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what is the best tactic at old trafford?

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Well... it is not to let them dictate the play on our half.

I guess the best tactics are to press them as high as possible, try to keep the ball in the team and leave wingers as high that hey dont dare to let their fullbacks attack...
 
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Every player to wear a #9 shirt and stare at Vidic
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They will not play him. he will have a flu or something that day!
 
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39350.msg1071260#msg1071260 date=1268827045]
Every player to wear a #9 shirt and stare at Vidic
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jocky - at halloween the kids will dress as torres and knock on vidic's door.

ha ha
 
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wouldn't that destroy liverpool as well marky? its not in our best interests to annihilate ourselves even if it means taking out the mancs.
 
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wouldn't that destroy liverpool as well marky? its not in our best interests to annihilate ourselves even if it means taking out the mancs.
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Just a little one?
 
Seriously though, it's a cagey one. Rooney is in the form of his life, thankfully we have Torres. Hopefully no one will get distracted and do anything stupid.
 
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Seriously though, it's a cagey one. Rooney is in the form of his life, thankfully we have Torres. Hopefully no one will get distracted and do anything stupid.
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So one Key Success Factor is to tell Mascherano to ignore that Ferdinand is kicking Torres ancles to pieces!!!!
 
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wouldn't that destroy liverpool as well marky? its not in our best interests to annihilate ourselves even if it means taking out the mancs.
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Just a little one?
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ha ha 😀
 
If we go out just trying not to get beaten and defend in numbers it won't work. That will allow them to get into their stride, they WILL break us down and then we will have no response. We are no good when we are chasing the game

To stand any chance we will have to play positively
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=39350.msg1071286#msg1071286 date=1268830318]
If we go out just trying not to get beaten and defend in numbers it won't work. That will allow them to get into their stride, they WILL break us down and then we will have no response. We are no good when we are chasing the game

To stand any chance we will have to play positively
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We've beaten them three times in a row by soaking up pressure and hitting them on the break. The key is to defend well, counter quickly, and take our chances when they come. We cannot beat them at their own game. Not in their back yard, anyway.
 
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=39350.msg1071286#msg1071286 date=1268830318]
If we go out just trying not to get beaten and defend in numbers it won't work. That will allow them to get into their stride, they WILL break us down and then we will have no response. We are no good when we are chasing the game

To stand any chance we will have to play positively
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We've beaten them three times in a row by soaking up pressure and hitting them on the break. The key is to defend well, counter quickly, and take our chances when they come. We cannot beat them at their own game. Not in their back yard, anyway.
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True enough but it just concerns me that they are playing well and we are not, and I can see that if we approach the game negatively they will be all over us.
 
I'm concerned too. They're form is great, ours is not (Pompey game aside). We're leaking goals, they're scoring heavily. If it goes to form, we'll be soundly beaten. But I don't think the answer is to go there and attempt to play expansive, adventurous football. Certainly not as things stand, anyway. That would be suicide.

This is the type of game though where the likes of Carra could just put in a heroic performance that sees us keep them at bay. Torres could put in a blinder at the other end and nick us a goal or two. It's a big game, for big game players. We just have to hope that ours can make the difference on the day.

One thing that does worry me is Rooney's form in the air and our susceptibility from crosses/set pieces. I might be inclined to play the Greek for this one....
 
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I'm concerned too. They're form is great, ours is not (Pompey game aside). We're leaking goals, they're scoring heavily. If it goes to form, we'll be soundly beaten. But I don't think the answer is to go there and attempt to play expansive, adventurous football. Certainly not as things stand, anyway. That would be suicide.

This is the type of game though where the likes of Carra could just put in a heroic performance that sees us keep them at bay. Torres could put in a blinder at the other end and nick us a goal or two. It's a big game, for big game players. We just have to hope that ours can make the difference on the day.

One thing that does worry me is Rooney's form in the air and our susceptibility from crosses/set pieces. I might be inclined to play the Greek for this one....
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But that is part of their game. They are allowed to dictate games because noone take the game to them.... If we take the game to them they will not be able to play their own game? They will be a treath to us on set pieces. Every team is that so we just have to avoid giving away stupid set pieces opportunities.
 
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I'm concerned too. They're form is great, ours is not (Pompey game aside). We're leaking goals, they're scoring heavily. If it goes to form, we'll be soundly beaten. But I don't think the answer is to go there and attempt to play expansive, adventurous football. Certainly not as things stand, anyway. That would be suicide.

This is the type of game though where the likes of Carra could just put in a heroic performance that sees us keep them at bay. Torres could put in a blinder at the other end and nick us a goal or two. It's a big game, for big game players. We just have to hope that ours can make the difference on the day.

