Whats a fair wage in football?
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What industry do you work in Semolina?
Philanthropy
And what have you achieved in your industry?
I once saved a Red Squirrel from certain death. Beat that smartypants
Don't be silly. That's fellatio
Well done you.
So this chap Fellatio is a stamp collector then?
Are they still stupid if you don't think about it.
Are we all literally thinking them stupid?
I don't know what any of that means count.
It could be I'm being stupid here. I'm just going check the back of my neck in case there's a slight mullet growing.
From Hill's £20-a-week to Ronaldo's £288k Madrid mega-deal... how footballers' wages have been steadily increasing
By SAM CUNNINGHAM
PUBLISHED: 12:26, 16 September 2013 | UPDATED: 13:03, 16 September 2013
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Cristiano Ronaldo's new salary of £288,000-a-week after tax is a new record. Sportsmail studies football history to see how wages have been sharply increasing through the years.
We're scratching our heads too, Cristiano: Ronaldo now takes home an eye-watering £288,000-per-week
When Johnny Haynes became the first footballer to earn £100-per-week in 1961 punters were outraged at the ridiculous wages.
Imagine what they'd make of Cristiano Ronaldo's new galactic salary of £288,000 after tax.
The abolition of footballer's £20-per-week salary cap in England on January 18, 1961, was a defining moment in the history of the game's global wage rises.
Jimmy Hill, Fulham, 1953: £20-a-week
Johnny Haynes, Fulham, 1961: £100-a-week
At the time there was disgust that footballers in this country could earn more than the miners slaving away at the coalface.
Yet in a PFA meeting to vote on strike action Bolton's representative Tommy Banks, who had been a miner, gave a speech in which he argued that although admired people in the mining community that didn't mean they could mark Stanley Matthews on a Saturday afternoon. The decision was unanimous and the cap was lifted.
Fulham's then chairman Tommy Trinder saw the publicity value of making his England midfielder the highest-paid player. Soon other clubs such as Manchester United and Liverpool, having initially decided to stick to strict wage caps, followed suit.
It came just in time with Italian clubs spotting the value in attracting star names and persuading the likes of Denis Law and Jimmy Greaves to leave England for bigger salaries. The competition forced clubs to offer higher and higher salaries to secure top players.
George Best, Manchester United, 1968: £1,000-a-week
Falcao, Roma, 1980: £10,000-a-week
George Best was the first to break four figures at Manchester United in 1968, but the Italians struck back. In 1980 the Brazilian Falcao became the first player on £10,000 per week when he joined Roma. Ten years later and Roberto Baggio became the first on £50,000 when he signed for Juventus from bitter rivals Fiorentina.
The Bosman ruling in 1995 then had a dramatic effect on wage increases. Power shifted from the clubs to players when it was decided in the European Court of Justice that players finishing their contract at a club were allowed to leave for free. Agents could now demand their clients received greater wages based on their new employers saving money on their transfer fee.
Roberto Baggio, Juventus, 1990: £50,000-a-week
Sol Campbell, Arsenal, 2001: £100,000-a-week
What happened next? Sol Campbell moved from Tottenham to north London rivals Arsenal for nothing and became the first player to earn £100,000.
It has continued to escalate from there, with other stars demanding wages matching their team-mates or counterparts at other clubs. Coupled with the money poured into the Premier League through TV rights, global sponsorship and merchandise sales; the spiralling season ticket costs and billionaire owners bankrolling their teams and with clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona having a limitless overdraft from Spanish banks.
Carlos Tevez, Manchester City, 2009: £200,000-a-week
Wayne Rooney, Manchester United, 2010: £250,000-a-week
There is something in joining a rival club – or at least threatening to. Following on from Baggio and Campbell, Carlos Tevez was the first to break £200,000 moving from Manchester United to City in 2009.
Wayne Rooney trumped him by threatening to move across the city, too, and was the first on £250,000. And now we have Ronaldo, but who knows where it will go from here.
Whatever would Haynes think?
Cristiano Ronaldo, Real Madrid, 2013: £288,000-a-week (after tax)
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By SAM CUNNINGHAM
PUBLISHED: 12:26, 16 September 2013 | UPDATED: 13:03, 16 September 2013
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Cristiano Ronaldo's new salary of £288,000-a-week after tax is a new record. Sportsmail studies football history to see how wages have been sharply increasing through the years.
We're scratching our heads too, Cristiano: Ronaldo now takes home an eye-watering £288,000-per-week
When Johnny Haynes became the first footballer to earn £100-per-week in 1961 punters were outraged at the ridiculous wages.
Imagine what they'd make of Cristiano Ronaldo's new galactic salary of £288,000 after tax.
The abolition of footballer's £20-per-week salary cap in England on January 18, 1961, was a defining moment in the history of the game's global wage rises.
