Gareth Bale is reportedly making 300k a week, I'm sure there are 1st team footballers in the Prem league making £3k a week (others on 220k a week), but with salaries accounting for 70-80% of turnover cost, should there be caps in place?
Whats a fair wage in football?
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[article]The 20 chairmen of the Premier League clubs will meet to decide on their own proposals for financial fair play.
The details of the proposals for the meeting are still up for negotiation, but could include one similar to Uefa’s break-even rules, and one focused on putting a cap on how much club wage bills can increase each year, although it is not known whether the cap will be by a percentage or by an absolute sum of money.
Uefa has already introduced its own financial fair play regulations, which allow for losses of up to €45m (£39m), as long as they are covered by a benefactor, over the first two-year period of the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons, and subsequent three-year periods. Investment in infrastructure, youth and community do not count towards the loss.
There is an attempt, now, to introduce similar plans in the Premier League. There had been an initial proposal last month, from Arsenal, Manchester United, Tottenham Hotspur and Liverpool – the most enthusiastic clubs about fair play rules – to adopt the Uefa plans as the Premier League’s own.
The first proposal in front of the clubs today could be similar to the Uefa plan, with a restriction on the amount of money that clubs can lose over specified periods of time, as long as the losses are covered by equity investment from an owner.
Naturally, clubs with benefactor owners such as Manchester City and Fulham are less enthusiastic about these proposals than the others, while Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion and Swansea City are also thought to be fairly sceptical.
The second plan could be a restriction on year-on-year increases in club wage bills. While the Uefa?based model would take effect only after a few years, this soft wage cap would immediately slow down spending increases.
With new TV deals starting from next season, which should bring in more than £5.5bn from domestic and foreign markets, there is understandable concern from some clubs for the increased revenues not to go straight to the usual sources and for that new money to be protected.
The plans are not mutually exclusive and could theoretically both be passed. The Premier League constitution demands 14 of the 20 votes to pass a motion. If enough sceptics can be persuaded, the financial landscape of English football could change.[/article]
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-seek-solution-to-financial-mess-8484103.html
The details of the proposals for the meeting are still up for negotiation, but could include one similar to Uefa’s break-even rules, and one focused on putting a cap on how much club wage bills can increase each year, although it is not known whether the cap will be by a percentage or by an absolute sum of money.
Uefa has already introduced its own financial fair play regulations, which allow for losses of up to €45m (£39m), as long as they are covered by a benefactor, over the first two-year period of the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons, and subsequent three-year periods. Investment in infrastructure, youth and community do not count towards the loss.
There is an attempt, now, to introduce similar plans in the Premier League. There had been an initial proposal last month, from Arsenal, Manchester United, Tottenham Hotspur and Liverpool – the most enthusiastic clubs about fair play rules – to adopt the Uefa plans as the Premier League’s own.
The first proposal in front of the clubs today could be similar to the Uefa plan, with a restriction on the amount of money that clubs can lose over specified periods of time, as long as the losses are covered by equity investment from an owner.
Naturally, clubs with benefactor owners such as Manchester City and Fulham are less enthusiastic about these proposals than the others, while Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion and Swansea City are also thought to be fairly sceptical.
The second plan could be a restriction on year-on-year increases in club wage bills. While the Uefa?based model would take effect only after a few years, this soft wage cap would immediately slow down spending increases.
With new TV deals starting from next season, which should bring in more than £5.5bn from domestic and foreign markets, there is understandable concern from some clubs for the increased revenues not to go straight to the usual sources and for that new money to be protected.
The plans are not mutually exclusive and could theoretically both be passed. The Premier League constitution demands 14 of the 20 votes to pass a motion. If enough sceptics can be persuaded, the financial landscape of English football could change.[/article]
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-seek-solution-to-financial-mess-8484103.html
I wonder if eventually there will be a salary cap as there is in the NFL or NBA (with luxury taxes if they go over).
[article]National Football League[edit source | editbeta]
The new collective bargaining agreement formulated in 2011 had an initial salary cap of $120 million. While the previous CBA had a salary floor, the new CBA did not have one until 2013. Starting with that season, each team is required to spend a minimum of 88.8% of the cap in cash on player compensation,[9] and 90% in future years. However, the floor is based on total cash spent over each of two four-year periods, the first running from 2013–2016 and the second from 2017–2020. A team can be under the floor in one or more seasons in a cycle without violating the CBA, as long as its total spending during the four-year period reaches the required percentage of the cap.[9]
The NFL's cap is a hard cap that the teams have to stay under at all times, and the salary floor is also a hard floor; penalties for violating or circumventing the cap and floor regulations include fines of up to $5 million for each violation, cancellation of contracts and/or loss of draft picks.