One thing that does worry me is Rooney's form in the air and our susceptibility from crosses/set pieces. I might be inclined to play the Greek for this one....
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But that is part of their game. They are allowed to dictate games because noone take the game to them.... If we take the game to them they will not be able to play their own game? They will be a treath to us on set pieces. Every team is that so we just have to avoid giving away stupid set pieces opportunities.
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Teams that take the game to them at Old Trafford are usually beaten quite emphatically. What's more, we would have to be confident that we are better at that approach than they are, which we're clearly not.

They're at home, and the onus on them is to take the game to us, which they will have no hesitation in doing. We have to trust that we can resist them and break quickly, and incisively. Another assist from Reina would be handy.
 
Why people assume we would be more solid defensively with Lucas instead of Aquilani?

Playing higher on the pitch and having a go at them in their half is the best defence.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39350.msg1071335#msg1071335 date=1268836007]
Why people assume we would be more solid defensively with Lucas instead of Aquilani?

Playing higher on the pitch and having a go at them in their half is the best defence.
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Because Lucas is more solid defensively than Aquilani. I would've thought that went without saying.

And precisely what precedent are you basing your gung-ho strategy on? Any success we've had against them in the last ten years (particularly at Old Trafford) has been largely founded on keeping it tight and exploiting the gaps they leave when they come at us. Or the odd flash of brilliance.

Besides, have you actually watched us this season? Get a grip man.
 
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Why people assume we would be more solid defensively with Lucas instead of Aquilani?

Playing higher on the pitch and having a go at them in their half is the best defence.
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Because Lucas is more solid defensively than Aquilani. I would've thought that went without saying.

And precisely what precedent are you basing your gung-ho strategy on? Any success we've had against them in the last ten years (particularly at Old Trafford) has been largely founded on keeping it tight and exploiting the gaps they leave when they come at us. Or the odd flash of brilliance.

Besides, have you actually watched us this season? Get a grip man.
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I have watched us this season. I knew since day one when I saw the Mascher/Lucas combo in the middle, it would be a long and painful season. Hearing our clueless manager trying to justify it makes it even worse.
Lucas is shite defensively. He looses most of challenges, gives stupid freekicks just outside the box, gives the ball away in our half, very poor positional sense. Headless chicken.
I cant blame him. I guess its the yanks fault if hes playing week in week out.

Playing Benayoun in the hole was the key in our 1st game agaisnt them this season. Aquilani can do the same job.
Id play.

-------------Mascher
Benayoun--Gerrard----Babel

-----------Aquilani
-----------------Torres

We play as a unit, difference is we play 30 yards higher on the pitch and dont let them having a go at us
 
Oh, I see. My apologies. I didn't realise it was that simple to beat a rampant Man Utd team in their own back yard despite having performed like cunts all season. Just push 30 yards up the pitch and hope to fuck that they can't play through us. Or run past us. Yup, can't see any problems with that.

So, Champagne football it is then.
 
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Oh, I see. My apologies. I didn't realise it was that simple to beat a rampant Man Utd team in their own back yard despite having performed like cunts all season. Just push 30 yards up the pitch and hope to fuck that they can't play through us. Or run past us. Yup, can't see any problems with that.

So, Champagne football it is then.
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Who's talking about Champagne football Del?
Its just playing players where they perform best. Its not rocket science.
Defenders that can defend.
Wingers that can beat their man and deliver the good last pass.
etc, etc...
If we play with 8 defensive minded players at Old Trafford we're going to lose 3 nil.

Rafa makes it difficult and just tries to hard to justify it.
 
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Supporting us must be a right chore when you crave anti-football to get a decent result.

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You've been missing the point for most of this thread now Larry so I'm not going to bother repeating myself again.

We're playing arguably the top side in the country right now. As such, I'll settle for a result and worry about the eye-catching stuff when we've hopefully replaced Benitez at the end of the season.
 
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Supporting us must be a right chore when you crave anti-football to get a decent result.

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You've been missing the point for most of this thread now Larry so I'm not going to bother repeating myself again.

We're playing arguably the top side in the country right now. As such, I'll settle for a result and worry about the eye-catching stuff when we've hopefully replaced Benitez at the end of the season.
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Hey. I'll settle for that.
 
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Supporting us must be a right chore when you crave anti-football to get a decent result.

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You've been missing the point for most of this thread now Larry so I'm not going to bother repeating myself again.

We're playing arguably the top side in the country right now. As such, I'll settle for a result and worry about the eye-catching stuff when we've hopefully replaced Benitez at the end of the season.
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Hey. I'll settle for that.


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He promised us 4th though.
 
The mancs weakest part of their side this season has been right back so i'd love to think we could exploit that area. However i expect to see Insua start and no doubt he will be given a grafter to play in front of him to help out against Valencia.

Not looking forward to this one at all.
 
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