Jimmy Hill, Fulham, 1953: £20-a-week
Johnny Haynes, Fulham, 1961: £100-a-week
At the time there was disgust that footballers in this country could earn more than the miners slaving away at the coalface.
Yet in a PFA meeting to vote on strike action Bolton's representative Tommy Banks, who had been a miner, gave a speech in which he argued that although admired people in the mining community that didn't mean they could mark Stanley Matthews on a Saturday afternoon. The decision was unanimous and the cap was lifted.
Fulham's then chairman Tommy Trinder saw the publicity value of making his England midfielder the highest-paid player. Soon other clubs such as Manchester United and Liverpool, having initially decided to stick to strict wage caps, followed suit.
It came just in time with Italian clubs spotting the value in attracting star names and persuading the likes of Denis Law and Jimmy Greaves to leave England for bigger salaries. The competition forced clubs to offer higher and higher salaries to secure top players.
George Best, Manchester United, 1968: £1,000-a-week
Falcao, Roma, 1980: £10,000-a-week
George Best was the first to break four figures at Manchester United in 1968, but the Italians struck back. In 1980 the Brazilian Falcao became the first player on £10,000 per week when he joined Roma. Ten years later and Roberto Baggio became the first on £50,000 when he signed for Juventus from bitter rivals Fiorentina.
The Bosman ruling in 1995 then had a dramatic effect on wage increases. Power shifted from the clubs to players when it was decided in the European Court of Justice that players finishing their contract at a club were allowed to leave for free. Agents could now demand their clients received greater wages based on their new employers saving money on their transfer fee.
Roberto Baggio, Juventus, 1990: £50,000-a-week
Sol Campbell, Arsenal, 2001: £100,000-a-week
What happened next? Sol Campbell moved from Tottenham to north London rivals Arsenal for nothing and became the first player to earn £100,000.
It has continued to escalate from there, with other stars demanding wages matching their team-mates or counterparts at other clubs. Coupled with the money poured into the Premier League through TV rights, global sponsorship and merchandise sales; the spiralling season ticket costs and billionaire owners bankrolling their teams and with clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona having a limitless overdraft from Spanish banks.
Carlos Tevez, Manchester City, 2009: £200,000-a-week
Wayne Rooney, Manchester United, 2010: £250,000-a-week
There is something in joining a rival club – or at least threatening to. Following on from Baggio and Campbell, Carlos Tevez was the first to break £200,000 moving from Manchester United to City in 2009.
Wayne Rooney trumped him by threatening to move across the city, too, and was the first on £250,000. And now we have Ronaldo, but who knows where it will go from here.
Whatever would Haynes think?
Cristiano Ronaldo, Real Madrid, 2013: £288,000-a-week (after tax)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-wages-steadily-increasing.html#ixzz2f3aMeCFh
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The Portuguese superstar is in advanced negotiations over a five-year contract that will be the most lucrative in the history of football
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By Ben Hayward & Alberto Pinero
Cristiano Ronaldo is close to agreeing a new contract with Real Madrid which will make him the world's highest-earning footballer, Goal can reveal.
Madrid are in advanced talks with Ronaldo's representatives over a deal totalling around €155 million over five years, with the Portuguese forward set to earn €15m annually after tax in what will be the most lucrative contract in the history of the game.
Ronaldo, who has scored 201 goals in just 199 games in his four seasons at the Santiago Bernabeu, raised alarm bells on Thursday when he posted a cryptic message on Twitter which read simply: "All the news about my renewal with Real Madrid are false." Days earlier, however, he revealed his intention to remain at the Spanish side beyond his current contract, which expires in 2015.
After Portugal's 1-0 win over Russia in a World Cup qualifier last week, Ronaldo said: "I haven't spoken to anyone yet, [but] I know we will reach an agreement on a new contract. The most important thing now is the national team." And he also claimed his future has nothing to do with the departure of coach Jose Mourinho. "I am not worried by what Mourinho does; I am concerned with Real Madrid and my future," he said in May. The pair's relationship, once excellent, deteriorated in recent months following an angry dispute over a tactical correction made by Mourinho in a game against Valencia in January.
UNITED'S INTEREST VERY REAL
Though it never reached the stage of tabling an official offer, Manchester United’s dream of persuading Ronaldo to return to Old Trafford was and remains a genuine one.
A public and private charm offensive kicked off in earnest around the time the Premier League champions drew the Spanish giants in the Champions League last December and reached a crescendo when the prolific Portuguese arrived back on his former stomping ground in March and duly scored the decisive goal in the tie.
The reception he was afforded that night struck a chord with the player who had felt unloved and unappreciated in the Spanish capital. That he spent time after the match catching up with his former team-mates and speaking so positively of his former employers, to the extent that he appeared to be leaving the door open for a return, gave United’s hierarchy belief they were capable of pulling off an astonishing coup.