The cap was first introduced for the 1994 season and was initially $34.6 million. Both the cap and the floor are adjusted annually based on the league's revenues, and they have increased each year. In 2009, the final capped year under that agreement, the cap was $128 million per team, while the floor was 87.6% of the cap. Using the formula provided in the league's collective bargaining agreement, the floor in 2009 was $112.1 million. Under the NFL's agreement with the NFLPA, the effect on the salary cap of guaranteed payments (such as signing bonuses) are, with a few rare exceptions, prorated evenly over the term of the contract.
In transitions, if a player retires, is traded, or is cut before June 1, all remaining bonus is applied to the salary cap for the current season. If the payroll change occurs after June 1, the current season's bonus proration is unchanged, and the next year's cap must absorb the entire remaining bonus.
Because of this setup, NFL contracts almost always include the right to cut a player before the beginning of a season. If a player is cut, his salary for the remainder of his contract is neither paid nor counted against the salary cap for that team. A highly sought-after player signing a long term contract will usually receive a signing bonus, thus providing him with financial security even if he is cut before the end of his contract.
Incentive bonuses require a team to pay a player additional money if he achieves a certain goal. For the purposes of the salary cap, bonuses are classified as either "likely to be earned", which requires the amount of the bonus to count against the team's salary cap, or "not likely to be earned", which is not counted. A team's salary cap is adjusted downward for NLTBE bonuses that were earned in the previous year but not counted against that year's cap. It is adjusted upward for LTBE bonuses that were not earned in the previous year but were counted against that year's cap.
One effect of the salary cap was the release of many higher-salaried veteran players to other teams once their production started to decline from the elite level. On the other hand, many teams have made a practice of using free agents to restock with better personnel more suited to the team. The salary cap prevented teams with superior finances from engaging in the formerly widespread practice of stocking as much talent on the roster as possible by placing younger players on reserve lists with false injuries while they develop into NFL-capable players. In this respect, the cap functions as a supplement to the 55-man roster limit and practice squad limits.
Generally, the practice of retaining veteran players who had contributed to the team in the past, but whose abilities have declined, became less common in the era of the salary cap.[10] A veteran's minimum salary was required to be higher than a player with lesser experience. This means teams tended to favor cheaper, less experienced prospects with growth potential, with an aim to having a group of players who quickly develop into their prime while still being on cheaper contracts than their peers. To offset this tendency which pushed out veteran players, including those who became fan favorites, the players' association accepted an arrangement where a veteran player who receives no bonuses in his contract may be paid the veteran minimum of up to $810,000, while only accounting for only $425,000 in salary-cap space (a 47.5% discount).
The salary cap also served to limit the rate of increase of the cost of operating a team. This has accrued to the owners' benefit, and while the initial cap of $34.6 million has increased to $123 million (maximum in 2009), this is due to large growths of revenue, including merchandising revenues and web enterprises which ownership is sharing with players as well.
The owners opted out of the CBA in 2008, leading to an uncapped season in 2010.[11] During the season, most NFL teams spent as if there was a cap in place anyway, with the league warning against teams front-loading contracts during the season. The Dallas Cowboys, New Orleans Saints, Oakland Raiders, and Washington Redskins all ignored the warning, and in 2012 the Cowboys and Redskins (the top two NFL teams by revenue in 2011)[12] were docked $10 million and $36 million respectively from their salary caps, to be spread over the next two seasons. This $46 million would subsequently be divided up among the remaining 26 NFL teams ($1.77 million each) as added cap space (this excludes the Raiders and Saints, the latter of which was also dealing with their ongoing bounty scandal, as both teams were over the cap, though to a lesser degree than the Cowboys and Redskins).[13]
Year Maximum Team Salary
2013 $123 million[14]
2012 $120.6 million
2011 $120 million
2010 Uncapped
2009 $123 million
2008 $116 million
2007 $109 million
2006 $102 million
2005 $85.5 million
2004 $80.582 million
2003 $75.007 million
2002 $71.101 million
2001 $67.405 million
2000 $62.172 million
1999 $57.288 million
1998 $52.388 million
1997 $41.454 million
1996 $40.753 million
1995 $37.1 million
1994 $34.608 million
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap
European sports is capitalistic where as American sports is very socialistic (also very protective). The irony!
I think all clubs agreeing a cap on a fee paid to agents would help keep money in the club's pockets.
I heard the figure paid in commission to agents was in the hundreds of millions this window. Money gone from the game and lining the pockets of parasites like Joorabchian.
Yep. Hence why a cap on the fees is needed. It'd drive prices down naturally & keep the money with clubs.
An incentive of some kind to buy from lower leagues & get some kind of further benefits when they play them would be good too, dunno exactly how that'd work though.
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I have no idea to the accuracy of these findings
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I said 'smart' not 'on the cheap'.
I believe the scum have on occasion done the same thing but not been knobbled.
