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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066116#msg1066116 date=1268091056]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066108#msg1066108 date=1268090683]
It's the managers job to motivate the players Ryan. I've said the players have to hold their hands up too. Between the two of them - players and manager - they've completely and utterly failed to deliver all season. The buck stops with the manager and it's time for him to go.
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Sunny & Sheik,
He won't go though. Not now obviously, and is highly unlikely to in the summer either. So what's the fucking point in sitting here typing "fucking shite" after every loss, and criticising other for trying to offer up a more detailed opinion?
[/quote]
I'm not criticising people for offering up a detailed opinion mate. You fire away. But "fucking shite" is the sum total of how I feel. I cannot be arsed typing a tome to get my point across.
I'm fucked off. Every time I leave the house and go watch that utter fucking drivel of a performance it riles the fuck out of me. The first match or two you kind of live with. Then you get a few more drab performances and it starts to irk you a little. After ten or fifteen games of sitting in the freezing cold it fucking pisses you off and you start feeling "why bother".
Then you get people who are sit on their fat arses in front of the telly bemoaning "how quiet the fans were". Well I challenge ANYONE to sit there match after match after match in the freezing cold to get excited about watching that shite. The fans start with some atmosphere almost every game but the life is steadily strangled out of it by watching constantly fucking shite football. You rush home from work to go the match. You hardly say hello to your family, you're out the fucking door. You freeze your bollocks off. You watch drab uninspiring football with no fucking passion and players who clearly don't give a fucking shit. Final whistle. You drag your derpressed arse off your seat and fight your way through traffic and get home at midnight, yet again missing your family because they've gone to bed. And then you log on and have to listen to people who tell you your privileged to do this. Well sorry, it doesn't feel like that at all.
You know when you've invested several thousand hours and tens of thousand of pounds watching the club you love it fucking hurts to see them in the current state they are. And that's not to say it doesn't for those who don't. I when I say invest I mean invest. Not sitting in front of a telly or PC being able to switch it off, make a brew and log on. And I'm not just talking about myself here. Travelling hundreds of miles like a lot of supporters do. Taking days out of their lives to go and see the club they adore. Spending money they probably should spend on other things or maybe can't rightly afford. It's not too much to ask for a little passion. A little commitment. A bit of fucking fight. A bit of pride in the fucking shirt you are wearing. That's all I ask for and I just don't see it. I can take bad results. Weak arsed and cowardly performances I can't.
And yes, those successes and odd legendary games you are present at does make it worth it. Of course it does. It's why we do it. But it does not stop the situation being what it is. And that's fucking shite.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066108#msg1066108 date=1268090683]
It's the managers job to motivate the players Ryan. I've said the players have to hold their hands up too. Between the two of them - players and manager - they've completely and utterly failed to deliver all season. The buck stops with the manager and it's time for him to go.
[/quote]
Sunny & Sheik,
He won't go though. Not now obviously, and is highly unlikely to in the summer either. So what's the fucking point in sitting here typing "fucking shite" after every loss, and criticising other for trying to offer up a more detailed opinion?
[/quote]
I'm not criticising people for offering up a detailed opinion mate. You fire away. But "fucking shite" is the sum total of how I feel. I cannot be arsed typing a tome to get my point across.
I'm fucked off. Every time I leave the house and go watch that utter fucking drivel of a performance it riles the fuck out of me. The first match or two you kind of live with. Then you get a few more drab performances and it starts to irk you a little. After ten or fifteen games of sitting in the freezing cold it fucking pisses you off and you start feeling "why bother".
Then you get people who are sit on their fat arses in front of the telly bemoaning "how quiet the fans were". Well I challenge ANYONE to sit there match after match after match in the freezing cold to get excited about watching that shite. The fans start with some atmosphere almost every game but the life is steadily strangled out of it by watching constantly fucking shite football. You rush home from work to go the match. You hardly say hello to your family, you're out the fucking door. You freeze your bollocks off. You watch drab uninspiring football with no fucking passion and players who clearly don't give a fucking shit. Final whistle. You drag your derpressed arse off your seat and fight your way through traffic and get home at midnight, yet again missing your family because they've gone to bed. And then you log on and have to listen to people who tell you your privileged to do this. Well sorry, it doesn't feel like that at all.
