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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43366.msg1241350#msg1241350 date=1293915081]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43366.msg1241344#msg1241344 date=1293914742]
Does anybody know anything about Ralf Rangnick ?
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Hoffenheim coach - just resigned but mainly down to the fact they've just sold a player without his consent.
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Ralf Rangnick

Making it look easy
January 14, 2009

German Bundesliga - ESPN Soccernet

By Uli Hesse-Lichtenberger
(Archive)

A week ago, there was an irate reader's letter in the Monday edition of Kicker magazine that scolded the publication for naming Franck Ribéry its Man of the Year. The logical choice, said the letter, would have been Ralf Rangnick.

Well, I concur with that.

GettyImagesRalf Rangnick has ruffled some feathers since guiding Hoffenheim to the top flight

In fact, when an Israeli magazine asked me in December to contribute three names to a list of potential Men of the Year from any sport, Rangnick's was among those I submitted. (The other two were Lewis Hamilton and Viswanathan Anand.)

My main reason for picking Rangnick was not so much the fact that Hoffenheim went into the winter break as shock table-toppers, I'd have nominated him even if his team had been in second place or in fifth. Rather, what I was looking for was a man who was indeed a man of the year - meaning the whole year, in contrast to somebody who achieved something great over a relatively short period of time during those twelve months.

Sure, you could say that Ribéry falls into this category as well. In the summer, he was named Germany's Footballer of the Year for his performance in the 2007-08 season, meaning he was also awesome during the first half of the past calendar year. And he then played another strong twelve weeks at the tail end of 2008. After all, he was undoubtedly instrumental in Bayern turning things around following their sub-par start to the current campaign.

Still, there were the disappointing European Championships, capped by that injury and the lengthy lay-off which followed. Rangnick's achievements, on the other hand, covered exactly the whole year.

On December 16, 2007, Hoffenheim were soundly defeated away at Greuther Fürth and ended their year in eighth place in the Second Bundesliga, a solid eight points (and twelve goals) behind a promotion spot. But as soon as football returned in 2008, Rangnick's team was virtually unbeatable.

Hoffenheim's combined record for league games in 2008, in the First and Second Bundesliga, reads: played 34, won 23, drawn 4, lost 7. Their goal tally for that period reads: scored 78, conceded 36. That's a stunning run, and despite all that talk about how cosy and quiet it is at Hoffenheim, it wasn't achieved under the easiest of circumstances.

If you (rightfully) presume Hoffenheim are widely reviled as both stinking rich upstarts and hicks from the sticks now that they are playing in the Bundesliga, think how much worse it was in the lower flight. In Augsburg, club patron Dietmar Hopp was abused so ruthlessly that he fled the stands and sought shelter in the VIP area.

Later, visiting Kaiserslautern fans tore down the protective net in front of their stand, including the poles that supported it, brandishing banners that read ''The mob hates Hopp''.

So it wasn't easy for Hoffenheim, but they made it look easy, which is always the hardest thing to do. And this, like so many aspects of the Hoffenheim phenomenon, is indeed mainly Rangnick's work. While the importance of the coach generally tends to be overrated, this is one case where the man at the sidelines has quite obviously made the main difference.

''Everything changed when Rangnick arrived,'' says midfielder Selim Teber, who joined Hoffenheim in January of 2006, six months before Rangnick did. ''That's when we became really successful.''

Rangnick's arrival for the 2006-07 season initially left many observers bewildered, since here was a coach who'd seen Champions League action with Schalke and who was now joining a team that had just come fourth in the third division.

''The main reason I made this choice were the working conditions,'' Rangnick says today. ''If the set- up at Hoffenheim had been the same as at so many other clubs, I wouldn't have considered the offer for a second.''

What he means by ''set-up'' were not so much the financial conditions, because there had also been money at Schalke. (While Rangnick was coach there, he bought Kevin Kuranyi for 7m Euros and lured Fabian Ernst away from Bremen.) Rather, he was given free rein and didn't have to answer to anyone, least of all Hopp.

