Some fair points. I would think he is still worth 80m, but there are fewer buyers with a bankrupt Barca and a criminal gang at Juve, and Italian and Spanish team finances struggling generally.
He would do well in Italy. Perhaps Real or Athletico?
Transfer Rumours 21/22
- Thread starter King Binny
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
- Status
Some fair points. I would think he is still worth 80m, but there are fewer buyers with a bankrupt Barca and a criminal gang at Juve, and Italian and Spanish team finances struggling generally.
He would do well in Italy. Perhaps Real or Athletico?
Ruiz is a CM
Oh. I was thinking of the Porto LW.
Nobody is going to pay £80m for a 30 yo Mane (end of this season) and in fact none of the top teams (Real, PSG, those that could afford him) is even going to pay £50m because they are building for the future.
We're stuck with him now. For better or worse.
Newcastle would 🙂
And I've already said I don't believe Mane would even consider them. Who in their right mind would go there?!
Kieta and Gomez need shipping, should get at least £60m right there. The club made €32.4m euros with maximum points and qualifying from the group
Champions League: Prize money for winners and teams
Champions League prize money increases with every round a team progresses in the tournament.
The initial lucrative achievement is reaching the group stage, which guarantees teams €15.64 million each.
If you progress from there, there is additional prize money which accumulates each round.
Winning the competition can be worth up to €85.1m in prize money, a huge figure. It is a total that includes match win bonuses too, in addition to the round-by-round figures listed in the table below.
The winners will in fact earn even more than that once television income is factored in.
And there is further cash on offer for reaching the following year’s UEFA Super Cup, €4.5m going to the eventual winner of that trophy and €3.5m for the runners-up.
[xtable]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}Position{/td}
{td}Prize money{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Winners{/td}
{td}€20m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Runners-up{/td}
{td}€15.5m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Semi-finals{/td}
{td}€12.5m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Quarter-finals{/td}
{td}€10.6m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Round of 16{/td}
{td}€9.6m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Group stage{/td}
{td}€15.64m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Third qualifying round{/td}
{td}€480k{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Second qualifying round{/td}
{td}€380k{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}First qualifying round{/td}
{td}€280k{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Preliminary round{/td}
{td}€230k{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
How much is each Champions League win worth?
As well as those amounts paid out per round, further riches are available in the group stages.
Every victory lands a team €2.8m while even a draw will land them a handy €930,000.
So a team who makes the Champions League group stages and wins all six matches will already have earned €42m in round-by-round and match bonuses without having even won a match in the knockout stage.
That is made up of the guaranteed €15.64m as a group participant, then €16.8m in win bonuses and €9.6m for reaching the last 16.
In terms of one-off ties, winning a Champions League semi-final is hugely valuable.
It guarantees you a further €15.5m, or €20m if you go on to win the competition.
Market pool: How does it affect Champions League earnings?
The number of wins you have and the round you reach is key to Champions League riches.
But those are not the only factors which determine total Champions League earnings for clubs.
For example, Bayern earned €130m in total (including television revenue) for winning the trophy in 2020. Liverpool’s total the year before was lower at around €111m.
The market pool is a concept which ensures clubs from countries with the most lucrative television deals are handsomely rewarded for boosting UEFA’s funds.
A portion of each country’s cash is then split between all the teams from that nation in the competition. So if five Premier League teams were to make it, the slices on offer would be smaller for those English clubs compared to a year with the usual four.
Market pool: Winners do not always make the most
It is not an even split either. UEFA are keen for the league positions from each division to be factored in to the calculations.
That means in 2019, the two finalists from England – Liverpool and Tottenham – actually received less in TV market pool money than quarter-finalists Man City and Man Utd.
City and United had finished first and second in the Premier League the year before.
They took home €21.2m and €17.8m respectively. Meanwhile, runners-up Spurs – who had finished third in the Premier League – got €16.6m. European champions Liverpool got just €13.1m in their share as they had reached the competition after finishing fourth.
But how far you progress is also part of the formula. Barcelona did extremely well financially as semi-finalists in 2019, banking more than Liverpool.
That was because other Spanish teams did not go far. Barca were the only La Liga side to progress past the first knockout round.
