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Fernando Torres hints at Liverpool future


FERNANDO TORRES has told team-mates he is pledging his future to Liverpool.

Barcelona are being linked with a £70m move for the ­superstar striker this summer and Chelsea are also weighing up a bid.

But Reds goalkeeper Pepe Reina revealed he spoke to Torres this week as he wanted assurances that he is not about to quit Merseyside.

And the forward made it clear he is dedicated to helping ­boss Rafa Benitez turn around the club’s ailing fortunes.

The Liverpool stopper said: “I am calm about Fernando. I spoke to him about his future and he has told me that he ­intends to continue with us.

“Fernando suffered so many blows last season, but he is a professional and has always wanted to do well for us.

“That is why he remains ­committed to this club.â€

Benitez has also been linked with a switch away from Anfield as Juventus tracked him, and Inter Milan now have the Spaniard on their radar.

But Reina, who signed a new six-year contract in April, ­believes the Anfield chief is on a revenge mission.

He insists the entire club is united as they bid to put the past nine months behind them after Liverpool failed to win a single trophy – and dropped out of the top four. Reina explained: “I am ­convinced that Rafa will still be with us and that is good for us because he wants revenge in the next campaign.

“He is a coach who is able to relaunch Liverpool and to lead us to titles. Nobody can doubt his level.

“Things at our club were complicated from the first ­moment of last season, and our inconsistency eliminated our chance of doing well.

“But we can return to the top because for me this is the best club in the world. We all aspire to do well.â€

Meanwhile American ­cowboys Tom Hicks and George Gillett were told to catch the first stagecoach out of Liverpool yesterday – by the Liverpool Echo, regarded as the voice of Merseyside.

The city’s popular evening newspaper rarely courts ­controversy but it summed up the mood ­towards the Liverpool co-owners.

“Liverpool Football Club has been ­“systematically raped by its owners,†the Echo said in a front-page ­comment piece last night.

“After 3½ years of heartbreak and disharmony, of ­broken promises and shattered dreams, there can only be one ­conclusion.

“Enough is enough. Get out now – before you kill Liverpool FC.

“The Hicks and Gillett ­regime has been a shameful, ­unedifying catastrophe.â€

Though those are the views of most Liverpool fans, the Echo has never before been so outspoken and it illustrates how deeply loathed the two Americans are.
 
If Rafa is here first day of next season he will have my support. Until he fucks it all up again.
 
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Encouraging news.
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for the rest of the league.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40355.msg1107960#msg1107960 date=1274614406]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40355.msg1107958#msg1107958 date=1274614129]
Encouraging news.
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for the rest of the league.
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You don't like Torres?
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40355.msg1107959#msg1107959 date=1274614249]
If Rafa is here first day of next season he will have my support. Until he fucks it all up again.
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Pretty much.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40355.msg1107958#msg1107958 date=1274614129]
Encouraging news.
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for the rest of the league.
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You don't like Torres either?
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He'll play no more than two thirds of our league games next year and that's not enough.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40355.msg1107964#msg1107964 date=1274614805]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40355.msg1107961#msg1107961 date=1274614479]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40355.msg1107960#msg1107960 date=1274614406]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40355.msg1107958#msg1107958 date=1274614129]
Encouraging news.
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for the rest of the league.
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You don't like Torres either?
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He'll play no more than two thirds of our league games next year and that's not enough.

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It still doesn't make it 'good news for the rest of the league' though, because he will score goals, inevitably. If we get another striker and he's actually any good then that could be bad news for many a team.

Anyway, 116 appearances and 72 goals in three years suggests the maths are all over the place.
 
Mark we have absolutely no hope of competing without a major rebuild. Throw whatever Torres goal stats you want at me, I know how good he is but we have not won a thing with him and we won't do anything with him next year either.

He played 22 league games last year (scoring 18), he's going to the World Cup not fully fit and he'll most likely come back carrying some sort of injury.
 
Those Echo comments are exceptionally strong.