In truth, however, the stratospheric sums involved were always likely to prove the most significant barrier, alongside Madrid’s reluctance to sell, to a deal being stuck.
James Goldman, Goal UK
Ronaldo's posture has changed after his well-documented 'sadness' at the beginning of last season, when he was frustrated at what he perceived to be a lack of public support from the club in the race for the Ballon d'Or, a fall-out with team-mate Marcelo and the club's apparent unwillingness to discuss a new deal.
Madrid signed Ronaldo from Manchester United in a world-record €94 million deal back in the summer of 2009, following Florentino Perez's return to the presidency at the capital club. He currently earns around €10m annually after tax.
When Ronaldo arrived, however, the so-called 'Beckham Law', which allowed foreigners who had lived in Spain for less than 10 years and who earned above €120,000 per annum to pay a lower tax rate of around 23 per cent and not the usual 45%, was still in force. David Beckham was one of the first to take advantage of the law after his move from Manchester United in 2003.
However, the Spanish government has since scrapped that initiative and a new deal would see Ronaldo required to pay 52% of his salary to the taxman. Hence, Madrid will be faced with an annual outlay close to €31m in order to pay the Portuguese the net €15m he has asked for.
Madrid, however, are aware of the importance of keeping Cristiano. The capital club missed out on Neymar recently, while they look to be frustrated in their pursuit of Dortmund duo Ilkay Gundogan and Robert Lewandowski. Other previous transfer targets, such as Sergio Aguero and Radamel Falcao, will not be arriving either, while Gareth Bale is expensive and unwilling to force a move and Edinson Cavani is considered overpriced by the Madrid board. Ronaldo's renewal, therefore, assumes even greater importance.
President Perez has already revealed Real's intention to make the Portuguese the cornerstone of the club's next sporting project. "I want to build Real Madrid around Cristiano Ronaldo," he said late last month. "And I want Cristiano to be the best-paid player in the world."
Madrid are ready to meet Ronaldo's wage demands and make the Portuguese a higher earner than Lionel Messi, who takes home around €13m before bonuses at Barcelona, and Falcao, who will bring in €14m annually at Monaco. Samuel Eto'o earns €20m per year at Anzhi Makhachkala, although the Cameroonian is on just a three-year deal and his total package will be surpassed by Ronaldo's Real contract.
The one sticking point currently is the player's image rights. Cristiano currently has a 60 per cent share (of which he pays a third to Jorge Mendes' company Gestifute), while the club keep 40%. The Portuguese is keen to improve that ratio and his recent tweet, as well as news stories leaked to press over a stalemate in negotiations, are thought to be two tactics used in conjunction with Mendes in order to apply pressure on the club. However, both parties are confident an agreement will be reached in the coming weeks.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spai...ffer-world-record-155m-deal-to-keep-cristiano
Why?
Because I'm of the opinion it's a scandalous amount of money. That ok?
If you like. Makes you sick rather than making me sick though.
On a sidenote:
[article=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2437604/West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-850-week-interests-Arsenal-Everton.html#ixzz2gNwUL6Ry ]Wayne Rooney, the star man at Manchester United who Saido Berahino helped to defeat on Saturday, earns £250,000 a week.
That means the £850-a-week West Brom striker, who has this season scored five goals in six games, would take five years and 241 days to earn what Rooney, who has five in eight, does in a week.
Rooney, incidentally, needs less than 30 hours to earn Berahino's yearly salary.[/article]
[article=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2437604/West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-850-week-interests-Arsenal-Everton.html#ixzz2gNwUL6Ry ]Wayne Rooney, the star man at Manchester United who Saido Berahino helped to defeat on Saturday, earns £250,000 a week.
That means the £850-a-week West Brom striker, who has this season scored five goals in six games, would take five years and 241 days to earn what Rooney, who has five in eight, does in a week.
Rooney, incidentally, needs less than 30 hours to earn Berahino's yearly salary.[/article]
850 a week in the prem. We have youth players on 4 to 5 times that.
[article=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2458151/Andros-Townsend-agrees-new-Tottenham-contract.html#ixzz2hhtR1C00 ]Tottenham have agreed a new bumper pay deal with man of the moment Andros Townsend — just two years after they were ready to sell him to Millwall for just £500,000.
The 22-year-old, who scored a brilliant international debut goal in England’s 4-1 win over Montenegro, currently earns £6,000 a week at White Hart Lane.
But Spurs and Townsend have shaken hands on an improved deal worth £15,000 a week. There will be scope for additional pay hikes in the future should Townsend continue to impress.
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The 22-year-old, who scored a brilliant international debut goal in England’s 4-1 win over Montenegro, currently earns £6,000 a week at White Hart Lane.
