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I make no apologies , and admit I don't like the idea of an unelected unofficial fans group speaking on my behalf when they have no mandate to do so. I've been a season ticket holder for near 40 years and queued every match day for 10 years or more prior to that, my first season ticket was an Anny Road "ground" season ticket- I've spent thousands and thousands with the club - The problem with SoS is a lot of their support can come from who knows who and where. At the start of the Hicks and Gillet thing there were even suggestions one of the leading lights was a bluenose - they stiffed Purslow over publishing unsubstantiated minutes from a confidential meeting and had the Munich sing debacle at one of their meetings, they are not likely white - I know not everyone who is a member or supports their ethos is part of a rabble, quite the reverse the vast majority have the interests of the club at heart. I don't want to see this as a little bit of power that shop-stewards like McKenna can climb on and it end up like some bad dream from the seventies.
I was there then and a Union member I saw how they operated and it was I democratic with unrelated people making decisions - they closed a massive amount of Liverpool manufacturing.

I didn't walk on Saturday not because I agreed with the ticket hike, but , like many did not know enough to make an informed decision at that point.
For example not until Monday did I know that there were only 200 of the devisive £77 tickets and then only the six times a year
Many people I spoke to who did walk did not realise that either, or the details on the rest of the proposals but were led by the nose.
Had this happened at the next match they may well have made the same decision but at least they would have done it for the right reasons.

The club have done the right thing and it should be accepted as such with no caveats.

I promote caution.

Spot on. SOS rely on very traditional, simplistic and limited strategies to communicate their arguments and aims, and, in doing so, they deliberately bypass any actual, open and public channels for such concerns. Now, unless you're a relativist who stupidly thinks that freedom fighting and terrorism (for example) are essentially the same thing but just with positive and negative names, you need to acknowledge, boring and unflashy though it is, that you first need to use the formal means of communication and see how real and willing the people who offer it are. Only then, if you find it a sham, do you resort to Fred Kite-lite activism. SOS are always going to help get certain things changed (although, as much as they like to claim all the credit, it's never just them), but that doesn't mean that by opposing their illegitimate claims to speak for the fans in general, and their dubious and ill-thought-out tactics, one is taking a 'sly pop' at them. It's an overt pop, thank you very much.

When FSG came in they made much of their willingness to give the fans a voice and to listen and act on their concerns. No matter how sceptical one might have been about that, there was a need to take them up on the offer and challenge them to turn words into deeds. SOS, on that basis, should have seized on that offer, given their supposedly simple and noble idea to help the fans as a whole. But they didn't. They cared more about being SOS than communicating with the club. Working with the club, or trying to, would have seen them absorbed back into the fanbase, with their separate identity erased, and they hated that thought.

So they don't deserve the prominence that they demand for themselves and their actions, let alone the self-serving mythology that they promote.
 
Just back to FSG - we do need to be careful with how things are approached as far as keeping them inside - We don't want them getting fed up of a load of shite and offload us at a knockdown price to Gid knows who - better the devil you know.
As it happens with the H&G situation nobody could have been worse so we could not lose
 
I have to say the action was very effective and involved more people than I was expecting , but correct me if I'm wrong but this wasn't even SoS idea , it was another fans group wasn't it?
 
Spot on. SOS rely on very traditional, simplistic and limited strategies to communicate their arguments and aims, and, in doing so, they deliberately bypass any actual, open and public channels for such concerns. Now, unless you're a relativist who stupidly thinks that freedom fighting and terrorism (for example) are essentially the same thing but just with positive and negative names, you need to acknowledge, boring and unflashy though it is, that you first need to use the formal means of communication and see how real and willing the people who offer it are. Only then, if you find it a sham, do you resort to Fred Kite-lite activism. SOS are always going to help get certain things changed (although, as much as they like to claim all the credit, it's never just them), but that doesn't mean that by opposing their illegitimate claims to speak for the fans in general, and their dubious and ill-thought-out tactics, one is taking a 'sly pop' at them. It's an overt pop, thank you very much.

When FSG came in they made much of their willingness to give the fans a voice and to listen and act on their concerns. No matter how sceptical one might have been about that, there was a need to take them up on the offer and challenge them to turn words into deeds. SOS, on that basis, should have seized on that offer, given their supposedly simple and noble idea to help the fans as a whole. But they didn't. They cared more about being SOS than communicating with the club. Working with the club, or trying to, would have seen them absorbed back into the fanbase, with their separate identity erased, and they hated that thought.

