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gene hughes said:
He's completely impervious to self awareness. An intellectual cactus.
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Rael - gene hughes is in my mind 'THE SPECIAL ONE' - he can only say 'Moron Fuck Off' to my posts mainly because he has no answer to some of my brilliant posts. You will find that you will also benefit from having a 'SPECIAL ONE' on this forum.
 
gkmacca said:
Eh?? I thought the idea was to score more than last time. So now the target is to do as badly as last time?
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No Macca - it's the starting point at which we can be confident that our current manager is getting more out of the players than the previous manager.

I'd consider that progress.
 
Rael said:
I've no problem with Carroll going. I've got a problem with not getting a top notch striker to improve on the woeful goal return from last season. Is Borini suddenly Ian Rush incarnate or is he someone who hasn't proved himself at the highest level yet? You're basing this sudden goal glut on hope rather than cold hard fact.
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Just to be clear here - are you angry that we didn't sign a "top notch striker" or that we didn't complete the signings of either Sturridge or Dempsey.

A bit of a stretch to call either "top notch" and unless we had an influx of £20m+ we were never in for a "top notch" striker.

Being patient now and not blowing our wad on the first set of tits that come in to view might get us further in theong run.
 
A frustrated Rodgers met Ayre at the club’s Melwood training ground on Saturday to seek an explanation why he has been left chasing four trophies with a painfully thin squad that contains one senior striker in Luis Suarez.

Rodgers has been assured Friday’s debacle will be taken into account if the club miss out on a top-four finish, and he has been promised he can bid for players in January, including Arsenal’s Theo Walcott.

The 39-year-old successor to Kenny Dalglish has to decide whether to let his displeasure be known when he answers questions on TV before Sunday’s game against Arsenal.

Liverpool fans, noted for campaigns to seek justice over the Hillsborough tragedy and to remove Hicks and Gillett, took to social media in their thousands, largely to blame Ayre and the club’s latest American owners, Fenway Sports Group, for missing out on Dempsey.

Some also pointed the finger at Rodgers for his hard-line approach towards Carroll and Adam that helped lower their value.
Carroll went to West Ham on loan and helped set up a goal for Kevin Nolan in the first minute of his Hammers debut against Fulham, although he later limped off with a hamstring twinge.

Adam cost Stoke just £4million — a third of what Matt Jarvis and Steven Fletcher, of relegated Wolves, each went for.

Ayre was criticised for leaving Melwood two hours before the deadline passed after finding out Spurs had signed Dempsey.

Principal owner John W Henry was widely slated, with a message on the influential Anfield online website saying: ‘Terrible approach from the money men.’

Paul Dalglish, son of former manager Kenny, tweeted Rodgers’s head would ‘explode with rage’.
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Villas-Boas expressed his delight at both the performance of second-half substitute Dembele and the deadline-day capture of Clint Dempsey.

The Portuguese revealed a deal was also desperately close to conclusion for Porto playmaker Joao Moutinho.

'We agreed player terms late but there were situations regarding the contract that were not right so we didn't complete the transfer,' Villas-Boas said.

'We have enough cover without him. Moutinho's transfer not happening should not overshadow the fact we have pulled off one of the biggest coups of the transfer market with Clint Dempsey, who is a player who can really help us to go one step further.'
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Not signing Clint Dempsey sums up Liverpool's malaise, says Dion Fanning

There are some who would argue that replacing Andy Carroll with nobody, as Liverpool did on Friday night, is a fair swap.

At Upton Park yesterday, Carroll demonstrated what he can do in a team that sees simple terror as the most effective way of winning football matches. At Liverpool, however, he was a problem, albeit one created by others, particularly those who authorised his signing.

Since Sabermetrics became the desired business model for football clubs, any action in the transfer market leads to people grabbing Moneyball from the shelves with the zeal of an evangelist opening the Old Testament to exclaim why we're all doomed.

Liverpool had a pretty good summer in the transfer market and a pretty bad transfer deadline day. In January 2011, they had a triumphant transfer deadline day and they have been suffering for it and other mistakes since.

On one of the pages in Michael Lewis's book which explains Billy Beane's philosophy, there is an insight into how FSG are running Liverpool now and what they should have done before. "You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price."

Liverpool are still trying to recover from the signing of Carroll for £35m, perhaps the wrongest price there has ever been in the spectacular history of wrong prices. It was so bad that FSG should sack themselves for signing off on it. Then they were new to English football and eager to make an impression.

The signing of Carroll calmed supporters after the sale of Torres. Yet if FSG had questioned Carroll's price, as they questioned Clint Dempsey's on Friday night, they might have angered supporters who, understandably, are angry again after the failure to sign Dempsey.

There is an argument to be made that Dempsey was over-priced, yet stalling on a fee of £5m which leaves Rodgers with only two strikers seems like an extreme implementation of their new philosophy.

Carroll seems to have been signed at a time when nobody was accountable but Liverpool are having to account for it now. Kenny Dalglish's defenders will point out that he was just a caretaker when Carroll was signed and couldn't have authorised the deal.

