When will Jurgen Flopp learn...

[Vlads Quiff]

You read Marks reply that was just as long and liked it so you are either a prick for reading it and pretending you didn't to serve your point or you are a prick for not reading it when you get called out on a bullshit point.

Wrong on both counts I'm just a prick - but importantly only when it comes to your Lucas wank-fest Dreamy. You and Lucas have a lot in common , you are both really nice genuine lads but you just don't know when to cut you losses and call it a day.
I read Marks because he has a sensible balanced view in fact probably the most balanced on here and he makes sense and always has done - yours I skirted because I knew it would be the same Lucas propaganda bollocks - I don't know if that makes you feel any better [emoji106]

 

[Rosco]

pp.

As you've correctly stated we crumble not because of Lucas but because we are set up to fail unless everyone of our front 6 play well and press well.

So when we keep a clean sheet, where should the credit go ?

 

[mark1975]

He's been a blind spot now for how many managers?

5?
Rafa, Hodgeson, Kenny, Rodgers, Klopp.

Lucas is by no means a great player but if every other player had his attitude and application we'd be in a much better place.

As you've correctly stated we crumble not because of Lucas but because we are set up to fail unless everyone of our front 6 play well and press well.

When they don't we go to shit, Lucas included but he's an easy target.

Matip was supposed to be the signing of the year 'the best since Hyppia', where the fuck was he?
Clyne, Milner, Lallana, Coutinho, Firminio? They were all utter shite, yet people still fixate on the player who actually you can understand getting roasted as he's slow a short fuck and was pitted against an opponent with lightening pace, with no defensive cover in front of behind and no pressure on the through ball.

A lot of issues are on Klopp and his approach including exlosing our CBs if you choose to pick that pair

Application? In what way? That he conducts himself well? If applying yourself well means that you give away soft freekicks, make stupid mistakes and are generally a renowned mediocre player (and too often a liability), then I think we need to redefine the definition of good application.

You've missed the point in the second half of your post, and it's all pretty familiar of the usual arguments his fans use. "5 managers have stuck by him" - so what? We're outside the top four, just like we have been in every other season when he's played regularly (he couldn't get a look in when we finished second). And for the record, four of those managers have been sacked. "Other players are shit too" - again, so what? We know where we are and it's because of inconsistent players, Lucas doesn't get a reprieve because other, more talented players, are inconsistent too.

Klopp fucked up and completely highlighted Lucas' flaws by pitting him against a quick attacker, but then he should have known that months ago, as most of the fan base did, when we were royally fucked on the counter by Southampton, Bournemouth and the mighty Wolverhampton fucking Wanderers.

 

[Raz]

Thank you for taking the time to do all that whatever it was Dreamy. Sorry I can only imagine what it said because I couldn't be arsed reading it I'm afraid , but someone else might.

If it wasn't excuses for Lucas I would probably read it too.

 

[Squiggles]

Lucas was embarrassing against Leicester. He's shit and I've wanted him gone for years. But he doesn't deserve the stick for the match.

Not even a pub-side manager would have played him against a fired-up Vardy. Not one person with an ounce of sense would go, yeah, that man, he's the the answer. Yet Klopp and his two brainbox assistants thought he was the best option. That's where the anger and disbelief should be focused. It was his most baffling decision since joining. Closely followed by not substituting him after 15 minutes where it was clear to everyone that the outcome would be a disaster.

 

[mark1975]

I don't know why Dreamy is getting so worked up about Lucas getting the brunt of the criticism, he represents everything that's depressing about the state of our club and team over the last several years. He's the one constant throughout, so of course he's one of the main focal points.

Though yeah, I agree, it was a monumental fuck up by Klopp.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Yes all these managers kept picking him, and look what fucking good it did them - They all failed