You know when you've invested several thousand hours and tens of thousand of pounds watching the club you love it fucking hurts to see them in the current state they are. And that's not to say it doesn't for those who don't. I when I say invest I mean invest. Not sitting in front of a telly or PC being able to switch it off, make a brew and log on. And I'm not just talking about myself here. Travelling hundreds of miles like a lot of supporters do. Taking days out of their lives to go and see the club they adore. Spending money they probably should spend on other things or maybe can't rightly afford. It's not too much to ask for a little passion. A little commitment. A bit of fucking fight. A bit of pride in the fucking shirt you are wearing. That's all I ask for and I just don't see it. I can take bad results. Weak arsed and cowardly performances I can't.
And yes, those successes and odd legendary games you are present at does make it worth it. Of course it does. It's why we do it. But it does not stop the situation being what it is. And that's fucking shite.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066143#msg1066143 date=1268092243]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066138#msg1066138 date=1268092042]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066137#msg1066137 date=1268091940]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066128#msg1066128 date=1268091554]
Fair point. What do you think it is Ryan?
[/quote]
It's a whole host of things Sheik. This 'the manager isn't animated enough' chat is laughable though. Fans look for the easy option most of the time. Look at Dreamy's post just there (and I'm not signling you out specifically Dreamy - your post is sympotamitc of a lot): "We were awful all over the pitch and that comes down to Rafa."
That doesn't make sense. The Manager is not the fucking be all and end all for on-pitch ineptitude. 11 Internationals on a pitch mate. the majority fo them passing the ball to no one.
To put that down to "lack of motivation from the Manager" is lazy and for the most part - incorrect.
[/quote]
But that manager's players have lost 9 games this season, 7 of them against teams we should be beating. He bought them.
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For most of the year we've been shy of our best players through injury Sheik.
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He's had the cash to build a squad talented enough to still beat those teams Ryan. He's wasted bucketloads of cash these last two seasons.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066138#msg1066138 date=1268092042]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066137#msg1066137 date=1268091940]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066128#msg1066128 date=1268091554]
Fair point. What do you think it is Ryan?
[/quote]
It's a whole host of things Sheik. This 'the manager isn't animated enough' chat is laughable though. Fans look for the easy option most of the time. Look at Dreamy's post just there (and I'm not signling you out specifically Dreamy - your post is sympotamitc of a lot): "We were awful all over the pitch and that comes down to Rafa."
That doesn't make sense. The Manager is not the fucking be all and end all for on-pitch ineptitude. 11 Internationals on a pitch mate. the majority fo them passing the ball to no one.
To put that down to "lack of motivation from the Manager" is lazy and for the most part - incorrect.
[/quote]
But that manager's players have lost 9 games this season, 7 of them against teams we should be beating. He bought them.
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For most of the year we've been shy of our best players through injury Sheik.
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He's had the cash to build a squad talented enough to still beat those teams Ryan. He's wasted bucketloads of cash these last two seasons.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
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Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
I really don't know how you can be arsed to analyse such an abject display as that Ryan. There's really nothing new to put the fine tooth comb through; nothing you can see under a microscope that can't be seen with the naked eye; just everything we already knew being played out in front of us yet again like a horror movie on constant repeat. Going over it in detail just depresses me more.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066146#msg1066146 date=1268092362]
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=39217.msg1066141#msg1066141 date=1268092139]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066137#msg1066137 date=1268091940]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066128#msg1066128 date=1268091554]
Fair point. What do you think it is Ryan?
[/quote]
It's a whole host of things Sheik. This 'the manager isn't animated enough' chat is laughable though. Fans look for the easy option most of the time. Look at Dreamy's post just there (and I'm not signling you out specifically Dreamy - your post is sympotamitc of a lot): "We were awful all over the pitch and that comes down to Rafa."
