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We apparently overachieved in 2012

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[article][h2]Kenny Dalglish: My Liverpool OVERachieved in 2012 - how many points would you swap for three Wembley trips?[/h2]

19 Sep 2013 22:31
Kop idol sacked after winning one cup and losing final of the other but only finishing eighth in league is defiant in new book

Kenny Dalglish has defended his record during his second spell as Liverpool boss, claiming the team’s achievements were “beyond any expectations”.

Dalglish was sacked by Liverpool’s American owners Fenway Sports Group in May 2012 because the Reds finished eighth in the Premier League.

The Anfield legend insists winning the Carling Cup, which remains their only trophy since 2006, and reaching the FA Cup Final that season were more memorable than finishing fourth.

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“Liverpool Football Club is massive and the support it gets is fantastic,” he said. “They had not won anything for six years when I got there, but we won something in our first season.

“What those boys achieved in 2012 was fantastic. To win the Carling Cup and to get to an FA Cup Final was beyond any expectations.

“People will turn around and say we finished eighth in the league, but how many points would you swap for three Wembley trips?

“Because of the cup runs, it was probably a reason why the league results were not what we had hoped for, but the lads were fantastic and that can only stand them in good stead.

“That League Cup was a trophy for Liverpool Football Club. I don’t see that as anything but a positive. It’s always pleasant to get a winner’s medal.

“For Dirk Kuyt, to have won his first medal at Liverpool Football Club after so long must have meant so much to him and to win a trophy at Wembley again clearly meant a lot to the fans.

“Nowadays it’s also a success to finish in the top four and get into the Champions League.

“It might be more rewarding to qualify in Europe after finishing fourth, but who remembers that game when you finished fourth to get there?

“Winning a cup final against Cardiff at Wembley and walking away with the Carling Cup was a day to remember.
“Yes, I would have loved to have finished fourth and I would have loved to have won the Champions League and won the Premier League, but it was never going to be achieved overnight.

“If you take short steps, you’ve got a chance and what we achieved was a positive move.”

Dalglish spent £60million the previous summer on the likes of Jordan Henderson, Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam and says they needed more than just one season to settle at Anfield.

“We signed seven new players and for Liverpool Football Club to try and assimilate so many in one season was a huge ask for the players,” he said.

“Some of those young lads at Liverpool are going to be really good footballers, but the club had never brought seven new players in before, who would all start at the same time.”

Despite his hurt at leaving Liverpool, Dalglish, who was a club ambassador before succeeding Roy Hodgson as manager in January 2011, says he would jump at the chance to return again in any capacity.
“I’ve always said that I’m happy to help Liverpool Football Club in whatever way I can and that hasn’t changed in any way, shape or form,” he said.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-kenny-dalglishs-new-book-2285892#ixzz2fOA79M6A [/article]
 
Don't want to be too harsh on Dalglish but his quote about "overachieving" in 2012 is up there with "Downing is better than I thought".
 
This thread will not go well.

Maybe we should start one about Rafa as well.
 
He doesnt say anywhere they overachieved.
He says that what they achieved getting to two cup finals was beyond any expectation. It was! We were shit.

Modo thats a bullshit rabble rousing title you massive cockend.
There is nothing wrong with what he has said.

His league performance was shite, im aware of that, but fuck me pink!
 
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“People will turn around and say we finished eighth in the league, but how many points would you swap for three Wembley trips?
However many it would have taken to get us 4th.

“We signed seven new players and for Liverpool Football Club to try and assimilate so many in one season was a huge ask for the players,” he said.
And 5 of the 7were complete shite. Good work.

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He brought us back 5 years. At any point is his book does he address the mess he made?
 
5 of the 7? Who were they? Downing, Enrique, Suarez, Carroll, Henderson, Coates and????

Downing and Carroll were massive mistakes, he's never going to get away from that, but one of them was a pressure buy. Henderson and Enrique have proven to be good buys, Suarez has been excellent, Coates was a kid we took a relatively modest gamble on. Two absolutely shite signings, yeah, don't let that stop you rewriting history though.

As for getting to two cup finals, he's right, however much people want to play down the league cup, a trophy is better than a fourth place finish, maybe not financially, but there's only one of the two that puts a stamp on the history books.

And "putting us back 5 years"? I'm not sure signings like Keane, Aquilani and co helped on that note either (Eh Modo?). The demise started well before Kenny got hold of us.

Same old same old, yeah he failed, but does we really need to hear this by you two everytime? The fact Modo is your main adversary on this should tell you how much of a bore you're being.
 
As for getting to two cup finals, he's right, however much people want to play down the league cup, a trophy is better than a fourth place finish, maybe not financially, but there's only one of the two that puts a stamp on the history books.
Unless you are Arsenal of course
 
5 of the 7? Who were they? Downing, Enrique, Suarez, Carroll, Henderson, Coates and????