For fans hoping their club can maximise income, the biggest market pool payouts will go to teams from the most lucrative TV markets who have won their domestic league the previous season when the other teams from their country do not reach the UCL latter stages.
For nations where fewer teams qualify for the Champions League, it can make a huge difference if just one or two teams from that country reach the tournament proper.
That means the TV market pool for that nation is split between fewer teams, significantly boosting their payout.
UEFA Coefficient: How does it affect Champions League earnings?
While some of Europe’s top clubs expressed their dissatisfaction with UEFA amid the Super League saga earlier in 2021, there are already some parts of the system which work in their favour.
The upcoming changes to the competition from 2024 are big.
A controversial proposal will allow a team from high-profile leagues who did not qualify by right to still gain entry via the Coeffeicient.
But already that UEFA Coefficient system helps boost the finances of top clubs.
Teams’ results from the previous 10 years in Europe dictates how well they rank in the Coefficient.
The higher you are ranked, the bigger amount of guaranteed cash you get as a share of that season’s Champions League prize pool.
Those amounts are set out and paid regardless of how well you play in the tournament.
For instance, in 2020/21, Real Madrid (€35.5m), Bayern Munich (€34.3m) and Barcelona (€33.2m) received the biggest amounts due to their positions in the UEFA standings.
That fell to €25.5m by the time you reach Manchester City in 10th position in the Coefficient.
It is a position Pep Guardiola’s team improved upon significantly given they reached the 2021 final – and it comes with a financial benefit.
There is an even bigger difference by the time you reach the bottom of the list.
In the 2020-21 season, the lowest ranked side Ferencvaros only received a payment of around €1m under this system.
How much will a team lose from failing to qualify?
It is estimated that Juventus earned €790m between 2012 and 2021 purely from Champions League participation and ticket sales.
In 2020-21, despite a disappointing campaign that saw them eliminated by Porto in the last 16, they still earned just under €40m in prize money.
Juve also had a Coefficient payment of around €30m and they get a further payment via the Italian TV market pool.
This is why it was so crucial they qualified for the 2021-22 Champions League - by the skin of their teeth on the final day of the season.
As well as missing out on direct funds through prize money, TV money and Coefficient-linked payments, failing to reach the Champions League has a commercial impact too.
The loss of prestige is significant and there is less value to a company if the team they are associated with are not successful enough to reach the top competition.
In addition, the team in question would no longer be playing in the biggest matches with the highest viewing figures.
The lucrative 10-year deal Man Utd struck with Adidas in 2014 is a good example.
A clause is built in where Adidas can pay significantly less to United if they are not in the Champions League.
There are many other deals like that between clubs and shirt sponsors.
It is also prominent with other commercial partners and is similar even when it comes to the value of stadium naming rights.
Fewer matches mean lower gate receipts for teams as well, so the Champions League impacts so many financial areas.
Coronavirus adds to impact
The coronavirus pandemic means the impact of missing out on Champions League football is greater than ever before.
Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus are among the top European clubs nursing huge debts. Barca were reported to be €1.2 billion in debt at the end of 2020-21.
So losing Champions League football and the prize money that comes with it is even more painful than it would be already.
And it has an impact on persuading players to join too.
Most of the top stars in world football are motivated by playing in the biggest competitions.
So while top clubs may still try to tempt signings with big wage packets, without Champions League football to offer the club in question usually becomes significantly less appealing.
😵
Its said Spurs will spend big this Jan and Summer. We know Man U have never been shy of flashing the cash. Man City still have the money left over after not getting Harry Kane. Chelsea always spend big, I think their net spend last summer was really low.
So with the onset of crowd restrictions likely to be imposed on grounds, we're heading for another disappointing Jan and Summer window.
So with the onset of crowd restrictions likely to be imposed on grounds, we're heading for another disappointing Jan and Summer window.