So they don't deserve the prominence that they demand for themselves and their actions, let alone the self-serving mythology that they promote.

The fans committee worked on the ticketing with the club for 13 months. You could consider these open channels. The club decided not to listen to the concerns that were raised on the supporters committee and the new failed ticket pricing structure was introduced. Now when such open channels fail other methods of protest are completely valid in my view. It was also the Spion Kop 1906 group who initiated the protest not SOS. You can knock SOS all you like but without them and their internet warriors we could still be suffering under Hicks and Gillett. They actually did something whilst others sat on their arses assuming everything was going to be OK whilst the club fell apart to the worst state in it's post war history.

I agree with some points that you have to balance the protests somewhat. We can't come across as such militant supporters that we are viewed as not worth either the investment or the hassle - as I say all about the balance between club and supporters - we have to get it right. I'm not prepared to have a pop though when groups are protesting for valid reasons and actually affect positive change.
 
I have to say the action was very effective and involved more people than I was expecting , but correct me if I'm wrong but this wasn't even SoS idea , it was another fans group wasn't it?

Aye. Spion Kop 1906. Their aim is to retain the atmosphere on the Kop and in the ground. Responsible for all the flags etc..
 
Without them coming in we would have done a Leeds. I suggest you go out and make hundreds of millions of pounds then buy the club and then do what you want with it.

They did stop us from facing financial ruin but first of all it wasn't any fault of the fans that we were in that position it was because Hicks and Gillete had ballsed it up and secondly FSG didn't buy us (for a knock down price) out of any altruistic intentions but to make money themselves.
They may have stated at the time and still maintain that they were in it because they want to win things for Liverpool but how many times in the last few years have Werner and Henry been over to Anfield as it seems they care less and less about the footballing side of the club.

We have a Chief Executive in Ian Ayre that is very capable when it comes to financial and commercial matters but who consistently fails when it comes to transfer negotiations whether that be by not acting swiftly and decisively enough (Delle Alli for example) or paying vastly inflated transfer fees for players like Lallana , Benteke and Lovren. He's also made numerous PR gaffes but still is responsible for the footballing side of the club as well as the financial. Who in their right minds would let someone who wastes so much money keep conducting transfer business?


There's no way I'm going to act grateful to them for backtracking from something they shouldn't have done in the first place.
As regards to me making hundreds of millions of pounds to buy the club I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there but it seems a bit petty.

I've no idea of whether you go to games or not but the match day fans voted with their feet last week and it's at least had some affect.
 
The fans committee worked on the ticketing with the club for 13 months. .

Yes, and I don't think many people regard the composition of that committee as sufficiently representative of the broader fan base, nor impressive enough in how it acts, but that is hardly unusual in such contexts. The point is it needs to be focussed on and improved, not ignored from the start because it didn't come from RAWK's preening grandees.
 
I have to say the action was very effective and involved more people than I was expecting , but correct me if I'm wrong but this wasn't even SoS idea , it was another fans group wasn't it?

It came from several groups, largely independent of each other, who then came together to organise it as an event. But SOS rushed to dominate the media interviews and press releases that followed.
 
Yes, and I don't think many people regard the composition of that committee as sufficiently representative of the broader fan base, nor impressive enough in how it acts, but that is hardly unusual in such contexts. The point is it needs to be focussed on and improved, not ignored from the start because it didn't come from RAWK's preening grandees.

Agreed on the fans committee composition. I'm not close enough to some of these main fans players to make a judgement on their characters. I'm not full on militancy, no, but I do believe theres a time when people have to stand up and be seen or heard and I think Saturday was one of those. The whole 200 x £77 tickets was a bit of a misdirection anyway. I think, under the new pricing structure, 70% of the tickets would have been more than £55. It was too expensive and it's easy to say don't buy a ticket if you don't want to pay that but there's people for whom that is not a choice. They cannot afford it full stop and then going to the game becomes exclusive to those who have the financial means.

Unlike @davud graham though I think FSG have shown some humility here and we as fans need to accept that and not purposely make their lives more difficult again without valid reason. They are not Hicks and Gillet. We cannot act like the spoiled child who knows when they kick and scream they'll get their own way - that will not work long term.
 