Downing and Carroll were massive mistakes, he's never going to get away from that, but one of them was a pressure buy. Henderson and Enrique have proven to be good buys, Suarez has been excellent, Coates was a kid we took a relatively modest gamble on. Two absolutely shite signings, yeah, don't let that stop you rewriting history though.

As for getting to two cup finals, he's right, however much people want to play down the league cup, a trophy is better than a fourth place finish, maybe not financially, but there's only one of the two that puts a stamp on the history books.

And "putting us back 5 years"? I'm not sure signings like Keane, Aquilani and co helped on that note either (Eh Modo?). The demise started well before Kenny got hold of us.

Same old same old, yeah he failed, but does we really need to hear this by you two everytime? The fact Modo is your main adversary on this should tell you how much of a bore you're being.


Chuck Adam?
 
He brought us back 5 years. At any point is his book does he address the mess he made?

So what you're saying is that we are are now where we were 5 years ago? Coz yeah, first time we've been top of the league since.
 
He doesnt say anywhere they overachieved.
He says that what they achieved getting to two cup finals was beyond any expectation. It was! We were shit.

Modo thats a bullshit rabble rousing title you massive cockend.
There is nothing wrong with what he has said.

His league performance was shite, im aware of that, but fuck me pink!
Yeah we won the cup that Swansea won last season and Birmingham before we did I think.

Spending £100 million and getting two cup final. That's clearly beyond all expectation.
Winning the CL with Djimi that's kinda meh compared to what Kenny did.
 
All I'll say is this: this stuff comes from a 'scrapbook' style book of pictures with captions. That's it. You can read it from cover to cover in about 15 minutes. Rodgers will probably bring one out, once he's done something. But to start this thread in this way is really sadly manipulative and smacks of the desperation of those too thick even to do justice to their own petty agenda. And with that I leave you to it.
 
Why do people actually buy such books. Dont get me wrong I love Kenny and I am truly grateful for what he did for our club, but I would never buy his books, or for that matter any footballer, football manager books. Whatever excerpts I read in articles like this I find them to be vacuous and devoid of anything interesting. Often their "reflections" turn into how they were right all the time.
 
Why do people actually buy such books. Dont get me wrong I love Kenny and I am truly grateful for what he did for our club, but I would never buy his books, or for that matter any footballer, football manager books. Whatever excerpts I read in articles like this I find them to be vacuous and devoid of anything interesting. Often their "reflections" turn into how they were right all the time.


People buy them for other people for Christmas. We should get one for Modo.
 
Isnt it rather pointless discussing this? We've been over it to death.
Kenny won us our first throphy in 6 years. Thats the important stuff.
Finishing 8th in the league in 2012 doesnt really matter today does it?

The transfer business is another story but we're headed in the right direction now. Concentrate on that instead.
 
Anyone, ANYONE, who uses a man like KD and his service to this football club as a platform for their own sad internet-warrior self-serving crap should take a long look at themselves.
Regardless of the mistakes made in his final tenure, the joy or otherwise of actually winning something (that's what we're for by the way) compared to the holy grail of finishing 4th (what an achievement!) and his own comments in that article, the man is quite rightly regarded as one of the best things about Liverpool F.C. since 1977.
He's earned the right to have his say. You just turned on a computer. We really do have some absolute weapons 'supporting' this club nowadays.
 
I'm pretty sure that there's always been massive weapons supporting our club, difference being back in the day they didn't have much to moan about
 
People buy them for other people for Christmas. We should get one for Modo.

Yep. Each year I get one, only rarely do they get read, usually get chucked know eBay within days unread or given to a friend of mine who actually reads anything to do with footy (he's that bloke we all know who gets annoyed when he doesn't know an answer watching question of sport).

The three exceptions are carras, which I got a mate of a mate to have him sign, stevies, which I have been trying to get signed but failing cos no one seems to know him, even distantly, & Torres, cos I forgot I had it & by the time I found it at the back of the wardrobe he'd fucked off. It got given to the charity shop.
 
Ah jesus, do we have to suffer as many Kenny as Rafa threads now. Can we at least get some Roy threads done first? That we can agree on.

Seriously, we all know it's great to win trophies, and it should be the be all and end all, but it's not.

CL is where it's at, but it was nice to win a few trips to Wembley and a Milk Cup.

We all know Kenny didn't do the business, as much as we wanted. His purchases were god awful in the main. They did set us back. There's just no arguing with that. But he deserves respect for all he did for the club, including stabilizing the club in early 2011. Don't under-rate that, you whippersnappers, who can't remember the 70's and 80s.
 
Ah jesus, do we have to suffer as many Kenny as Rafa threads now. Can we at least get some Roy threads done first? That we can agree on.

You think? OK I'll start ...

Had the team playing the right way; some really excellent attacking football - just lacked the tough tackling midfielder (Ince was not the answer) and a solid back four.

I don't buy into the spice boys criticism... no-one would have cared if we had won shit, and the spice boys image was not the reason we didn't win shit.

So everyone agrees with that?
 
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