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is 'dago' an offensive term, really, though? don't these things usually have to have been associated with actual real-life discrimination and suffering to be considered taboo?

words like dago, eyetie (however you spell that), paddy, frog, kraut - they're more just politically incorrect than meaningfully vicious, surely? not something you'd probably use in front of that particular nationality, but they'd hardly alter my opinion of a person who used them from time to time.


as for tommy smith, whatever the truth of those quotes - and i believe them, personally - i saw him on john barnes's show on LFC tv a while ago and they seemed to get on fine, so hopefully he's tried to broaden his mind just a bit.
 
"Dago" comes from "Diego" apparently, is that really that bad? I've never heard it used in real life so a genuine question.
 
Are people going to start arguing that "Paki" and "Wog" and "Nigger" have their roots in harmless wordplay next ?

What about "Spick" or "Kike" ?

Is every "PERCIEVED RACIAL SLUR" just some hysterical nonsense on the part of the Darkies ?

How about "I will fucking kick the living shit out of you if you use those words in my presence" ?

What about that ?
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369154#msg1369154 date=1311449836]
Soooooooo anyone else care to explain why "Dago" is considered so offensive?
[/quote]

You know what ?

I don't know why.

Like I don't know why "Spick" or "Kike" is.

I just do.
 
I've been called most names (yeah yeah i know) during my time, but i've never been offended by someone calling me a taffy.

I didn't know what "Dago" meant so i looked it up, to me it sounds similar to calling a welshman a taffy or an irishman a paddy.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46209.msg1369162#msg1369162 date=1311451228]
Themn?
[/quote]

What ?
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369165#msg1369165 date=1311451673]
I've been called most names (yeah yeah i know) during my time, but i've never been offended by someone calling me a taffy.

I didn't know what "Dago" meant so i looked it up, to me it sounds similar to calling a welshman a taffy or an irishman a paddy.
[/quote]

Well, bully for you.

Have you ever considered that *some* Latino *might* be offended the terms "Dago" and/or "Spick" ?
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369154#msg1369154 date=1311449836]
Soooooooo anyone else care to explain why "Dago" is considered so offensive?
[/quote]

i don't really think it is. imo all generic slang terms for a particular nationality or race (from 'frog' to 'dago') are automatically very mildly offensive because they're inherently disrespectful and tend to feed stereotyping, but it takes a particular association with hateful usage to turn them into really taboo words. as far as i'm aware, relatively few racist terms are literally offensive ('paki', 'abbo', and 'yid', are all just abbreviations of perfectly normal words, for example), but it's how they're used and who uses them that makes them unacceptable.

therefore because there's never been any really pernicious discrimination against, say, the Spanish, in our recent history, nor any really hateful use of 'dago', then personally i find it hard to see it as seriously offensive. i mean, how about, say, 'jock'? is that offensive?
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46209.msg1369169#msg1369169 date=1311452215]
Peterhague hits the nail on the head.
[/quote]

Of course he does.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369167#msg1369167 date=1311451983]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369165#msg1369165 date=1311451673]
I've been called most names (yeah yeah i know) during my time, but i've never been offended by someone calling me a taffy.

I didn't know what "Dago" meant so i looked it up, to me it sounds similar to calling a welshman a taffy or an irishman a paddy.
[/quote]

Well, bully for you.

Have you ever considered that *some* Latino *might* be offended the terms "Dago" and/or "Spick" ?
[/quote]

Have you ever considered trying to talk through your viewpoint with out getting all arsey?
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46209.msg1369168#msg1369168 date=1311452141]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369154#msg1369154 date=1311449836]
Soooooooo anyone else care to explain why "Dago" is considered so offensive?
[/quote]

i don't really think it is. imo all generic slang terms for a particular nationality or race (from 'frog' to 'dago') are automatically very mildly offensive because they're inherently disrespectful and tend to feed stereotyping, but it takes a particular association with hateful usage to turn them into really taboo words. as far as i'm aware, relatively few racist terms are literally offensive ('****', 'abbo', and 'yid', are all just abbreviations of perfectly normal words, for example), but it's how they're used and who uses them that makes them unacceptable.

therefore because there's never been any really pernicious discrimination against, say, the Spanish, in our recent history, nor any really hateful use of 'dago', then personally i find it hard to see it as seriously offensive. i mean, how about, say, 'jock'? is that offensive?
[/quote]

Cheers Pete.
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369172#msg1369172 date=1311452955]
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369167#msg1369167 date=1311451983]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369165#msg1369165 date=1311451673]
I've been called most names (yeah yeah i know) during my time, but i've never been offended by someone calling me a taffy.

I didn't know what "Dago" meant so i looked it up, to me it sounds similar to calling a welshman a taffy or an irishman a paddy.
[/quote]

Well, bully for you.