That doesn't make sense. The Manager is not the fucking be all and end all for on-pitch ineptitude. 11 Internationals on a pitch mate. the majority fo them passing the ball to no one.
To put that down to "lack of motivation from the Manager" is lazy and for the most part - incorrect.
[/quote]
Ryan, As you like to remind us regularly that you play football at a decent level. Do you honestly believe the players are giving their all for the manager this season ?
[/quote]
What the fuck has me playing football got to do with anything we're talking about here Niall?
[/quote]
I thought that as you play ball yourself you would be able to notice whether a side was motivated and playing for their manager or not thats all.
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=39217.msg1066141#msg1066141 date=1268092139]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066137#msg1066137 date=1268091940]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066128#msg1066128 date=1268091554]
Fair point. What do you think it is Ryan?
[/quote]
It's a whole host of things Sheik. This 'the manager isn't animated enough' chat is laughable though. Fans look for the easy option most of the time. Look at Dreamy's post just there (and I'm not signling you out specifically Dreamy - your post is sympotamitc of a lot): "We were awful all over the pitch and that comes down to Rafa."
That doesn't make sense. The Manager is not the fucking be all and end all for on-pitch ineptitude. 11 Internationals on a pitch mate. the majority fo them passing the ball to no one.
To put that down to "lack of motivation from the Manager" is lazy and for the most part - incorrect.
[/quote]
Ryan, As you like to remind us regularly that you play football at a decent level. Do you honestly believe the players are giving their all for the manager this season ?
[/quote]
What the fuck has me playing football got to do with anything we're talking about here Niall?
[/quote]
I thought that as you play ball yourself you would be able to notice whether a side was motivated and playing for their manager or not thats all.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066149#msg1066149 date=1268092460]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066116#msg1066116 date=1268091056]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066108#msg1066108 date=1268090683]
It's the managers job to motivate the players Ryan. I've said the players have to hold their hands up too. Between the two of them - players and manager - they've completely and utterly failed to deliver all season. The buck stops with the manager and it's time for him to go.
[/quote]
Sunny & Sheik,
He won't go though. Not now obviously, and is highly unlikely to in the summer either. So what's the fucking point in sitting here typing "fucking shite" after every loss, and criticising other for trying to offer up a more detailed opinion?
[/quote]
I'm not criticising people for offering up a detailed opinion mate. You fire away. But "fucking shite" is the sum total of how I feel. I cannot be arsed typing a tome to get my point across.
I'm fucked off. Every time I leave the house and go watch that utter fucking drivel of a performance it riles the fuck out of me. The first match or two you kind of live with. Then you get a few more drab performances and it starts to irk you a little. After ten or fifteen games of sitting in the freezing cold it fucking pisses you off and you start feeling "why bother".
Then you get people who are sit on their fat arses in front of the telly bemoaning "how quiet the fans were". Well I challenge ANYONE to sit there match after match after match in the freezing cold to get excited about watching that shite. The fans start with some atmosphere almost every game but the life is steadily strangled out of it by watching constantly fucking shite football. You rush home from work to go the match. You hardly say hello to your family, you're out the fucking door. You freeze your bollocks off. You watch drab uninspiring football with no fucking passion and players who clearly don't give a fucking shit. Final whistle. You drag your derpressed arse off your seat and fight your way through traffic and get home at midnight, yet again missing your family because they've gone to bed. And then you log on and have to listen to people who tell you your privileged to do this. Well sorry, it doesn't feel like that at all.
You know when you've invested several thousand hours and tens of thousand of pounds watching the club you love it fucking hurts to see them in the current state they are. And that's not to say it doesn't for those who don't. I when I say invest I mean invest. Not sitting in front of a telly or PC being able to switch it off, make a brew and log on. And I'm not just talking about myself here. Travelling hundreds of miles like a lot of supporters do. Taking days out of their lives to go and see the club they adore. Spending money they probably should spend on other things or maybe can't rightly afford. It's not too much to ask for a little passion. A little commitment. A bit of fucking fight. A bit of pride in the fucking shirt you are wearing. That's all I ask for and I just don't see it. I can take bad results. Weak arsed and cowardly performances I can't.