Raphinha alternative
Artur victor
[xtable=skin1|372x192]
{thead}
{tr}
{th=colspan:2}competition{/th}
{th} {/th}
{th}G{/th}
{th}A{/th}
{th} {/th}
{th} {/th}
{/tr}
{/thead}
{tfoot}
{tr}
{td=colspan:2}Total :{/td}
{td}57{/td}
{td}20{/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}233{/td}
{td}4.655{/td}
{/tr}
{/tfoot}
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}
{/td}
{td}Série A{/td}
{td}29{/td}
{td}11{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{td}219{/td}
{td}2.406{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}
{/td}
{td}Copa Sudamericana{/td}
{td}13{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}165{/td}
{td}1.158{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}
{/td}
{td}Paulistão A1 - Primeira fase{/td}
{td}10{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}641{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}
{/td}
{td}Copa do Brasil{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}180{/td}
{td}360{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}
{/td}
{td}Paulistão A1 - Fase final{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}90{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
Date of birth/Age: Feb 15, 1998 (23)
Place of birth:
Fortaleza
Citizenship:
Brazil
Height: 1,68 m
Position: Right Winger
National player:
Brazil
Caps/Goals: 0/0
@King Binny have you got more meaningful stats on this guy please?
Artur victor
[xtable=skin1|372x192]
{thead}
{tr}
{th=colspan:2}competition{/th}
{th} {/th}
{th}G{/th}
{th}A{/th}
{th} {/th}
{th} {/th}
{/tr}
{/thead}
{tfoot}
{tr}
{td=colspan:2}Total :{/td}
{td}57{/td}
{td}20{/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}233{/td}
{td}4.655{/td}
{/tr}
{/tfoot}
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}
{td}Série A{/td}
{td}29{/td}
{td}11{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{td}219{/td}
{td}2.406{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}
{td}Copa Sudamericana{/td}
{td}13{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}165{/td}
{td}1.158{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}
{td}Paulistão A1 - Primeira fase{/td}
{td}10{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}641{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}
{td}Copa do Brasil{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}180{/td}
{td}360{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}
{td}Paulistão A1 - Fase final{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}90{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
Date of birth/Age: Feb 15, 1998 (23)
Place of birth:
Citizenship:
Height: 1,68 m
Position: Right Winger
National player:
Caps/Goals: 0/0
@King Binny have you got more meaningful stats on this guy please?
[article]
Raphinha’s hefty price tag
Fabrizio Romano has confirmed that Liverpool were priced out of a move for Leeds United winger Raphinha in the summer.
Liverpool were heavily linked with a move for the 24-year-old throughout the summer as they looked to bolster their options in the final third.
However, while Romano confirmed that he was indeed a target for the Reds, Leeds’ asking price meant that it was a deal that never got close to completion.
He said: “They only wanted to spend money on players with the right skills, in the right moment for the right price. The model for the deal has always been Diogo Jota, right moment, right price.
[/article]
shorter players, lower centre of gravity. I mentioned Raphinha alternative, we wait till @King Binny gives his opinion.
We won't make a move for them ever. We will covet them feverishly though, all through 2023.
Raphinha alternative
Artur victor
[xtable=skin1|372x192]
{thead}
{tr}
{th=colspan:2}competition{/th}
{th} {/th}
{th}G{/th}
{th}A{/th}
{th} {/th}
{th} {/th}
{/tr}
{/thead}
{tfoot}
{tr}
{td=colspan:2}Total :{/td}
{td}57{/td}
{td}20{/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}233{/td}
{td}4.655{/td}
{/tr}
{/tfoot}
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}{/td}
{td}Série A{/td}
{td}29{/td}
{td}11{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{td}219{/td}
{td}2.406{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}{/td}
{td}Copa Sudamericana{/td}
{td}13{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}165{/td}
{td}1.158{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}{/td}
{td}Paulistão A1 - Primeira fase{/td}
{td}10{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}641{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}{/td}
{td}Copa do Brasil{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}180{/td}
{td}360{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}{/td}
{td}Paulistão A1 - Fase final{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}90{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
Date of birth/Age: Feb 15, 1998 (23)
Place of birth:Fortaleza
Citizenship:Brazil
Height: 1,68 m
Position: Right Winger
National player:Brazil
Caps/Goals: 0/0
@King Binny have you got more meaningful stats on this guy please?