One can understand why this prospect appealed to Rangnick, considering his time at Schalke was curtailed, despite decent results and support from both the fans and team manager Andreas Müller, because of a feud with powerful business manager Rudi Assauer.

Assauer seems to have instantly disliked Ralf Rangnick, famously referring to him as ''Rolf'' during the press conference when Rangnick was presented as new Schalke coach. Actually, I can understand why Assauer felt irritated because I can't say I'm too fond of Rangnick, as a person, myself.

He sometimes reminds me of Otto Rehhagel, in that there's a certain sophisticated gruffness about him and a touch of arrogance. But while Rehhagel's arrogance is grounded in the belief he's seen more and learned more than you did, Rangnick's arrogance is harder to stomach, particularly for an overachieving working-class man like Assauer, because he seems to believe he's smarter than you.

GettyImagesMan of the Year? Rangnick celebrates guiding Hoffenheim to promotion to the Bundesliga

Rangnick himself says this is just an image he acquired in late 1998, when he explained modern football tactics on a popular sports TV show. He was only 40 then and had never coached in the top flight and so his performance rubbed a few veterans the wrong way, particular since Rangnick's explanations of the pressing game or the flat-back four (then highly unusual in Germany) were taken to imply that most of his colleagues were teaching outdated methods.

Rangnick seems to feel he painted himself into corner he can't get out of with that performance, the more so since it also became known in the wake of this TV show that his players called him ''the Professor''. And indeed, many people appear to feel the same way about Rangnick that I do - just the other day, Bayern's Uli Hoeness called him a ''smart aleck''.

But I don't think that has anything to with 1998. It's just the way that Rangnick is, and I can't say I really mind. Despite daily evidence to the contrary, I don't think sport should be a popularity contest. As Dizzy Dean said, it ain't bragging if you can do it, and Rangnick has certainly done it, has proven that if you leave him alone he'll build a team that plays exceptionally well and has success.

Perhaps it's just that Rangnick is a trained school teacher. (My grandfather was one, so I know that a certain know-all manner comes with the territory.) Which, incidentally, is also the reason he never played professionally. He quit VfB Stuttgart's reserves when he was 22, studied sports and English and went to live in West Sussex for a year to improve his language skills.

''I knew that if I wanted to finish my studies and one day be able to read the 800 pages of Charles Dickens's Hard Times, I needed to have lived in England for a longer period of time,'' he said. Surely not a line that would've ever crossed the lips of Rudi Assauer.

Still, make no mistake, Rangnick is a football man. During his stay in England, he played for Southwick FC in the Sussex County League, division one. ''In my second game, away at Chichester, I broke three ribs and punctured my lung,'' he says. ''I spent three weeks in the hospital and was out for four months.'' So this guy can take some knocks. Such as being cold-shouldered by Kicker.
 
I saw the Rangnick rumours this afternoon on Twitter.

The questions is, is he hunky enough for Oncy?

rangnick_lacht_468x345.jpg
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=43366.msg1241391#msg1241391 date=1293918619]
I saw the Rangnick rumours this afternoon on Twitter.

The questions is, is he hunky enough for Oncy?

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[/quote]Hes wearing a track suit ffs.
These links to scruffy cunts are making me sick.
 
Rangnick is a moaning cunt. Referees, players, board members, you name it - he's never done a thing wrong in his life.

He's a shit-stirrer and causing trouble at every club he is - and eventually winning nothing.

We should stay well clear off this one.
 
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=43366.msg1241493#msg1241493 date=1293959223]
I voted for 'other'.

I think we should go for Jürgen Klopp.
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he has just signed a new contract and has Dortmund challengine for the title/Cl places. Broke on Twitter this morning he was approached by us in the last few weeks and he declined te approach. He's staying.
 