And yes, those successes and odd legendary games you are present at does make it worth it. Of course it does. It's why we do it. But it does not stop the situation being what it is. And that's fucking shite.
[/quote]
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066116#msg1066116 date=1268091056]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066108#msg1066108 date=1268090683]
It's the managers job to motivate the players Ryan. I've said the players have to hold their hands up too. Between the two of them - players and manager - they've completely and utterly failed to deliver all season. The buck stops with the manager and it's time for him to go.
[/quote]
Sunny & Sheik,
He won't go though. Not now obviously, and is highly unlikely to in the summer either. So what's the fucking point in sitting here typing "fucking shite" after every loss, and criticising other for trying to offer up a more detailed opinion?
[/quote]
I'm not criticising people for offering up a detailed opinion mate. You fire away. But "fucking shite" is the sum total of how I feel. I cannot be arsed typing a tome to get my point across.
I'm fucked off. Every time I leave the house and go watch that utter fucking drivel of a performance it riles the fuck out of me. The first match or two you kind of live with. Then you get a few more drab performances and it starts to irk you a little. After ten or fifteen games of sitting in the freezing cold it fucking pisses you off and you start feeling "why bother".
Then you get people who are sit on their fat arses in front of the telly bemoaning "how quiet the fans were". Well I challenge ANYONE to sit there match after match after match in the freezing cold to get excited about watching that shite. The fans start with some atmosphere almost every game but the life is steadily strangled out of it by watching constantly fucking shite football. You rush home from work to go the match. You hardly say hello to your family, you're out the fucking door. You freeze your bollocks off. You watch drab uninspiring football with no fucking passion and players who clearly don't give a fucking shit. Final whistle. You drag your derpressed arse off your seat and fight your way through traffic and get home at midnight, yet again missing your family because they've gone to bed. And then you log on and have to listen to people who tell you your privileged to do this. Well sorry, it doesn't feel like that at all.
You know when you've invested several thousand hours and tens of thousand of pounds watching the club you love it fucking hurts to see them in the current state they are. And that's not to say it doesn't for those who don't. I when I say invest I mean invest. Not sitting in front of a telly or PC being able to switch it off, make a brew and log on. And I'm not just talking about myself here. Travelling hundreds of miles like a lot of supporters do. Taking days out of their lives to go and see the club they adore. Spending money they probably should spend on other things or maybe can't rightly afford. It's not too much to ask for a little passion. A little commitment. A bit of fucking fight. A bit of pride in the fucking shirt you are wearing. That's all I ask for and I just don't see it. I can take bad results. Weak arsed and cowardly performances I can't.
And yes, those successes and odd legendary games you are present at does make it worth it. Of course it does. It's why we do it. But it does not stop the situation being what it is. And that's fucking shite.
[/quote]
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39217.msg1066156#msg1066156 date=1268092674]
I really don't know how you can be arsed to analyse such an abject display as that Ryan. There's really nothing new to put the fine tooth comb through; nothing you can see under a microscope that can't be seen with the naked eye; just everything we already knew being played out in front of us yet again like a horror movie on constant repeat. Going over it in detail just depresses me more.
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I find what happens on the pitch - the tactics, formations, one-on-one battles, subtle movements, blah blah blah interesting Del (for the most part).
Sitting here reading and rattling on about how our left back is a big massive cunt etc etc depresses me far far more.
I really don't know how you can be arsed to analyse such an abject display as that Ryan. There's really nothing new to put the fine tooth comb through; nothing you can see under a microscope that can't be seen with the naked eye; just everything we already knew being played out in front of us yet again like a horror movie on constant repeat. Going over it in detail just depresses me more.
[/quote]
I find what happens on the pitch - the tactics, formations, one-on-one battles, subtle movements, blah blah blah interesting Del (for the most part).
Sitting here reading and rattling on about how our left back is a big massive cunt etc etc depresses me far far more.