Ian Ayre was commercial director then and appointed managing director by the time Liverpool splurged again last summer. If only Damien Comolli can be directly implicated in the Carroll signing, nobody can dispute that Dalglish was involved in the catastrophic spending last summer when he paid too much for Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson.

Liverpool are burdened with those players and for a club facing into a third season without Champions League football, there was always going to be some brutal realism, if anything can be more brutally realistic than watching Downing trying to play.

There are other painful realities. From the end of this transfer window to the opening of the next, Liverpool will pay close to £2m in wages to Joe Cole. Cole's arrival was greeted with hysterical celebration from many Liverpool fans who presumably would have been as angry if something had happened to prevent that deal as they were when Dempsey's fell through on Friday night.

They could thank Christian Purslow for the Cole deal as they operated a sort of an anti-Moneyball, with a determination to make as many spectacularly wrong decisions at the wrong price as they could.

FSG should have trusted their instincts long before this summer. There may have been too much of their instinct present last week. Ayre led the negotiations for Dempsey and was unconvincing again.

Liverpool knew there was no way back to Fulham for Dempsey who had burned his bridges quite spectacularly. Yet when Tottenham entered the fight, Fulham and Dempsey had an alternative and Liverpool were burnt.

If Liverpool want to see the danger of too much austerity they can look at Aston Villa, a club they helped tremendously last summer with their philanthropic gesture, the signing of Downing for £20m.

Villa have cut costs and suffered but there will be a money man somewhere arguing that they had no option but to drain all hope from the supporters.

Brendan Rodgers fought hard for what he wanted when he joined Liverpool. As a young manager, he might have been expected to be grateful for the opportunity and agreed to FSG's plan for sporting directors and football consultants.

Instead he showed the arrogance essential for the job when he said he would manage in his way. FSG abandoned their plans.

So far Rodgers has, moving on players like Carroll and Charlie Adam who were never capable of playing his way.

Yet FSG wanted to do things their way too. Rodgers won the argument on how the football club would be managed but they are more reluctant to abandon their ideas on how it should be financed.

This may seem like a very modern idea but the struggle between a manager and his board is one of the eternal battles in football. Maybe Rodgers learnt something on Friday night. He certainly became more aware of the dysfunction that still thrives at Liverpool.
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Fuck me. One of those articles compares the JFT96 to how the fans feel about not signing Clint fucking Dempsey.
Our fans really are fucking knobheads if they buy into all this fucking muck.

RODGERS HEAD WILL EXPLODE WITH RAGE!!
Fuck up son of the guy who got sacked for wasting 100m last summer.
 
I bought a framed picture of a Liverpool team to put up in the pub the other week. The team is :-

Riena, Kelly, Wilson, Agger, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Poulsen, J Cole, Meireles, Kuyt, N'Gog.

Whenever anyone whinges about the team I point to it and suggest things could be worse.
 
FSG have achieved in two years what Thatcher never could; no strikers in Liverpool.

Not mine. Shamelessly copied from twitterverse.
 
As he explained: "It is a learning process for the owners as well. They have come in and invested well over £100m and then they have made the change for whatever reason and one of the most iconic figures in the club's history has left. They made the change and made a big commitment to have me here for the longer term.
"I have a group of people I worked well with and the owners have been very up front and honest with me. I have no problem with that. There are obviously one or two things we need to iron out but the owners have been very honest and haven't misled me in any way whatsoever. There are operational things we need to sort out and if we do that, that will help us in the next transfer window.
"I have spoken to people back in America since Friday. They have my thoughts. We move on and will reflect on it next week. The reality is not a lot is done in January but we certainly need help."
He would not expand any further. "It's gone," said Rodgers on the issue of Carroll, who can be recalled by Liverpool in January. The optimism and tranquillity he had hoped to find at Anfield has vanished too.
 
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I gotta a real good feeling about you, Roberto. Do you like mascots?

I would very much like to know how much you will let me spend on my squad.

Gazillions, Roberto. Mountains of money.

Will you promise me that in writing?

You're beginning to trouble me.
 
gkmacca said:
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I gotta a real good feeling about you, Roberto. Do you like mascots?

I would very much like to know how much you will let me spend on my squad.

Gazillions, Roberto. Mountains of money.

Will you promise me that in writing?

You're beginning to trouble me.
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This is a little Mickey Mouse.
 
Xerez failed with a loan move for Liverpool goalkeeper Peter Gulacsi last week.

Gulacsi's management say he is disappointed that the deal broke down and will now concentrate on finding an English club to join on loan.

"We and the Xerez officials were hopeful until the last minute that Liverpool were going to say 'yes' but they decided to say 'no' on the last day of the transfer period," Gulacsi's agent Viktor Kovesdi told Pepsifoci.hu.

"The Spanish team had some final offers but Liverpool rejected all of them categorically.

"We're sorry about it because Xerez expected Gulacsi's arrival so much that they've already chosen a flat for him. It could have been a great possibility for him to spend one year in Spain but there's no time to worry.

"From now we have to concentrate on the English market and we hope Peter can stand in an English team's goal sooner or later."
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