Grumbling on towards an inevitable conclusion - Soccer, Sport - Independent.ie

F ootball supporters turning on their club's manager is not new but for a manager to turn on his club's supporters is more unusual.

Roy Hodgson's dismal and utterly predictable time as Liverpool manager effectively came to an end last Wednesday night. Hodgson is just a patsy, one of the last remaining figures from the old regime. The hopes of the Fenway Sports Group that the club could stagger on until the summer vanished with that defeat to Wolves.

Hodgson's contribution after the game, when he criticised the lack of support he has received from the supporters, might have deflected from the defeat but not as he imagined. Once more, he demonstrated why Liverpool is not only too big a club, even in its dysfunction, for him to manage but also a club he doesn't understand.

The chant of 'Hodgson for England' was a hydra-headed beast. It was the first time Liverpool fans had chanted Hodgson's name and they were only doing it to discard him. In the process they were offering him to an entity they care nothing about: England.

Hodgson was the establishment's appointment. It played well among certain opinion-formers, opinion-formers who had been very impressed with Christian Purslow. Last Wednesday night, Liverpool fans demonstrated that these men know nothing about Liverpool Football Club and its otherness.

Those who felt it was significant that Liverpool appoint an English manager failed to grasp the qualities that make the club, in the eyes of its supporters at least, different. Hodgson was coming from middle England. He is a church warden, a desk sergeant, a man whose reasonableness is only matched by a sense of persecution that he has not been given a fair deal. In another life, you could see him complaining if the 7.47 from Clapham Junction was running late.

In this life, he has complained about everything: the players he has had to work with, the number of times Liverpool appear on television and the scrutiny of the media (no manager has had such powerful backing from press and television). His grumbling has confirmed that he cannot do the job. At times, he almost seems to think it himself. "I don't think they [the fans] got behind my appointment," he said on Friday, "and there's no reason why they should."

He was an appointment made in crisis. Hanging over the club in the summer was the ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett (Jose Mourinho let it be known that the ownership would have to change before he would consider the job) but while that ruled out top managers, it was not the conflict that led to Hodgson's appointment.

Christian Purslow fancied himself as a football man. He was considered a financial wizard. "He saw himself as the Fernando Torres of finance," said one who worked closely with him. Purslow would be vindicated on the financial front in one respect: he helped get Hicks and Gillett out of Liverpool.

His involvement in anything to do with the football side of Liverpool was another story. In the last unhappy year of Rafael Benitez's time as manager, Purslow was never slow to offer an opinion. He became a sounding board for influential players, who expressed their dissatisfaction. There was rarely a point during Benitez's time when players weren't dissatisfied -- that was part of his managerial style. Yet, on the field, until last season, results would often mask the dissatisfaction. Victory usually does.

In Benitez's last season, decay set it. The reasons for this would be disputed by all those involved but when Benitez was worn down by the endless feuds and his contribution to them, a different appointment had to be made.

Despite talking to other candidates, Purslow was always drawn to Hodgson. He offered reasonableness and an ability to talk intelligently about other subjects, to mention Philip Roth or John Updike, where Benitez would just want more.

After a manager who saw everything in terms of war, Liverpool wanted peace. It was an appalling reading of the situation. Liverpool imagined a more harmonious club with a manager who would offer hugs and kind words where Benitez would just seek endless, tiring improvement.

Well, the hugs don't work. Hodgson has been defensive, not open, and those who felt he would bring an improvement in Liverpool's style of play had really not paid attention during his career. He was always in an impossible position. A significant minority of supporters mourned Benitez and there is something of the post-Saipan atmosphere at Liverpool at the moment.

The fans who have turned on Hodgson are not, as some suggest, falling victim to modern life's impatience. If they were merely impatient, it would not explain why some remain loyal to Benitez. Sky can dismiss the idea of Benitez returning but they would be better asking why some supporters remain loyal to the former manager and never felt close to Hodgson, except to demonstrate some ex officio loyalty.