Have you ever considered that *some* Latino *might* be offended the terms "Dago" and/or "Spick" ?
[/quote]

Have you ever considered trying to talk through your viewpoint with out getting all arsey?
[/quote]

Where's the arsey-ness in my statement (above) ?
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46209.msg1369162#msg1369162 date=1311451228]
Themn?
[/quote]

Well ?

Stop *biting your tongue* and say what's on your mind.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369175#msg1369175 date=1311453244]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369172#msg1369172 date=1311452955]
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369167#msg1369167 date=1311451983]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369165#msg1369165 date=1311451673]
I've been called most names (yeah yeah i know) during my time, but i've never been offended by someone calling me a taffy.

I didn't know what "Dago" meant so i looked it up, to me it sounds similar to calling a welshman a taffy or an irishman a paddy.
[/quote]

Well, bully for you.

Have you ever considered that *some* Latino *might* be offended the terms "Dago" and/or "Spick" ?
[/quote]

Have you ever considered trying to talk through your viewpoint with out getting all arsey?
[/quote]

Where's the arsey-ness in my statement (above) ?
[/quote]

A few of your posts in this thread come across to me that way mate.

Anyways i'm off to watch the boxing where in which i hope to see the paddy get knocked out.
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369177#msg1369177 date=1311454192]
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369175#msg1369175 date=1311453244]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369172#msg1369172 date=1311452955]
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369167#msg1369167 date=1311451983]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46209.msg1369165#msg1369165 date=1311451673]
I've been called most names (yeah yeah i know) during my time, but i've never been offended by someone calling me a taffy.

I didn't know what "Dago" meant so i looked it up, to me it sounds similar to calling a welshman a taffy or an irishman a paddy.
[/quote]

Well, bully for you.

Have you ever considered that *some* Latino *might* be offended the terms "Dago" and/or "Spick" ?
[/quote]

Have you ever considered trying to talk through your viewpoint with out getting all arsey?
[/quote]

Where's the arsey-ness in my statement (above) ?
[/quote]

A few of your posts in this thread come across to me that way mate.

Anyways i'm off to watch the boxing where in which i hope to see the paddy get knocked out.
[/quote]

Well, that's your mis-interpretation.

Well done for your little joke.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369176#msg1369176 date=1311453726]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46209.msg1369162#msg1369162 date=1311451228]
Themn?
[/quote]

Well ?

Stop *biting your tongue* and say what's on your mind.
[/quote]

Shut the fuck up.

Sit the fuck down and watch blazing saddles.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46209.msg1369003#msg1369003 date=1311433449]
tommy smith can go fuck himself
[/quote]

Not with his knees he can't.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369148#msg1369148 date=1311447083]
Ok, I hear you, but have you read the quotes that Modo has found ? (they're from Wikipedidia, but still).
[/quote]

I read them, and they are disgusting if they are true and noy said in jest. Even in jest they are clearly stupid becuase some people will inevitably be mortally offended by them, but I read them then as a mistake rather than the hatred that would disgust me.

And for the record, you're absolutely right, of course all these terms are potentially extremely offensive, inflammatory and dangerous. There are some rare circumstances where it can be ok, amusing, perhaps even bonding to some degree to have a little joke like that between two friends of different ethnic backgrounds, but thei idea that these circumstances should be taken as the norm is ridiculous and ignorant of the tensions that many people feel in day to day life.
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=46209.msg1369205#msg1369205 date=1311475109]
[quote author=themn link=topic=46209.msg1369148#msg1369148 date=1311447083]
Ok, I hear you, but have you read the quotes that Modo has found ? (they're from Wikipedidia, but still).
[/quote]

I read them, and they are disgusting if they are true and noy said in jest. Even in jest they are clearly stupid becuase some people will inevitably be mortally offended by them, but I read them then as a mistake rather than the hatred that would disgust me.

And for the record, you're absolutely right, of course all these terms are potentially extremely offensive, inflammatory and dangerous. There are some rare circumstances where it can be ok, amusing, perhaps even bonding to some degree to have a little joke like that between two friends of different ethnic backgrounds, but thei idea that these circumstances should be taken as the norm is ridiculous and ignorant of the tensions that many people feel in day to day life.
[/quote]

Wow that is serious 😉
 
What a fucking stupid thread, I'm sorry I started it now, it was about wingers.

Two things in the thread worth reading, Peters excellent post above and Kenny4pm's quip. The end.
 
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On behalf of Spider Neil, Modo, Myself and other Nubian Princes here to fore (or whatever) we think that you White Devil Slave Master Crackers are DEAD ace !

: )
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46209.msg1369554#msg1369554 date=1311544274]
What a fucking stupid thread, I'm sorry I started it now, it was about wingers.

Two things in the thread worth reading, Peters excellent post above and Kenny4pm's quip. The end.
[/quote]

Indeed.
 
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