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Torres: 'We're shit cos we sold Alonso'

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Andy Hunter The Guardian, Wednesday 7 April 2010

Fernando Torres has lamented the departure from Anfield of his team-mate Xabi Alonso.


Fernando Torres has identified the sale of Liverpool's "engine", Xabi Alonso, as one of the principal reasons for the club's struggles this year. The Spanish striker also said the club's current team were not strong enough mentally to overcome a poor start. Yet despite his damning analysis he said Liverpool could recover with "a vengeance", with Rafael Benítez as manager.

In a frank assessment of a miserable season at Anfield, in which Champions League qualification is in jeopardy and when doubts have been raised over where Torres, Steven Gerrard and Benítez will be next term, the Liverpool striker blamed last summer's transfer strategy for much of the club's problems.

Torres admits to witnessing parallels between Liverpool and Atlético Madrid, the boyhood club he left in frustration in 2007, and cites the £30m sale of Alonso to Real Madrid, Alvaro Arbeloa's £3.5m move to the same club and Sami Hyypia's transfer to Bayer Leverkusen as causes of the club's failure to build on last season's second-placed finish in the Premier League.

In an interview with the Spanish sports magazine Don Balon, Torres said: "There have been various important factors, like the fact that we were so far off the top of the table so quickly. That killed us psychologically and has stopped us changing the situation. After that, injuries hit us pretty hard and we have felt that a lot. After a good season last year, the team needed certain reinforcements and keep the squad together, but circumstances dictated that we had to sell players and everything got messed up.

"The sale of Arbeloa, Hyypia and Alonso was an important loss. Alvaro was a player who did a vital job for us, always played to a high level and his flexibility was a huge bonus. Sami may not have played every week but he was a 10 out of 10 on and off the pitch, bringing calm to the ground and having everyone's admiration.

"And Xabi … players like Xabi are very rare. He was the team's engine and you know that when you change an engine, it takes time to work again."

The Europa League represents Liverpool's last chance of silverware this season and Torres, who will be fit to face Benfica in the quarter-final second leg at Anfield tomorrow, concedes there are similarities between recent disappointments and his ultimate disillusionment at Atlético. He added: "It's difficult to compare [the two clubs] because the level of expectation and the sort of objectives we have are totally different, as much in a personal sense as a collective one. But, yes, you could say that there have been certain situations that look similar, above all in this last year."

Torres's comments may heighten speculation over his Liverpool future, although the 26-year-old has repeatedly said that he wants to stay at Anfield, providing the squad is strengthened this summer. The striker believes Benítez will remain as Liverpool's manager and does not consider the club to be in terminal decline.

"Rafa signed a five-year contract last summer because he wants to improve the club. So I think that this new era of Rafa's is only just starting," he said. "Big clubs in Europe always go through difficult spells where it appears as though there is no light at the end of the tunnel. But because they are big clubs, they always come back and they do so with a vengeance. It is just a matter of time."
 
The comparisons with us and Atletico isn't a good thing at all. It shows that Torres could think of leaving soon if things don't change drastically for the better. What we knew already, but it's different when you see him saying it.

Yeah all those players are massive losses. Bigger than what we thought initially with regards to Sami and Arbeloa.

Xabi, though, was obvious. He was a touch of class for us in midfield, and a great link from back to front for us which we've desperately been lacking this season. He's the type of player I'm talking about in the weeks matches thread, quick thinker, classy player. Vitally important to any team and we haven't replaced him.
 
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Gerrard needs to be our engine. He was born for this job. If we'd never had Alonso we wouldn't be confused about this point.
 
a) Then Rafa is an idiot for i) selling the engine (which he didn't have to) and ii) not replacing him with a similar player

b) Rafa substituted our 'engine' with Lucas & a few appearances from Aqua. Terrible.

c) Note the importance Torres puts on Sami's presence. We've missed that a lot.

d) I am not surprised Torres has spoken of Rafa highly again - but I wonder if he may have been shifted at Brum this weekend.
 