Wayne Rooney has clearly done v.well 4 him self almost earning 300k a week. Each year he throws up a stink and is rewarded with an improved contract. Suarez's behaviour falls into pale insignificance compared to Rooney.
150k a week is plenty enough if you ask me. Even 100k a week..... If we carry on the way we are then a player will be earning a Million a week by 2020 I bet.
Under 21 basic salary of no more than 20K a week plus bonuses for appearances, clean sheets, goals, assists etc.
Over 21 but under 26 basic salary of no more than 35K a week plus bonuses for appearances, clean sheets, goals, assists etc
over 26 but under 30 basic salary of no more than 50K a week plus bonuses for appearances, clean sheets, goals, assists etc
over 30 basic salary of no more than 35K a week plus bonuses for appearances, clean sheets, goals, assists etc
So assuming a player players from 20-32 they will earn, just in basic salaries of 26,000,000 which is more than enough to get them through their lives in any fashion they require.
Simple
Over 21 but under 26 basic salary of no more than 35K a week plus bonuses for appearances, clean sheets, goals, assists etc
over 26 but under 30 basic salary of no more than 50K a week plus bonuses for appearances, clean sheets, goals, assists etc
over 30 basic salary of no more than 35K a week plus bonuses for appearances, clean sheets, goals, assists etc
So assuming a player players from 20-32 they will earn, just in basic salaries of 26,000,000 which is more than enough to get them through their lives in any fashion they require.
Simple
I'm assuming you mean 26K? You cap wages then clubs and players will find a way round it, what you'll see is a signing on bonus increasing.
If FFP was properly enforced then we'd not see wages like we do.
[article]At first, and maybe second, glance it would appear that a world record-busting move by Real Madrid for Gareth Bale is not exactly in line with the pledge by the Uefa president, Michel Platini, to put the brakes on the game's overheating finances.
Arsène Wenger, who has long made his distaste for spiralling wages and transfer fees plain, said it was "a joke" that Madrid would spend so much in the same season that FFP was introduced.
But a combination of the series of concessions negotiated by the biggest clubs through the European Club Association to Uefa's Financial Fair Play rules and Real Madrid's huge revenue‑generating potential mean the two things are not quite as contradictory as they might appear.
Much to the chagrin of its critics, who fear it will "lock in" the established order, the FFP break-even rules favour the biggest earning clubs. And of those, Real Madrid have consistently been the biggest for the past eight years.
The latest Deloitte Money League report calculated they had become the first to break the €500m annual revenue barrier, with their total of €512.6m an increase of 11% on last year. The Spanish TV rights model, with Real Madrid and Barcelona keeping the lion's share, in contrast to the more equitable division in England, and a concerted drive to exploit the brand abroad helped.
Since those figures were compiled, Real have signed a new, 30% more lucrative shirt sponsorship deal and started work on a stadium redevelopment scheme. As far as the FFP calculations are concerned, total transfer outlay is less important than you might think. Transfer fees can be amortised over the length of a player's contract, making wages the more important factor and perhaps explaining Real's keenness to move players on as well as bring them in. Gonzalo Higuain has gone to Napoli for £32m and various names have been mooted as potential part-exchange makeweights for Tottenham's Bale.
Real are well known for being keen to pay their transfer fees in instalments – hence why Tottenham are still owed money for Luka Modric and while Real's debt is often quoted as €590m and they remain under investigation by the European Commission over a land deal with the city council, that figure measures their entire liabilities.
Under the accounting measures employed by English clubs, the blogger Swiss Ramble worked out last year the figure would be €146m – less than Arsenal or Manchester United.
Under the FFP rules, clubs are allowed €45m leeway over the first two seasons and can also disregard deals signed before the rules were announced. Even if they fall foul, if they can show a positive "direction of travel" it will act as mitigation.
All of which means that Madrid, with their huge earning power, are a less startling example of football's refusal to bend to Platini's will than Manchester City, Paris St-Germain and Monaco.[/article]
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/03/real-madrid-uefa-financial-fair-play
Article dated 6 Sep 2013.
That's about €16.7k/wk he's on at the moment. According to the report, Juve's offer is €31.25k/wk whereas his agent is asking for around €80k/wk.
[article=http://www.football-italia.net/39212/pogba-wants-wages-quadrupled]According to Sport Mediaset, Paul Pogba’s agent has asked Juventus to quadruple his wages.
The 20-year-old midfielder arrived a year ago on a free transfer from Manchester United and has quickly become a mainstay in the squad.
However, he still earns only a reported €0.8m per season and a new contract is going to be thrashed out.
Sport Mediaset claim Pogba’s agent Mino Raiola has demanded wages of €4m per season, whereas the offer from Juventus is closer to €1.5m.