I suspect they're being more aggressive to try to counteract dying sales as locals shun the now Manchester based paper.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40355.msg1107968#msg1107968 date=1274615481]
Mark we have absolutely no hope of competing without a major rebuild. Throw whatever Torres goal stats you want at me, I know how good he is but we have not won a thing with him and we won't do anything with him next year either.

He played 22 league games last year (scoring 18), he's going to the World Cup not fully fit and he'll most likely come back carrying some sort of injury.



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The point is we need another striker, we also need to keep our best players to limit the amount of rebuilding we have to do. Gerrard has suffered fits and starts throughout his career, but we wouldn't have achieved half of what we've done without him. It's important we keep those two, then I'd suggest it's important Rafa stops buying injury prone players and actually does his homework on their positioning and suitability to the Premiership and our own system.
 
I'd sell Torres for 70+M if the right manager were here to spend it.
 
pepe is slowly but surely becoming my favorite player. I would make him captain, seriosuly, but that would definately push stevie out the door.
 
Good on you Pepe..

If all the 1st teamers came out and gave Rafa their backing id be happy to see him given another year...

however.. if they are all over it then he has to go.. As do the ego's.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40355.msg1107968#msg1107968 date=1274615481]
Mark we have absolutely no hope of competing without a major rebuild. Throw whatever Torres goal stats you want at me, I know how good he is but we have not won a thing with him and we won't do anything with him next year either.

He played 22 league games last year (scoring 18), he's going to the World Cup not fully fit and he'll most likely come back carrying some sort of injury.



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would you sell him then? i completely agree with your reasoning, and i've been saying similar for a while, but it's such a bold leap from that cold logic to actually wanting to cash in... i just can't make it.

every factor to me says sell - his 'optimal' age, probable world cup inflation, probable world cup fitness hangover, no money, desperately thin squad, no realistic hope of winning the big titles - but the risks to our standing as a club of selling torres, and then probably gerrard & mascherano as well, are pretty frightening imo. money might not mean much in those circumstances.

i think the only one who could handle the rebuilding job under those implosive pressures would be mourinho. as it is, i think our best hope is to try to hang on to our foundations like gerrard and torres until we're sold and put on less precarious ground.
 
torres' injuries are a problem but REAL problem is who steps in when he is injuried.

star striker is injuried who step in
manu - berbatosh (ha ha okay bad example)
chelsea - anelka
man city - bellemy
spurs - crouch
liverpool - n'gog
 
as for selling torres, it depends on whether we get new owners or not. we get new owners then we'll want to build on good players if we don't get new new owners then we are going to have to gamble on rebuilding the squad by selling the stars.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40355.msg1107996#msg1107996 date=1274624591]
as for selling torres, it depends on whether we get new owners or not. we get new owners then we'll want to build on good players if we don't get new new owners then we are going to have to gamble on rebuilding the squad by selling the stars.
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like i say, i'd really worry about taking that gamble given how unstable we are. this isn't like wenger selling anelka or henry - that was judicious 'renewal'. sell torres, and gerrard and mascherano will probably follow, and then you're seriously at risk of our allure going with them, and any hope of effectively replacing them. things like our standard chartered sponsorship won't last long if we run down our 'brand'.

i'm not saying a major rebuild COULDN'T work, but it does make me nervous.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40355.msg1107996#msg1107996 date=1274624591]
as for selling torres, it depends on whether we get new owners or not. we get new owners then we'll want to build on good players if we don't get new new owners then we are going to have to gamble on rebuilding the squad by selling the stars.
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like i say, i'd really worry about taking that gamble given how unstable we are. this isn't like wenger selling anelka or henry - that was judicious 'renewal'. sell torres, and gerrard and mascherano will probably follow, and then you're seriously at risk of our allure going with them, and any hope of effectively replacing them. things like our standard chartered sponsorship won't last long if we run down our 'brand'.

i'm not saying a major rebuild COULDN'T work, but it does make me nervous.
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exactly how I feel. He's in his prime.