Yep, I've been thinking about this for a while now.

What we should have done when Xabi left, was to move Gerrard down in a central midfield role and bought a new nr 10. That could play behind Torres or upfront with him.

That player should have been Tevez or someone similar.

We could have bought another midfielder aswell. Cana went to Sunderland for 5 mill £, and would have been an excellent pick up.

Would have changed the season dramatically.
 
I think people have watched Cana on Match of the Day once, and thus formed an opinion on him for life.

I watch Sunderland more than anyone on this Forum, I can guarantee that, and he's really not all that folks.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39692.msg1083568#msg1083568 date=1270623005]
Yep, I've been thinking about this for a while now.

What we should have done when Xabi left, was to move Gerrard down in a central midfield role and bought a new nr 10. That could play behind Torres or upfront with him.

That player should have been Tevez or someone similar.

We could have bought another midfielder aswell. Cana went to Sunderland for 5 mill £, and would have been an excellent pick up.

Would have changed the season dramatically.
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maybe rafa was reluctant to break up the most prolific forward line in the league.
 
Sneijder would've been an excellent signing, but we'd have been facing the same problem we have with Aquilani - doesn't fit into the defensive 'two'.

I do wonder what Rafa had planned for this season though. Whether Aquilani was meant to walk straight into the side and make us more attacking after the team had 'coped' in his absence.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39692.msg1083569#msg1083569 date=1270623084]
I think people have watched Cana on Match of the Day once, and thus formed an opinion on him for life.

I watch Sunderland more than anyone on this Forum, I can guarantee that, and he's really not all that folks.
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I watched them quite a lot aswell, and there's a reason he was made their captain. He was also a very good player for Marseille. I'm saying he could have been a back up. Strong, decent passer and tackler of the ball and good in the air. Better than Lucas at least.

Gerrard - Mascher obvs the preferred pairing.
 
Last summer, I used to get shouted at for even daring to consider breaking up the esteemed gerrard, torres partnership.
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39692.msg1083568#msg1083568 date=1270623005]
Yep, I've been thinking about this for a while now.

What we should have done when Xabi left, was to move Gerrard down in a central midfield role and bought a new nr 10. That could play behind Torres or upfront with him.

That player should have been Tevez or someone similar.

We could have bought another midfielder aswell. Cana went to Sunderland for 5 mill £, and would have been an excellent pick up.

Would have changed the season dramatically.
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maybe rafa was reluctant to break up the most prolific forward line in the league.
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Maybe he had to, if the player that was availeble and most similar to Xabi in passing ability and being an engine, was Stevie. Getting in a new nr 10, would have given Rafa even more options..
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39692.msg1083571#msg1083571 date=1270623220]
Sneijder would've been an excellent signing, but we'd have been facing the same problem we have with Aquilani - doesn't fit into the defensive 'two'.

I do wonder what Rafa had planned for this season though. Whether Aquilani was meant to walk straight into the side and make us more attacking after the team had 'coped' in his absence.
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Yeah, I've commented on this a few times. The Aquilani signing - especially if you're going to continue with Gerrard in the hole - doesn't make sense.

I guess he thought Aqui was going to be better than he is, and/or the combo of Lucas and Masher would have been adequate enough.

That, and not planning on going another season with Torres out injured for half of it.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39692.msg1083569#msg1083569 date=1270623084]
I think people have watched Cana on Match of the Day once, and thus formed an opinion on him for life.

I watch Sunderland more than anyone on this Forum, I can guarantee that, and he's really not all that folks.
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I watched them quite a lot aswell, and there's a reason he was made their captain. He was also a very good player for Marseille. I'm saying he could have been a back up. Strong, decent passer and tackler of the ball and good in the air. Better than Lucas at least.

Gerrard - Mascher obvs the preferred pairing.
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Fair enough mate.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39692.msg1083571#msg1083571 date=1270623220]
Sneijder would've been an excellent signing, but we'd have been facing the same problem we have with Aquilani - doesn't fit into the defensive 'two'.