But Spurs and Townsend have shaken hands on an improved deal worth £15,000 a week. There will be scope for additional pay hikes in the future should Townsend continue to impress.
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5 November 2013Last updated at14:34
Saido Berahino: England hopeful earning less than a kit man
By Ben SmithBBC Sport
It would take Saido Berahino five years to earn what Manchester City midfielder Yaya Toure takes home in a week. Five years.
That the West Brom striker is still among the worst-paid players in the top flight is, in itself, a reflection of just how quickly his life has changed.
A few short months ago, he was a promising talent few outside the West Midlands had really heard of. He didn't have an agent and had been loaned out to Northampton Town, Brentford and Peterborough United. He was one for the future.
Asylum seeker to rising star
Berahino arrived in the UK from war-torn Burundi as a 10-year-old with his mother and siblings and the family were granted political asylum
Today, the 20-year-old is considered one of the game's rising stars, an explosive attacker whose surge to prominence has taken him to the brink of the England squad.
He scored the winner at Old Trafford and found the net against Arsenal after becoming the first West Brom player in 20 years to score a hat-trick on his full debut. Ten goals in seven starts this season for the Baggies and England Under-21s, and all on £850 per week. That's less than some Premier League kit men earn.
Money is not important to the boy from Burundi. Berahino grew up surrounded by poverty. As a child, he made his own footballs from plastic bags and shoelaces. He played in the streets.
The thought of being paid to play football was beyond his dreams and he is grateful to have been given a second chance at life after fleeing with his mother Liliane as a brutal civil war tore his troubled homeland apart and claimed the life of his father.
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“We're in negotiations [over a new contract]. If I was the club I would get it done as soon as possible”
Steve ClarkeWest Brom managerWhen the time comes, he will be paid what his performances deserve. That time is now.
West Brom are, unsurprisingly, working on a new deal. Manager Steve Clarke has urged the club to move swiftly to secure Berahino's long-term future, with his contract set to expire next summer. "We are in negotiations with Saido's representatives and if I was the club, I would get it done as soon as possible," he said.
"He has had a good season, and long may it continue."
Clarke is, however, wary of placing too much expectation on the shoulders of the young forward.
"All I would say is that he is a young boy that, a few weeks ago, nobody was talking about," the Baggies boss said. "You have to keep the level of expectation down. In this country we are too quick to push people forward as the next big thing. For Saido, the most important thing is that he continues to develop as a player.
"People are trying to push him too far too quickly. Give the boy time to grow and develop."
With the likes of Arsenal, Everton and Monaco monitoring the situation, time is of the essence. West Brom have made an initial offer of around £10,000 per week. But if Roy Hodgson does hand him a call-up to the England squad for the friendlies against Chile and Germany, the club may find themselves needing to up that significantly.
Last Saturday, Berahino delivered the England manager a timely reminder of his talent 13 minutes after coming off the bench to replace the injured Billy Jones. The finish to help see off Crystal Palace, as against Manchester United and Arsenal, was cold-eyed and clinical.
The striker may be developing quickly under Clarke but his feet remain firmly on the ground. After his matches, he goes back to his mother's house to talk over his performance, the good and the bad. She is an Arsenal fan, her son has a soft spot for Manchester United.
Those allegiances go back to their life in Bujumbura, the capital of Burundi - one of the world's poorest countries. There was violence and disease. The civil war forced them to flee for England in 2003, six years after his dad died in the troubles.
Berahino's first Premier League goal came against Manchester United at Old Trafford
The circumstances around his father's death remain a mystery. Even at the age of 20, Berahino dare not ask how or why he died. And yet, his father remains the inspiration for his success as a footballer. He does it all to make his late father proud, with his mother as his guide.
When he arrived in England as a 10-year-old, football was the vehicle that allowed him to be accepted at Aston Tower Primary School. A year later he was picked up by the West Brom academy and now he is dreaming of making a late charge into the England World Cup squad.
Whispers suggest Berahino is in Hodgson's thoughts already and could be called up in the week ahead.
That would mark the high point of a career that has the potential to take the youngster anywhere. Berahino has come so far, but there is a sense he still has much further to go.
I used to berate the Mrs for contributing to cunts by buying magazines with the likes of the Kardashians in. It just perpetuates the cash cow doesn't it?
Realistically, football is no different. Ronaldo's good at footy and people want to watch him, Kim Kardashian's good at having a bum like a donkey and people want to see it. Doesn't mean that much in the long run does it? It's all flannel to fill a gap.
For the record, I'd rather eat Kim's bum than Ronaldo's footy so pay her more.
Realistically, football is no different. Ronaldo's good at footy and people want to watch him, Kim Kardashian's good at having a bum like a donkey and people want to see it. Doesn't mean that much in the long run does it? It's all flannel to fill a gap.
For the record, I'd rather eat Kim's bum than Ronaldo's footy so pay her more.
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