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=39217.msg1066158#msg1066158 date=1268092811]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066146#msg1066146 date=1268092362]
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=39217.msg1066141#msg1066141 date=1268092139]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066137#msg1066137 date=1268091940]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066128#msg1066128 date=1268091554]
Fair point. What do you think it is Ryan?
[/quote]
It's a whole host of things Sheik. This 'the manager isn't animated enough' chat is laughable though. Fans look for the easy option most of the time. Look at Dreamy's post just there (and I'm not signling you out specifically Dreamy - your post is sympotamitc of a lot): "We were awful all over the pitch and that comes down to Rafa."
That doesn't make sense. The Manager is not the fucking be all and end all for on-pitch ineptitude. 11 Internationals on a pitch mate. the majority fo them passing the ball to no one.
To put that down to "lack of motivation from the Manager" is lazy and for the most part - incorrect.
[/quote]
Ryan, As you like to remind us regularly that you play football at a decent level. Do you honestly believe the players are giving their all for the manager this season ?
[/quote]
What the fuck has me playing football got to do with anything we're talking about here Niall?
[/quote]
I thought that as you play ball yourself you would be able to notice whether a side was motivated and playing for their manager or not thats all.
[/quote]
You don't have to play football to form an opinion on that Niall.
In answer to your question; on tonight's evidence no they were not. But most professional footballers don't play for their Manager anyway. You play for yourself, your team and to win. It's the managers job to help you do that. At the moment, both players and manager are failing to do that.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066146#msg1066146 date=1268092362]
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=39217.msg1066141#msg1066141 date=1268092139]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066137#msg1066137 date=1268091940]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066128#msg1066128 date=1268091554]
Fair point. What do you think it is Ryan?
[/quote]
It's a whole host of things Sheik. This 'the manager isn't animated enough' chat is laughable though. Fans look for the easy option most of the time. Look at Dreamy's post just there (and I'm not signling you out specifically Dreamy - your post is sympotamitc of a lot): "We were awful all over the pitch and that comes down to Rafa."
That doesn't make sense. The Manager is not the fucking be all and end all for on-pitch ineptitude. 11 Internationals on a pitch mate. the majority fo them passing the ball to no one.
To put that down to "lack of motivation from the Manager" is lazy and for the most part - incorrect.
[/quote]
Ryan, As you like to remind us regularly that you play football at a decent level. Do you honestly believe the players are giving their all for the manager this season ?
[/quote]
What the fuck has me playing football got to do with anything we're talking about here Niall?
[/quote]
I thought that as you play ball yourself you would be able to notice whether a side was motivated and playing for their manager or not thats all.
[/quote]
You don't have to play football to form an opinion on that Niall.
In answer to your question; on tonight's evidence no they were not. But most professional footballers don't play for their Manager anyway. You play for yourself, your team and to win. It's the managers job to help you do that. At the moment, both players and manager are failing to do that.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066162#msg1066162 date=1268093033]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39217.msg1066156#msg1066156 date=1268092674]
I really don't know how you can be arsed to analyse such an abject display as that Ryan. There's really nothing new to put the fine tooth comb through; nothing you can see under a microscope that can't be seen with the naked eye; just everything we already knew being played out in front of us yet again like a horror movie on constant repeat. Going over it in detail just depresses me more.
[/quote]
I find what happens on the pitch - the tactics, formations, one-on-one battles, subtle movements, blah blah blah interesting Del (for the most part).
Sitting here reading and rattling on about how our left back is a big massive cunt etc etc depresses me far far more.
[/quote]I wish youd stop repeating that ad nausiem as though it is all we think or say or do on here Ryan.
Most of us are capable of talking about, and debating the game. Maybe not when weve lost to Wigan like, but you say it like youre the only voice of reason and that just isnt fair.
One or two posters repeat the same tired bullshit every week, i think generally the rest of us flex.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39217.msg1066156#msg1066156 date=1268092674]
I really don't know how you can be arsed to analyse such an abject display as that Ryan. There's really nothing new to put the fine tooth comb through; nothing you can see under a microscope that can't be seen with the naked eye; just everything we already knew being played out in front of us yet again like a horror movie on constant repeat. Going over it in detail just depresses me more.