I do wonder what Rafa had planned for this season though. Whether Aquilani was meant to walk straight into the side and make us more attacking after the team had 'coped' in his absence.
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I have no idea why rafa feels the defensive two have to be 'defensive', one holding midfielder should be enough the other central midfielder should be creative either in a deep position or an advanced position.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39692.msg1083574#msg1083574 date=1270623327]
Last summer, I used to get shouted at for even daring to consider breaking up the esteemed gerrard, torres partnership.
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I still wouldn't break it up.
it shouldn't be that hard to find a CM who offers more going forwards than lucas. I will be fair to lucas though I think a lot of the reason he doesn't get forwards is because he is instructed to hang back, this wasn't a problem for xabi as he can hurt teams from a deep position but lucas simply doesn't have the passing range so should be given licence to get forwards.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39692.msg1083583#msg1083583 date=1270623693]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39692.msg1083574#msg1083574 date=1270623327]
Last summer, I used to get shouted at for even daring to consider breaking up the esteemed gerrard, torres partnership.
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I still wouldn't break it up.
it shouldn't be that hard to find a CM who offers more going forwards than lucas. I will be fair to lucas though I think a lot of the reason he doesn't get forwards is because he is instructed to hang back, this wasn't a problem for xabi as he can hurt teams from a deep position but lucas simply doesn't have the passing range so should be given licence to get forwards.
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I agree with this.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39692.msg1083585#msg1083585 date=1270623743]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39692.msg1083583#msg1083583 date=1270623693]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39692.msg1083574#msg1083574 date=1270623327]
Last summer, I used to get shouted at for even daring to consider breaking up the esteemed gerrard, torres partnership.
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I still wouldn't break it up.
it shouldn't be that hard to find a CM who offers more going forwards than lucas. I will be fair to lucas though I think a lot of the reason he doesn't get forwards is because he is instructed to hang back, this wasn't a problem for xabi as he can hurt teams from a deep position but lucas simply doesn't have the passing range so should be given licence to get forwards.
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I agree with this.
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I think rafa is a top manager (even now) but the purchase of keane was fucking IDIOCY, I said it at the time and absolutely NOTHING changed my mind the entire time keane was here. what a fucking waste of 20 million quid. you have the most prolific forward line in the league so where the fuck does keane fit? he sould have taken that money and bought the best wide player he could lay his hands on, just think of the wide players you could buy for 20 million pounds. major major fuck up.

this doesn't have a lot to do with CM but the fact is had we bought that wide player and he turned out to be a success then the load on CM now to be creative would be reduced.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39692.msg1083568#msg1083568 date=1270623005]
Yep, I've been thinking about this for a while now.

What we should have done when Xabi left, was to move Gerrard down in a central midfield role and bought a new nr 10. That could play behind Torres or upfront with him.

That player should have been Tevez or someone similar.

We could have bought another midfielder aswell. Cana went to Sunderland for 5 mill £, and would have been an excellent pick up.

Would have changed the season dramatically.
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I suggested this at the time. Torres is right - players like Xabi are rare. So rare in fact that there wasn't really a like-for-like player available when we sold him. There were certainly more potential support strikers we could have gone for than Xabi clones. Diego was my preference but there were others.

We either had to find a good fit, or adapt the way we play. Aquilani's signing and Benitez's talk of them being 'different' kinds of player looked like an intention to adapt the way we play. However, it is partly because we haven't adapted the way we play to accommodate for Xabi's loss, that we have struggled so badly this season.
 