Of course there's a time when such tactics are necessary and will work, but groups need to be extremely aware that it's a weapon one needs to use sparely. Everything about SOS, from the beginning, is geared to 1970s-style activist strategies. The most dangerous people to get involved in politics are the people who love politics. It becomes an end in itself. If someone could wave a magic wand and make everything at LFC perfectly admirable and efficient, the SOS boys would be plunged into despair.
 
All that happened at the weekend was some fans walked out of the stadium 13 minutes early.It wasn't militant and it wasn't dangerous and no one got hurt so let's not make out that the fans groups and the people involved in the walkout did anything extreme as it wasn't at all. Too much scaremongering about fans groups on here. Simply if you don't agree with the actions they propose or advocate then don't get involved. I have no problem with the people who didn't walk out last Saturday as it's the individual's choice in the end.

It resonated with the media and ultimately with the owners as it showed that a lot of usually fiercely loyal supporters were discontent.
 
Well, technically it was militant, but it wasn't violent. Nothing wrong with that, but if you're aiming to campaign to get far-reaching long term changes, it's this reliance on visible gestures that undermines the chances of achieving the more complex aims in the long run, because groups will keep having to sit down and think of how they can top the last event/action. So good it's had an impact but more time, effort and thought needs to go into talking to, and with, the owners on a regular basis.
 
Of course there's a time when such tactics are necessary and will work, but groups need to be extremely aware that it's a weapon one needs to use sparely. Everything about SOS, from the beginning, is geared to 1970s-style activist strategies. The most dangerous people to get involved in politics are the people who love politics. It becomes an end in itself. If someone could wave a magic wand and make everything at LFC perfectly admirable and efficient, the SOS boys would be plunged into despair.

I have to share this overall sentiment, in that almost everyone who wants to get involved in politics is inherently not to be trusted, because they want to get involved in politics. It's all about power and inflicting your will on others. Which is why I am quite happy to dislike Conservatives as much as I dislike Labour. And I dislike them even more now Corbyn is in charge of the opposition.

This does make voting quite irksome.
 
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Who is the fans committee ? No one has asked me or Portly if we want to get involved?

A horrible hotch-potch of minor celebs and fans. Elect Vlad and Ports!!



These are the most industrious regulars at the meetings:

Honorary President: Karen Gill
Email: HonoraryPresident@liverpoolfcsc.com
Disabled Supporters: Katie Price
Email: Disabled-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Supporters: Paul Amann
Email: LGBT-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Female Supporters: Tara Fisher
Email: Female-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) Supporters: Yunus Lunat
Email: BAMEsupporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Season Ticket Holders and Hospitality: Tony Fitzgerald
Email: Standhospitality-supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Non Season Ticket Holders & Official Members: Roy Heaney
Email: nonsthandmembers@liverpoolfcsc.com
Official Supporters' Clubs: Lee Foley
Email: LFC-Official-Supporters-Clubs@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters in the Merseyside area: Graham Smith
Email: Merseyside-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
International Supporters: Matthew Selby
Email: International-east@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters who attend away games: Anna Burgess
Email: away-game-supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Family Match Goers: Ian Byrne
Email: Family-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters Under 25: Bella Ainsworth
Email: Supporters-under25@liverpoolfcsc.com
 
Well, technically it was militant, but it wasn't violent. Nothing wrong with that, but if you're aiming to campaign to get far-reaching long term changes, it's this reliance on visible gestures that undermines the chances of achieving the more complex aims in the long run, because groups will keep having to sit down and think of how they can top the last event/action. So good it's had an impact but more time, effort and thought needs to go into talking to, and with, the owners on a regular basis.
I mostly agree with that macca but it depends not just on who is on the supporters committee but who the club has tasked with dealing with them. If it's Ayre then it could be difficult as he's shown barely concealed contempt for the fans in the last week alone.

It would be much better if the fans were better represented by groups/supporters unions as they are in Germany and other places but there isn't the same level of organisation and unity amongst our fanbase unfortunately.

And technically it wasn't militant really. The google definition of militant is 'favouring confrontational or violent methods in support of a political or social cause' and it was hardly confrontational but pretty passive.
 
A horrible hotch-potch of minor celebs and fans. Elect Vlad and Ports!!