As in so many things, they misread the club when they say it is unlike Liverpool to turn on a manager. Liverpool has never appointed a manager like Hodgson before.

Before the game against Wolves, Hodgson once again defended himself and insisted he was the right man for the job. "I know that I am capable of doing this job, but maybe the expectations and ambitions of the club were too high and weren't lessened by the fact that I came off the back of such a good season." In other words, he could manage a club like Liverpool if it wasn't a club like Liverpool. If it was, say, Fulham. Other managers have battled with the expectation of Liverpool supporters but none has gone about setting the bar as low as Hodgson.

After a win against Aston Villa, Hodgson was asked by his friends at Sky, Andy Gray and Richard Keys, if this was title-winning form. The friends dissolved in laughter. The Fulham manager was laughing. Liverpool challenging for the title wasn't always as preposterous.

Nobody expected Liverpool to do that this season, but there has been a dismantling of expectation. That night, two friends and bullshitters met. Hodgson and Houllier. Houllier made his own disastrous misreading of Aston Villa supporters when he waved to the Liverpool fans but not his own at the end of the game. Last week, he backed Hodgson to get it right. It could have been the kiss of death. In fact, he might have kissed himself to death.

A few weeks ago, Hodgson spoke about how he had to overturn decisions made by Purslow about players the then managing director felt should leave the club.

It was another astonishing glimpse into the summer's chaos. Purslow, it turned out, was no judge of a player. He pursued Joe Cole for his signature when other voices who were then at the club described the player as "brainless".

Hodgson explained how he had kept some players Purslow didn't rate. A few pointed out that Purslow had appointed Hodgson too.

Those who defend Hodgson by saying he has not changed as a manager since last summer when he won the Manager of the Year award are getting close to the truth. Hodgson hasn't got any worse, he was never good enough in the first place.

On Wednesday, as he talked about a lack of respect to Wolves if people expect Liverpool to beat them easily and droned about the result not always matching the expectations of the supporters (his expectations were clearly different), he sounded again like a man drained of ambition.

He believed his achievements in the past year entitled him to the Liverpool job. He has the bureaucrat's mindset: he works slowly and methodically and eventually becomes an assistant secretary. "To some extent it was a reward for the work I had put in, not just at Fulham but in the years before. It was a recognition of my competence."

Hodgson used to compare his record to Alex Ferguson's if only people would take the Scandinavian leagues into account. "Those of us who work in the game and have been working in the game a long time know that the magic wand doesn't exist," he said last week.

Again it is a reasonable position but the managers who make a difference at Liverpool, Manchester United or Arsenal believe they can change everything. They believe in their own magic. Hodgson's strength is making mediocre teams slightly less mediocre and of never expecting too much.

The chants for Kenny Dalglish that were heard again on Wednesday do not necessarily mean that the fans see him as the saviour. This is not Newcastle, longing for the return of Kevin Keegan. Simply, Dalglish represents everything Hodgson is not and, in fairness, everything Hodgson could or would not hope to be.

Dalglish watched people die supporting his football club and then felt it was his duty to allow this tragedy to consume him. If he could be a temporary appointment, it would at least have the benefit of unifying the club. Dalglish, however, may no longer be interested in a caretaker position.

Liverpool will need to look for a man of ambition after that. Those who suggest the senior players at the club should be consulted are in danger of making the same mistakes again.

Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher felt they could work with Hodgson when their relationship with Benitez had broken down. One of the new manager's biggest tasks will be to confront the problem of Gerrard, who has lost his explosiveness, and gently ease Carragher, who is past it, out the door. Carragher signed a new contract on the last day of the old regime which was another curious decision in a summer when many were made.

Hodgson's appointment was the most calamitous of all. In six months, he has dragged Liverpool into a relegation battle and, in his own way, remodelled the club in his image.

If part of his job specification was to shatter the expectations at Liverpool Football Club, then he can walk away with his head held high.