You could justify Gerrard through age, but us selling arguably the best striker in the world when he hasn't even reached his prime would tell everyone we weren't good enough to keep him.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40355.msg1107968#msg1107968 date=1274615481]
Mark we have absolutely no hope of competing without a major rebuild. Throw whatever Torres goal stats you want at me, I know how good he is but we have not won a thing with him and we won't do anything with him next year either.

He played 22 league games last year (scoring 18), he's going to the World Cup not fully fit and he'll most likely come back carrying some sort of injury.



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would you sell him then? i completely agree with your reasoning, and i've been saying similar for a while, but it's such a bold leap from that cold logic to actually wanting to cash in... i just can't make it.

every factor to me says sell - his 'optimal' age, probable world cup inflation, probable world cup fitness hangover, no money, desperately thin squad, no realistic hope of winning the big titles - but the risks to our standing as a club of selling torres, and then probably gerrard & mascherano as well, are pretty frightening imo. money might not mean much in those circumstances.

i think the only one who could handle the rebuilding job under those implosive pressures would be mourinho. as it is, i think our best hope is to try to hang on to our foundations like gerrard and torres until we're sold and put on less precarious ground.
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I would if the right offer came in for him.

I'd go a lot further than just sell Torres though, we're spending more than we can really afford on wages and we've got no glory to show for it. It's time to cut our cloth to measure, regroup and begin again for me. And we need some real financial flexibility in order to do that.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40355.msg1107968#msg1107968 date=1274615481]
Mark we have absolutely no hope of competing without a major rebuild. Throw whatever Torres goal stats you want at me, I know how good he is but we have not won a thing with him and we won't do anything with him next year either.

He played 22 league games last year (scoring 18), he's going to the World Cup not fully fit and he'll most likely come back carrying some sort of injury.



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would you sell him then? i completely agree with your reasoning, and i've been saying similar for a while, but it's such a bold leap from that cold logic to actually wanting to cash in... i just can't make it.

every factor to me says sell - his 'optimal' age, probable world cup inflation, probable world cup fitness hangover, no money, desperately thin squad, no realistic hope of winning the big titles - but the risks to our standing as a club of selling torres, and then probably gerrard & mascherano as well, are pretty frightening imo. money might not mean much in those circumstances.

i think the only one who could handle the rebuilding job under those implosive pressures would be mourinho. as it is, i think our best hope is to try to hang on to our foundations like gerrard and torres until we're sold and put on less precarious ground.
[/quote]

I would if the right offer came in for him.

I'd go a lot further than just sell Torres though, we're spending more than we can really afford on wages and we've got no glory to show for it. It's time to cut our cloth to measure, regroup and begin again for me. And we need some real financial flexibility in order to do that.



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what would be the long-term goal?

the only way i see us getting the ground built would be having new owners, in which case scaling back on costs becomes unnecessary - as far as i can see we've got the potential to compete at the top, we 'just' need investors to fund its realisation.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40355.msg1107968#msg1107968 date=1274615481]
Mark we have absolutely no hope of competing without a major rebuild. Throw whatever Torres goal stats you want at me, I know how good he is but we have not won a thing with him and we won't do anything with him next year either.

He played 22 league games last year (scoring 18), he's going to the World Cup not fully fit and he'll most likely come back carrying some sort of injury.



[/quote]

would you sell him then? i completely agree with your reasoning, and i've been saying similar for a while, but it's such a bold leap from that cold logic to actually wanting to cash in... i just can't make it.

every factor to me says sell - his 'optimal' age, probable world cup inflation, probable world cup fitness hangover, no money, desperately thin squad, no realistic hope of winning the big titles - but the risks to our standing as a club of selling torres, and then probably gerrard & mascherano as well, are pretty frightening imo. money might not mean much in those circumstances.

i think the only one who could handle the rebuilding job under those implosive pressures would be mourinho. as it is, i think our best hope is to try to hang on to our foundations like gerrard and torres until we're sold and put on less precarious ground.
[/quote]

I would if the right offer came in for him.

I'd go a lot further than just sell Torres though, we're spending more than we can really afford on wages and we've got no glory to show for it. It's time to cut our cloth to measure, regroup and begin again for me. And we need some real financial flexibility in order to do that.