[/quote]
I find what happens on the pitch - the tactics, formations, one-on-one battles, subtle movements, blah blah blah interesting Del (for the most part).
Sitting here reading and rattling on about how our left back is a big massive cunt etc etc depresses me far far more.
[/quote]I wish youd stop repeating that ad nausiem as though it is all we think or say or do on here Ryan.
Most of us are capable of talking about, and debating the game. Maybe not when weve lost to Wigan like, but you say it like youre the only voice of reason and that just isnt fair.
One or two posters repeat the same tired bullshit every week, i think generally the rest of us flex.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
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We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39217.msg1066165#msg1066165 date=1268093307]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066162#msg1066162 date=1268093033]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39217.msg1066156#msg1066156 date=1268092674]
I really don't know how you can be arsed to analyse such an abject display as that Ryan. There's really nothing new to put the fine tooth comb through; nothing you can see under a microscope that can't be seen with the naked eye; just everything we already knew being played out in front of us yet again like a horror movie on constant repeat. Going over it in detail just depresses me more.
[/quote]
I find what happens on the pitch - the tactics, formations, one-on-one battles, subtle movements, blah blah blah interesting Del (for the most part).
Sitting here reading and rattling on about how our left back is a big massive cunt etc etc depresses me far far more.
[/quote]I wish youd stop repeating that ad nausiem as though it is all we think or say or do on here Ryan.
Most of us are capable of talking about, and debating the game. Maybe not when weve lost to Wigan like, but you say it like youre the only voice of reason and that just isnt fair.
One or two posters repeat the same tired bullshit every week, i think generally the rest of us flex.
[/quote]
I logged in and the top two threads were about Insua being the worst left back in our history - him being a fat useless cunt, and a thread open for people to swear. Forgive me for not trawling around looking for thrilling engagement Oncy. I don't accuse you all of boring repetitive bullshit, hence my replies to every single pst on this thread discussing the match.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066162#msg1066162 date=1268093033]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39217.msg1066156#msg1066156 date=1268092674]
I really don't know how you can be arsed to analyse such an abject display as that Ryan. There's really nothing new to put the fine tooth comb through; nothing you can see under a microscope that can't be seen with the naked eye; just everything we already knew being played out in front of us yet again like a horror movie on constant repeat. Going over it in detail just depresses me more.
[/quote]
I find what happens on the pitch - the tactics, formations, one-on-one battles, subtle movements, blah blah blah interesting Del (for the most part).
Sitting here reading and rattling on about how our left back is a big massive cunt etc etc depresses me far far more.
[/quote]I wish youd stop repeating that ad nausiem as though it is all we think or say or do on here Ryan.
Most of us are capable of talking about, and debating the game. Maybe not when weve lost to Wigan like, but you say it like youre the only voice of reason and that just isnt fair.
One or two posters repeat the same tired bullshit every week, i think generally the rest of us flex.
[/quote]
I logged in and the top two threads were about Insua being the worst left back in our history - him being a fat useless cunt, and a thread open for people to swear. Forgive me for not trawling around looking for thrilling engagement Oncy. I don't accuse you all of boring repetitive bullshit, hence my replies to every single pst on this thread discussing the match.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]Krissr mate since the last time we finished above United (2002) we have outspent United by some margin so how does that work?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]Krissr mate since the last time we finished above United (2002) we have outspent United by some margin so how does that work?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066160#msg1066160 date=1268092860]
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
[/quote]
There it is again. I'm "fortunate" to be able to watch uninspring drivel again and again and again. You say you'd jump at the chance to stand in the cold and watch it. Of course you say that. Simply because you don't have to do it again and again. It doesn't feel fortunate in the slightest, regardless of what you think. It's a fucking ballache at the moment. A real ballache. You can't easily disconnect yourself from it Ryan. I wish I could.
It won't stop me supporting the team. But I've every right to call it out for what it is. It's a crock of fucking shit. A team full of passionless players led by a manager who can't shake them out of it.