- Dion Fanning

I agree with every line with the exception of carra being 'past it', he's in decline not over the hill.
 
so what happens when Kenny leads us up to fourth and gets us playing some class LFC footy in the process? do we still replace him with some new fella that we are only assuming is good?

Kenny gets the shot and lets see how he gets on..... he will not be worse that what we got....
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43366.msg1241525#msg1241525 date=1293969886]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43366.msg1241522#msg1241522 date=1293969229]
Classic Spidey .. haha
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???
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"he's in decline not over the hill"
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=43366.msg1241527#msg1241527 date=1293970019]
Dion Fanning is Ireland's version of Paul Tompkins
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to be fair to Tompkins at least he didn't need nepotism to get where he is.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=43366.msg1241520#msg1241520 date=1293969128]
so what happens when Kenny leads us up to fourth and gets us playing some class LFC footy in the process? do we still replace him with some new fella that we are only assuming is good?

Kenny gets the shot and lets see how he gets on..... he will not be worse that what we got....
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the way I see it is, the owners should be planning for a minimum of 3-5 years. these plans should also include fifa's plan to link spending to turnover.
the next managerial appointment should be someone who fits into that plan who will be backed to the best of their ability.

where does an interim manager figure in that? like you say, what happens if kenny comes in and pulls up trees? I can 100% see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger despite the clueless, hapless dodderer in charge.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43366.msg1241526#msg1241526 date=1293970002]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43366.msg1241525#msg1241525 date=1293969886]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43366.msg1241522#msg1241522 date=1293969229]
Classic Spidey .. haha
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???
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"he's in decline not over the hill"


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I see it as;

decline = not as good as he once was
over the hill = past it

maybe I should have just said that.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43366.msg1241535#msg1241535 date=1293970518]
You have to be over the hill to reach the decline on the other side.
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ok, fair enough. bottom line, I agree it's time to ease carra out but I don't agree carra is past it and needs pushing out the door. that's ultimately what I wanted to say.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43366.msg1241535#msg1241535 date=1293970518]
You have to be over the hill to reach the decline on the other side.
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but isn't there a hill somewhere up north where you roll "up" the hill in a kind of spooky way.... an optical illusion but..... maybe Carra is like that hill.

Maybe not like.

Just a thought.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43366.msg1241531#msg1241531 date=1293970174]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=43366.msg1241520#msg1241520 date=1293969128]
so what happens when Kenny leads us up to fourth and gets us playing some class LFC footy in the process? do we still replace him with some new fella that we are only assuming is good?

Kenny gets the shot and lets see how he gets on..... he will not be worse that what we got....
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the way I see it is, the owners should be planning for a minimum of 3-5 years. these plans should also include fifa's plan to link spending to turnover.
the next managerial appointment should be someone who fits into that plan who will be backed to the best of their ability.

where does an interim manager figure in that? like you say, what happens if kenny comes in and pulls up trees? I can 100% see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger despite the clueless, hapless dodderer in charge.
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You keep asking the same questions, neil, so here are the same answers. An interim manager (a) stops this season's decline and (b) gives the owners time to do a proper search. Kenny coming in and doing really well starts the new era with a bang, and in any case is no kind of reason for persisting with the inadequacy of the current management.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43366.msg1241545#msg1241545 date=1293971217]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43366.msg1241531#msg1241531 date=1293970174]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=43366.msg1241520#msg1241520 date=1293969128]
so what happens when Kenny leads us up to fourth and gets us playing some class LFC footy in the process? do we still replace him with some new fella that we are only assuming is good?