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There is a lot of logic in what you say Ross but on the other hand if we have a realistic chance of being sold in the next six months, to owners that have some money to spend on squad/team rebuliding, then it might be better to hold on to them both.
Players like Torres and Gerrard are very special and are extremly hard to come by. It would be shame if new owners wasted time and money next season on buying proper replacements for G&T just because we off loaded the real thing this year.

However if investment is as unlikely as I fear it is in the short term,then we might just have to go down the road of costcutting and frugality that you suggest, while bracing ourselves for consistent mid term mediocrity for the short/medium term.

What Peterhague said earlier about knowing it is probably being the right thing to do but being afraid of the consequences pretty much captures how I feel on the matter.
 
If we sell gerrard we should buy rodwell. 19 years of age, reminds me of a young gerrard.
as for torres if we sell him we will need 2 strikers to replace him. dzeko/aguero ..
 
Gotta love this place. Post a rumour about Torres leaving and people are up in arms about the state of our club. Reina says Fernando is staying and we discuss how it may be best if he goes.
 
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If we sell gerrard we should buy rodwell. 19 years of age, reminds me of a young gerrard.
as for torres if we sell him we will need 2 strikers to replace him. dzeko/aguero ..
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Rodwell is Utds player.

It's inevitable, unfortunately. Poss next summer not this one though.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=40355.msg1108023#msg1108023 date=1274634007]
Gotta love this place. Post a rumour about Torres leaving and people are up in arms about the state of our club. Reina says Fernando is staying and we discuss how it may be best if he goes.
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I've said I'd sell Torres all summer, as has Ross, I think.

So who are you on about?
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=40355.msg1108017#msg1108017 date=1274631007]
If we sell gerrard we should buy rodwell. 19 years of age, reminds me of a young gerrard.
as for torres if we sell him we will need 2 strikers to replace him. dzeko/aguero ..
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Why do you keep saying this zlatan? We have n chance of signing Rodwell. He goes to utd or stays where he is.
 
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[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=40355.msg1108017#msg1108017 date=1274631007]
If we sell gerrard we should buy rodwell. 19 years of age, reminds me of a young gerrard.
as for torres if we sell him we will need 2 strikers to replace him. dzeko/aguero ..
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Why do you keep saying this zlatan? We have n chance of signing Rodwell. He goes to utd or stays where he is.
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Jack Rodwell signs £30,000-a-week, five-year deal to stay at Everton

• Move scuppers hopes of Manchester United and Arsenal
• Teenager's signature is a boost for manager David Moyes

Dominic Fifield The Guardian, Monday 24 May 2010 Article history


The highly rated Everton midfielder Jack Rodwell will today sign a new five-year contract at Goodison Park to scupper any lingering hopes Manchester United and Arsenal retained of securing the talented teenager this summer.

The 19-year-old, an England Under-21 international, played 36 times for David Moyes' side last season having progressed through the youth ranks at the club. Negotiations over the new deal have been protracted and the contract is worth around £30,000 a week, reflecting his value in the squad, with Rodwell following Tim Cahill and the young full-back Seamus Coleman, on loan at Blackpool, in extending their stays on Merseyside.

United had hoped to lure Rodwell away from Everton as they did the 18-year-old Wayne Rooney back in 2004, with Arsène Wenger also a keen admirer of a player comfortable both in central defence and midfield, but Moyes has managed to persuade the teenager that he will benefit more from regular first-team football at the club. He has already played more than 50 games for Everton and scored his first senior goal as a 17-year-old, and his manager has compared his development to that of the new England captain, Rio Ferdinand.

"He's so comfortable on the ball," said Moyes. "He is best in central midfield at the moment but, by the time he's 23 or 24, he may be a top centre-half. Rio started in central midfield and eventually moved back. Jack has similar qualities."

The Everton manager will be reassured at retaining a player around whom this club can shape its future. Everton are expected to open contract talks with Leighton Baines, most likely after the World Cup should the left-back be retained in Fabio Capello's squad for the finals, and are confident of warding off interest from rivals in their Spanish midfielder, Mikel Arteta.
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