msg923075#msg923075 date=1250083901]
Fuck me they've spent more than double in 12 months than what Rafa has in 5 years.


[/quote]

I don't think that's true is it?

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=35194.msg923089#msg923089 date=1250085845]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35194.msg923075#msg923075 date=1250083901]
Fuck me they've spent more than double in 12 months than what Rafa has in 5 years.


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I don't think that's true is it?
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Nope.