Kenny gets the shot and lets see how he gets on..... he will not be worse that what we got....
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the way I see it is, the owners should be planning for a minimum of 3-5 years. these plans should also include fifa's plan to link spending to turnover.
the next managerial appointment should be someone who fits into that plan who will be backed to the best of their ability.

where does an interim manager figure in that? like you say, what happens if kenny comes in and pulls up trees? I can 100% see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger despite the clueless, hapless dodderer in charge.
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True to form you keep repeating the same questions, so here are the same answers. An interim manager (a) stops this season's decline and (b) gives the owners time to do a proper search. Kenny coming in and doing really well starts the new era with a bang, and in any case is no kind of reason for persisting with the inadequacy of the current management.
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Im only repeating the questions Jules because i couldnt be arsed to read the thread....true to form.... I agree with you i don't think its a problem either, the owners should just put Hodgson out of his obvious misery and stick the King in charge, the press would have a field day and im sure Sky would be delighted poking at our wounds but at least we would be absolutely certain that the manager we have in place would truly understand what his position is and what it really fucking means.

In a way i think it would be just what we need, for all of our doubts about Kenny being away from the game etc.... i'm sure the players respect him and i doubt very much that his tactics could be any more outdated than the ones we are currently employing.

its win win.

it would make me smile anyway.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43366.msg1241545#msg1241545 date=1293971217]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43366.msg1241531#msg1241531 date=1293970174]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=43366.msg1241520#msg1241520 date=1293969128]
so what happens when Kenny leads us up to fourth and gets us playing some class LFC footy in the process? do we still replace him with some new fella that we are only assuming is good?

Kenny gets the shot and lets see how he gets on..... he will not be worse that what we got....
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the way I see it is, the owners should be planning for a minimum of 3-5 years. these plans should also include fifa's plan to link spending to turnover.
the next managerial appointment should be someone who fits into that plan who will be backed to the best of their ability.

where does an interim manager figure in that? like you say, what happens if kenny comes in and pulls up trees? I can 100% see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger despite the clueless, hapless dodderer in charge.
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You keep asking the same questions, neil, so here are the same answers. An interim manager (a) stops this season's decline and (b) gives the owners time to do a proper search. Kenny coming in and doing really well starts the new era with a bang, and in any case is no kind of reason for persisting with the inadequacy of the current management.
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I know the merits of a interim manager as much as anyone else but I am thinking about the new manager's first few months in office. he will have to implement his new ideas and tactics, he will have to access the squad. if struggles to do this quickly how are the crowd going to react especially if the interim manager was (relatively) successful?

I can't talk for anyone else but when I view a new manager, I take on board the manager's past and I take on board what the new manager is trying to attempt and implement.
my patience as a fan is based on that.

I viewed roy's past and what he was trying to achieve at liverpool and ultimately I decided that where roy was heading was not where I wanted the club to be. constrast with rafa, I saw what he did with valencia and even though he was struggling in the league, I could see what he was trying to achieve especially with the tactics he implemented and personnel he purchased. I was willing to be patient even had we not gone on that historic CL run.

that's my thinking as a fan, the long term. however many fans think in the short term (this is valid as well) they see the results and performances that is right in front of their face and make any decisions based on that.
if kenny were to come in and be successful and then moved aside for a young hungry manager who doesn't have a lot of trophies and that manager struggles at first then minds will turn back to kenny, it's human nature.

pressure is going to be placed on the new guy before he is even fully inside the door and if I were in charge I absolutely would not want that type of pressure placed on a young manager, the expectation of the club is going to be pressure enough. so again, I can absolutely see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger.
 
Good post neil, a fuller argument than I remember you putting forward before and I can now see why you take that view. I guess it comes down to what one considers the greater risk, and to my mind the risk of Roy compounding the damage he's already done - which, if it happens, could see us in the Championship yet - is the more serious. But fair enough, there is a case to answer in your post.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43366.msg1241566#msg1241566 date=1293973129]
Good post neil, a fuller argument than I remember you putting forward before and I can now see why you take that view. I guess it comes down to what one considers the greater risk, and to my mind the risk of Roy compounding the damage he's already done - which, if it happens, could see us in the Championship yet - is the more serious. But fair enough, there is a case to answer in your post.
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obviously if we get plunged into a relagation battle the owners will have to act but other than that I can't see the owners pulling the trigger. the PERFECT time for that was the wolves game yet roy is still employed.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43366.msg1241555#msg1241555 date=1293972345]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43366.msg1241545#msg1241545 date=1293971217]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43366.msg1241531#msg1241531 date=1293970174]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=43366.msg1241520#msg1241520 date=1293969128]
so what happens when Kenny leads us up to fourth and gets us playing some class LFC footy in the process? do we still replace him with some new fella that we are only assuming is good?