First time I heard his name. 😳 He happened to score in stoppage time today to help Red Bull Bragantino qualify for Copa Libertadores qualifiers (they just got promoted to top flight this season, if I'm not mistaken).
Looks like he has a habit of scoring late goals
Found this other goal he scored
Back in 2020: If no other clubs move for him, surely the next progression will be a move to one of the other Red Bull clubs?
https://footystats.org/players/brazil/artur-victor-guimaraes
Last edited:
I think Raph could be on the cards. We need to replace Salah and Mane soon, which will cost a bit.
Until they retire actually. We are as a club all foreplay and no sex.
Haven't watch him enough, just realised he's only 24. Might be one worth keeping an eye on as the next Robbo/Gini type of signing?
https://www.skysports.com/football/...rom-potential-priest-to-premier-league-player
[article]The Nigerian joined for a modest transfer fee - claimed to be £3.4m by his agent - from Club Brugge. But he is a player who has shone in the past against Real Madrid, scoring twice at the Bernabeu, and is seizing his chance in the Premier League. He has proven to be one of the bargains of the transfer window.
Dennis scored for his former Belgian club against Manchester United in the last 32 of the Europa League in 2020 and he found the net again against Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's side in Watford's remarkable 4-1 win which cost the Norwegian his job.
Chelsea and Leicester are among the other big sides to have felt his force this season, with his return of six goals and five assists only bettered by Liverpool's Mohamed Salah.
Dennis is sure to be key for Watford during this crucial run of games in December. And Ranieri is convinced the 24-year-old - who has been linked with United and Arsenal in the past - is a player who can go right to the top.
"I'm impressed a lot with his performances," Ranieri said. "He's very fast, he scores goals, and makes a lot of assists for us. I hope he can continue in this way. He's young and can score goals.
"I love this kind of player [who can play on either wing or through the middle], universal players, so I can change during the match some position from him, King, Cucho… with a lot of players in front. For me that's very good.
"I think he could play for these big teams. He must continue to improve and I speak a lot with him. I'm sure at the end of the season he can go into the big teams - but also he can stay in Watford!"
[/article]
Liverpool have made Real Madrid winger Rodrygo one of their main transfer targets and are willing to pay €80m (£68m) for the 20-year-old Brazil forward. (El Nacional via Daily Mirror)
He has 1 assist in 14 games playing 580 odd mins.
Real bought him for €45 in 2019. I would say Artur Victor would be way cheaper and thus less riskier
He has 1 assist in 14 games playing 580 odd mins.
Real bought him for €45 in 2019. I would say Artur Victor would be way cheaper and thus less riskier
Haaland, Mani wants €40m and Haaland dad supposedly wants €40m and Haaland is thought to want €20m after tax
Honestly, as much as I love our team if we could afford it then Haaland is the lazy (expensive) way to secure our future especially after when Klopp leaves. Haaland is a definite player that would make our team better, no matter what manager he plays under.
We aren't likely to get Halland and will instead go for some underrated gem as we have but that's only worked in recent years whilst we have had Kloop. Once we lose Klopp's magical powers those underrated gems turn into overrated flops. This is why it makes sense to go for sure-fire players like Halland before Klopp leaves.
I don't get FSG, I know they are trying to run the club right but sometimes you got to speculate to accumulate. Getting Haaland and keeping Salah would be very expensive but keeps us at the top for a while after Klopp leaves.
We aren't likely to get Halland and will instead go for some underrated gem as we have but that's only worked in recent years whilst we have had Kloop. Once we lose Klopp's magical powers those underrated gems turn into overrated flops. This is why it makes sense to go for sure-fire players like Halland before Klopp leaves.
I don't get FSG, I know they are trying to run the club right but sometimes you got to speculate to accumulate. Getting Haaland and keeping Salah would be very expensive but keeps us at the top for a while after Klopp leaves.
Until you read how much his entourage wants. No, he’ll end up at PSG or at Chavski.
So saying Rodrigo isn’t worth that either. How much would Neto go for, I wonder?
Haaland to City
Mbappe to Madrid
Bellingham to anywhere but here
Jarrod Bowen to the reds
Mbappe to Madrid
Bellingham to anywhere but here
Jarrod Bowen to the reds
- Status