Can we put to bed the myth that we spent 20m on Keane pls? He would of cost us this if he stayed for the duration. He didnt, so he didnt.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39692.msg1083616#msg1083616 date=1270627426]
We either had to find a good fit, or adapt the way we play. Aquilani's signing and Benitez's talk of them being 'different' kinds of player looked like an intention to adapt the way we play. However, it is partly because we haven't adapted the way we play to accommodate for Xabi's loss, that we have struggled so badly this season.
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At this poit I thought we were going to play 433, but alas, no
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39692.msg1083585#msg1083585 date=1270623743]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39692.msg1083583#msg1083583 date=1270623693]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39692.msg1083574#msg1083574 date=1270623327]
Last summer, I used to get shouted at for even daring to consider breaking up the esteemed gerrard, torres partnership.
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I still wouldn't break it up.
it shouldn't be that hard to find a CM who offers more going forwards than lucas. I will be fair to lucas though I think a lot of the reason he doesn't get forwards is because he is instructed to hang back, this wasn't a problem for xabi as he can hurt teams from a deep position but lucas simply doesn't have the passing range so should be given licence to get forwards.
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I agree with this.
[/quote] That's all well and good, but it hasn't worked this season. This should have been accepted and amended, and there's no doubt in my mind that gerrard should have been utilised at cm far more frequently this season.
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39692.msg1083549#msg1083549 date=1270621379]
Gerrard needs to be our engine. He was born for this job. If we'd never had Alonso we wouldn't be confused about this point.
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Thats horseshit because we DID have alonso, and we WERE a better team with him! Its Rafas fault that he's not here. Its Rafas fault by trying to replace him with Gareth fucking Barry (granted Alonso hadnt a great season the year before, but Gareth fucking Barry) and then eventually replacing him with the most injury prone player in Seria A.

Im also glad that Gerrard hasnt been asked to sit in midfield all season and be our engine because incase you havent been paying attention he's been shit this year. Also he's not the engine of the english team, nor is he played in the centre there either.....so not played in his born for position by two apparent world class managers!! Could it be that they see what us folk cant and that he is in fact better further up the pitch (when on top form) If it wasnt for mascher this season we'd be seriously fucked.

Its just frustration after frustration. We have to do something quick or face losing our best players. And because of Rafas stubbornness in general and retardedness in the transfer market we're not likely to do anything about it soon!

Its either that or we can just all blame Gareth fucking Barry!
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39692.msg1083568#msg1083568 date=1270623005]
Yep, I've been thinking about this for a while now.

What we should have done when Xabi left, was to move Gerrard down in a central midfield role and bought a new nr 10. That could play behind Torres or upfront with him.

That player should have been Tevez or someone similar.

We could have bought another midfielder aswell. Cana went to Sunderland for 5 mill £, and would have been an excellent pick up.

Would have changed the season dramatically.
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He bought Aquilani who I assume would play the No10 role with Gerrard dropping back. But lack of form has dictated this too risky to try.
 
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=39692.msg1083661#msg1083661 date=1270632717]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39692.msg1083549#msg1083549 date=1270621379]
Gerrard needs to be our engine. He was born for this job. If we'd never had Alonso we wouldn't be confused about this point.
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Thats horseshit because we DID have alonso, and we WERE a better team with him! Its Rafas fault that he's not here. Its Rafas fault by trying to replace him with Gareth fucking Barry (granted Alonso hadnt a great season the year before, but Gareth fucking Barry) and then eventually replacing him with the most injury prone player in Seria A.

Im also glad that Gerrard hasnt been asked to sit in midfield all season and be our engine because incase you havent been paying attention he's been shit this year. Also he's not the engine of the english team, nor is he played in the centre there either.....so not played in his born for position by two apparent world class managers!! Could it be that they see what us folk cant and that he is in fact better further up the pitch (when on top form) If it wasnt for mascher this season we'd be seriously fucked.

Its just frustration after frustration. We have to do something quick or face losing our best players. And because of Rafas stubbornness in general and retardedness in the transfer market we're not likely to do anything about it soon!

Its either that or we can just all blame Gareth fucking Barry!
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Gerrard's best position is obviously open to debate but if he had been playing in Lucas's place in the centre of midfield this season, then I'd wager we'd be much closer to fourth place.

And Gerrard has spent much of his time for England under Capello on the left wing. Do you suppose that Capello thinks that is his best position or do you think perhaps he's trying to field the best team available to him?
 
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