Kenny gets the shot and lets see how he gets on..... he will not be worse that what we got....
[/quote]

the way I see it is, the owners should be planning for a minimum of 3-5 years. these plans should also include fifa's plan to link spending to turnover.
the next managerial appointment should be someone who fits into that plan who will be backed to the best of their ability.

where does an interim manager figure in that? like you say, what happens if kenny comes in and pulls up trees? I can 100% see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger despite the clueless, hapless dodderer in charge.
[/quote]

You keep asking the same questions, neil, so here are the same answers. An interim manager (a) stops this season's decline and (b) gives the owners time to do a proper search. Kenny coming in and doing really well starts the new era with a bang, and in any case is no kind of reason for persisting with the inadequacy of the current management.
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I know the merits of a interim manager as much as anyone else but I am thinking about the new manager's first few months in office. he will have to implement his new ideas and tactics, he will have to access the squad. if struggles to do this quickly how are the crowd going to react especially if the interim manager was (relatively) successful?

I can't talk for anyone else but when I view a new manager, I take on board the manager's past and I take on board what the new manager is trying to attempt and implement.
my patience as a fan is based on that.

I viewed roy's past and what he was trying to achieve at liverpool and ultimately I decided that where roy was heading was not where I wanted the club to be. constrast with rafa, I saw what he did with valencia and even though he was struggling in the league, I could see what he was trying to achieve especially with the tactics he implemented and personnel he purchased. I was willing to be patient even had we not gone on that historic CL run.

that's my thinking as a fan, the long term. however many fans think in the short term (this is valid as well) they see the results and performances that is right in front of their face and make any decisions based on that.
if kenny were to come in and be successful and then moved aside for a young hungry manager who doesn't have a lot of trophies and that manager struggles at first then minds will turn back to kenny, it's human nature.

pressure is going to be placed on the new guy before he is even fully inside the door and if I were in charge I absolutely would not want that type of pressure placed on a young manager, the expectation of the club is going to be pressure enough. so again, I can absolutely see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger.


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So you're saying you want Hodgson to stay because he's so crap that the new guy is bound to seem good in comparison?
 
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so what happens when Kenny leads us up to fourth and gets us playing some class LFC footy in the process? do we still replace him with some new fella that we are only assuming is good?

Kenny gets the shot and lets see how he gets on..... he will not be worse that what we got....
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the way I see it is, the owners should be planning for a minimum of 3-5 years. these plans should also include fifa's plan to link spending to turnover.
the next managerial appointment should be someone who fits into that plan who will be backed to the best of their ability.

where does an interim manager figure in that? like you say, what happens if kenny comes in and pulls up trees? I can 100% see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger despite the clueless, hapless dodderer in charge.
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You keep asking the same questions, neil, so here are the same answers. An interim manager (a) stops this season's decline and (b) gives the owners time to do a proper search. Kenny coming in and doing really well starts the new era with a bang, and in any case is no kind of reason for persisting with the inadequacy of the current management.
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I know the merits of a interim manager as much as anyone else but I am thinking about the new manager's first few months in office. he will have to implement his new ideas and tactics, he will have to access the squad. if struggles to do this quickly how are the crowd going to react especially if the interim manager was (relatively) successful?

I can't talk for anyone else but when I view a new manager, I take on board the manager's past and I take on board what the new manager is trying to attempt and implement.
my patience as a fan is based on that.