The France international has become hot property on the transfer market after Juve turned down a £20m bid from Arsenal this summer.[/article]
That's about €16.7k/wk he's on at the moment. According to the report, Juve's offer is €31.25k/wk whereas his agent is asking for around €80k/wk.
[article=http://www.football-italia.net/39212/pogba-wants-wages-quadrupled]According to Sport Mediaset, Paul Pogba’s agent has asked Juventus to quadruple his wages.
The 20-year-old midfielder arrived a year ago on a free transfer from Manchester United and has quickly become a mainstay in the squad.
However, he still earns only a reported €0.8m per season and a new contract is going to be thrashed out.
Sport Mediaset claim Pogba’s agent Mino Raiola has demanded wages of €4m per season, whereas the offer from Juventus is closer to €1.5m.
The France international has become hot property on the transfer market after Juve turned down a £20m bid from Arsenal this summer.[/article]
At the height of my playing prowess (about 2 or 3 years ago, and not very high before you ask) I earned this:
$700 per week (which is about 500 quid), $500 for a draw, $400 for a loss. Irrespective of if I played or sat on the bench.
If you're injured, you get a flat $400 a week until you're back in the side.
$150 goal bonus (bout 100 quid)
And then there were a host of team bonuses that all got clubbed togethor for the end of season trip, including:
Clean sheet bonus
Team win bonuses
Final ladder position
Cup competition bonuses that increased the further you got
And about $10K if we won the league or a cup.
I was taking home on average about 600 pounds per week when you added it all up. I had to train 3 night a week (missing a session was a serious no-no), 1 game a week, attend every club function that was put on anywhere (usually about 1 a fortnight) and had to stay for 1.5 hours after the game to meet supporters and listen to them moan about what I should or shouldn't have done. All of this, along with the fines/player rules (of which there were fucking plenty I can tell you), was written into my contract.
All cash, all paid in your hand every Thursday night after training.
It was completely obscene. On a good day we'd have got 2k supporters, on average about 1,000 - hardly the fucking Maracana was it? God knows where the money came from, nobody really asked.
The only tough part was pre-season which you didn't get paid for. And that's 4 months of 4/5 nights a week of running through hell. Still, was worth it given the upside.
On top of all that, I had a full-time job earning whatever. As did 90% of the players in the side. Some of the younger kids didn't bother working and just sat around playing XBox all day until training started at 6pm.
And that's me, at a fairly shite level, earning that. I was fairly average too, the better players in the side would have been earning $1500 a week, and God-knows what bonuses on top. If you wanted to attract an ex A-League player or someone who'd played in England you ahd to be prepared to offer them over $2K a week and then expect them to turn up once a week for training.
The money in football at all levels is completely ridiculous.
$700 per week (which is about 500 quid), $500 for a draw, $400 for a loss. Irrespective of if I played or sat on the bench.
If you're injured, you get a flat $400 a week until you're back in the side.
$150 goal bonus (bout 100 quid)
And then there were a host of team bonuses that all got clubbed togethor for the end of season trip, including:
Clean sheet bonus
Team win bonuses
Final ladder position
Cup competition bonuses that increased the further you got
And about $10K if we won the league or a cup.
I was taking home on average about 600 pounds per week when you added it all up. I had to train 3 night a week (missing a session was a serious no-no), 1 game a week, attend every club function that was put on anywhere (usually about 1 a fortnight) and had to stay for 1.5 hours after the game to meet supporters and listen to them moan about what I should or shouldn't have done. All of this, along with the fines/player rules (of which there were fucking plenty I can tell you), was written into my contract.
All cash, all paid in your hand every Thursday night after training.
It was completely obscene. On a good day we'd have got 2k supporters, on average about 1,000 - hardly the fucking Maracana was it? God knows where the money came from, nobody really asked.
The only tough part was pre-season which you didn't get paid for. And that's 4 months of 4/5 nights a week of running through hell. Still, was worth it given the upside.
On top of all that, I had a full-time job earning whatever. As did 90% of the players in the side. Some of the younger kids didn't bother working and just sat around playing XBox all day until training started at 6pm.
And that's me, at a fairly shite level, earning that. I was fairly average too, the better players in the side would have been earning $1500 a week, and God-knows what bonuses on top. If you wanted to attract an ex A-League player or someone who'd played in England you ahd to be prepared to offer them over $2K a week and then expect them to turn up once a week for training.
The money in football at all levels is completely ridiculous.
Incidentally, David Alaba's paycheck from April 2012 occurred on the internet.
He earned about € 92k in one month.
I think that's approximately what, 22,000 pounds per week?
It would be well worth our time to quadruple his wages.
Not going to happen though🙁
Harsh.
You can't generalise people and fit them in to pens like that, there are some people who give back so much and do care about their roots and do give a shit but they tend not to hit the headlines cause they don't sell papers.
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