These are the most industrious regulars at the meetings:

Honorary President: Karen Gill
Email: HonoraryPresident@liverpoolfcsc.com
Disabled Supporters: Katie Price
Email: Disabled-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Supporters: Paul Amann
Email: LGBT-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Female Supporters: Tara Fisher
Email: Female-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) Supporters: Yunus Lunat
Email: BAMEsupporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Season Ticket Holders and Hospitality: Tony Fitzgerald
Email: Standhospitality-supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Non Season Ticket Holders & Official Members: Roy Heaney
Email: nonsthandmembers@liverpoolfcsc.com
Official Supporters' Clubs: Lee Foley
Email: LFC-Official-Supporters-Clubs@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters in the Merseyside area: Graham Smith
Email: Merseyside-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
International Supporters: Matthew Selby
Email: International-east@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters who attend away games: Anna Burgess
Email: away-game-supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Family Match Goers: Ian Byrne
Email: Family-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters Under 25: Bella Ainsworth
Email: Supporters-under25@liverpoolfcsc.com

If there's a separate group for ethnic minorities, lesbians, young supporters, away fans, and people who like eating & drinking, I genuinely think there may well be room for an "over 65" group of grumpy, grizzled old-timers who are allowed to have a say. I mean that in the most polite way.
 
I mostly agree with that macca but it depends not just on who is on the supporters committee but who the club has tasked with dealing with them. If it's Ayre then it could be difficult as he's shown barely concealed contempt for the fans in the last week alone.

It would be much better if the fans were better represented by groups/supporters unions as they are in Germany and other places but there isn't the same level of organisation and unity amongst our fanbase unfortunately.

And technically it wasn't militant really. The google definition of militant is 'favouring confrontational or violent methods in support of a political or social cause' and it was hardly confrontational but pretty passive.

Militant, in political theory, traditionally means 'resorting to bypass orthodox channels of pressure and protest'. That's the sense I mean.
 
A horrible hotch-potch of minor celebs and fans. Elect Vlad and Ports!!



These are the most industrious regulars at the meetings:

Honorary President: Karen Gill
Email: HonoraryPresident@liverpoolfcsc.com
Disabled Supporters: Katie Price
Email: Disabled-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Supporters: Paul Amann
Email: LGBT-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Female Supporters: Tara Fisher
Email: Female-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) Supporters: Yunus Lunat
Email: BAMEsupporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Season Ticket Holders and Hospitality: Tony Fitzgerald
Email: Standhospitality-supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Non Season Ticket Holders & Official Members: Roy Heaney
Email: nonsthandmembers@liverpoolfcsc.com
Official Supporters' Clubs: Lee Foley
Email: LFC-Official-Supporters-Clubs@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters in the Merseyside area: Graham Smith
Email: Merseyside-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
International Supporters: Matthew Selby
Email: International-east@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters who attend away games: Anna Burgess
Email: away-game-supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Family Match Goers: Ian Byrne
Email: Family-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com
Supporters Under 25: Bella Ainsworth
Email: Supporters-under25@liverpoolfcsc.com
The candidates came from an interesting cross section of the City
Applicants in the Supporters Under 25 category:

Applicants in the Females Fans category:

Applicants in the Official Supporters Clubs category:

Applicants in the Family Match Goers category:



Applicants in the Season Ticket Holders & Hospitality Category:

 
The candidates came from an interesting cross section of the City
Applicants in the Supporters Under 25 category:

Applicants in the Females Fans category:

Applicants in the Official Supporters Clubs category:

Applicants in the Family Match Goers category:



Applicants in the Season Ticket Holders & Hospitality Category:


Season-ticket holder from Portishead?! That's three hours each way. Good lad! No wonder he wants to ensure the hospitality facilities are up to scratch. I'd be asking for a pre-match nap room.
 
It's a bit hard to be both ginger and anonymous in Athens.

I bet it's like "Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers" when you're out buying a loaf of bread.


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So they think you're a mythical being?

I suppose that's easier for the human brain to comprehend than a ginger choosing to live in Athens.
 
So they think you're a mythical being?

I suppose that's easier for the human brain to comprehend than a ginger choosing to live in Athens.
It's hard for the human brain to comprehend anyone choosing to live in Athens. Even the Syrian refugees don't even choose to stay here.
 
I suspect Klopp had something to do with the decision to reverse the ticket price increase.
 
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