I viewed roy's past and what he was trying to achieve at liverpool and ultimately I decided that where roy was heading was not where I wanted the club to be. constrast with rafa, I saw what he did with valencia and even though he was struggling in the league, I could see what he was trying to achieve especially with the tactics he implemented and personnel he purchased. I was willing to be patient even had we not gone on that historic CL run.

that's my thinking as a fan, the long term. however many fans think in the short term (this is valid as well) they see the results and performances that is right in front of their face and make any decisions based on that.
if kenny were to come in and be successful and then moved aside for a young hungry manager who doesn't have a lot of trophies and that manager struggles at first then minds will turn back to kenny, it's human nature.

pressure is going to be placed on the new guy before he is even fully inside the door and if I were in charge I absolutely would not want that type of pressure placed on a young manager, the expectation of the club is going to be pressure enough. so again, I can absolutely see why the owners are reluctent to pull the trigger.


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So you're saying you want Hodgson to stay because he's so crap that the new guy is bound to seem good in comparison?
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no, I'm saying get through the season and then new long term manager can come in with a clean slate without an interim manager to muddy the waters.
 
There are a shitload of ex Liverpool players with management exp who could caretaker.

Aldo for one.

Our last caretaker of sorts was Thommo when Ged had his heart attack, he did ok (very well actually), we could even give Rafa the job, I doubt there would be a clamour for him to be kept on.
 
BBC expert Tor-Kristian Karlsen tweeted the following info a few hours ago (read from bottom up):

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@MeMyLiverpool probably rangnick though klopp is the one en vouge right now. there's some good articles on both if you google
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@Rudgey1865 most inspired since wenger 😉
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@Alek_pl he definitely the kind of profile i'm led to believe fsg are looking for
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@DexDenny because he's available, free as a bird
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@mikebishop let's wait and see, nobody saw the shrewd comolli appointment coming!
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@Lindzell lucky you in that case, you'd be in for some amazing football at anfield!
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karlsentk Tor-Kristian Karlsen
ppl asking about dalglish: i have no clue whatsoever. but if liverpool are serious about rangnick there's no need to wait til end of season
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@Lindzell yes exactly, i'm just speculating here. don't know anything concrete about the mertesacker interest. maybe just a coincident
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per mertesacker's father was also a youth coach at hannover 96 during rangnick's time there, they're (still) very close friends...
4 hours ago

karlsentk Tor-Kristian Karlsen
the germany defender came through hannover 96's youth system when ralf rangnick was the club's head coach...
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karlsentk Tor-Kristian Karlsen
this might be a case of 2+2=5 but also interesting that several uk newspapers are linking per mertesacker to liverpool this morning...
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@karlsentk This is the year for German coaches! See No 5 in my Predictions piece for SI: http://bit.ly/h9HBHS
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@ccdaniels65 i'll get a crate of lovely german pilsner from his local brauhaus
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@lucidlingo sorry to disappoint you. the klopp news is more than speculation imo
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@kopiteclacky check out his track record at hoffenheim, build the club scratch. based mainly on young players. he's exactly that.
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should liverpool go for ralf rangnick it'd be one of the most inspired & interesting mangerial appointments ever in the premier league imo
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@RaviCNN he's used to work within the same structure in germany. if he's picked by comolli, i'm sure they'll hit it off
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ralf rangnick 'a german wenger' if you like. empire builder advocate of attacking football. fluent in english, even got a degree i believe
5 hours ago

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imo klopp is a non-starter (though excellent candidate), having just signed new contract and on route to leading bvb to title/cl qual
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i'm also led to believe that ralf rangnick (coincidentally or not, resigned from his position at hoffenheim) is a candidate for the job
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approach was apparently recent, during the past few weeks...
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karlsentk Tor-Kristian Karlsen
jürgen klopp apparently turned down the approach. i've no reason to doubt credibility of the info (though it'll be denied by both sides)
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have from very serious sources that borussia dortmund manager jürgen klopp (head coach) was approaced about the liverpool job
5 hours ago
 
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