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
[/quote]
There it is again. I'm "fortunate" to be able to watch uninspring drivel again and again and again. You say you'd jump at the chance to stand in the cold and watch it. Of course you say that. Simply because you don't have to do it again and again. It doesn't feel fortunate in the slightest, regardless of what you think. It's a fucking ballache at the moment. A real ballache. You can't easily disconnect yourself from it Ryan. I wish I could.
It won't stop me supporting the team. But I've every right to call it out for what it is. It's a crock of fucking shit. A team full of passionless players led by a manager who can't shake them out of it.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
I give in.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
I give in.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066171#msg1066171 date=1268093721]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066160#msg1066160 date=1268092860]
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
[/quote]
There it is again. I'm "fortunate" to be able to watch uninspring drivel again and again and again. You say you'd jump at the chance to stand in the cold and watch it. Of course you say that. Simply because you don't have to do it again and again. It doesn't feel fortunate in the slightest, regardless of what you think. It's a fucking ballache at the moment. A real ballache. You can't easily disconnect yourself from it Ryan. I wish I could.
It won't stop me supporting the team. But I've every right to call it out for what it is. It's a crock of fucking shit. A team full of passionless players led by a manager who can't shake them out of it.
[/quote]
Sunny, do you think I enjoy setting my alarm for 3am on a Monday morning knowing what I'm about to get up and watch. Do you think the hundreds of other ex-pats and overseason fans from this site do? Do you think the Scandanavian supporters feel 'fortunate' to pay fucking hundreds and hundreds to fly to the UK to watch that?
I am not telling you how to support your team. what I am telling you is that we all feel pain from sitting through defeats regardless of where the fuck we're sitting.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066160#msg1066160 date=1268092860]
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
[/quote]
There it is again. I'm "fortunate" to be able to watch uninspring drivel again and again and again. You say you'd jump at the chance to stand in the cold and watch it. Of course you say that. Simply because you don't have to do it again and again. It doesn't feel fortunate in the slightest, regardless of what you think. It's a fucking ballache at the moment. A real ballache. You can't easily disconnect yourself from it Ryan. I wish I could.
It won't stop me supporting the team. But I've every right to call it out for what it is. It's a crock of fucking shit. A team full of passionless players led by a manager who can't shake them out of it.
[/quote]
Sunny, do you think I enjoy setting my alarm for 3am on a Monday morning knowing what I'm about to get up and watch. Do you think the hundreds of other ex-pats and overseason fans from this site do? Do you think the Scandanavian supporters feel 'fortunate' to pay fucking hundreds and hundreds to fly to the UK to watch that?
I am not telling you how to support your team. what I am telling you is that we all feel pain from sitting through defeats regardless of where the fuck we're sitting.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39217.msg1066170#msg1066170 date=1268093696]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]Krissr mate since the last time we finished above United (2002) we have outspent United by some margin so how does that work?
[/quote]
They were in a position to buy 1 or 2 quality players a season to compete, we weren't
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]Krissr mate since the last time we finished above United (2002) we have outspent United by some margin so how does that work?
[/quote]
They were in a position to buy 1 or 2 quality players a season to compete, we weren't
I agree with sunny
when heads drop in a team and the players lose confidence they start playing exactly like we did tonight. some whinge, some are scared of the ball, most don't have any faith in themselves and are very static refusing to move or get forward. no one is enjoying their football.
the manager is not helping with his team selection
when heads drop in a team and the players lose confidence they start playing exactly like we did tonight. some whinge, some are scared of the ball, most don't have any faith in themselves and are very static refusing to move or get forward. no one is enjoying their football.
the manager is not helping with his team selection
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066174#msg1066174 date=1268093852]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
I give in.
[/quote]
I agree with you both:
He's spent badly in quite a few areas.
We don't have enough top quality players either.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
I give in.
[/quote]
I agree with you both:
He's spent badly in quite a few areas.
We don't have enough top quality players either.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
Reina. Carragher. Mascherano. Gerrard. Torres. Kuyt. Aquilani. Johnson. Benayoun. All internationals. All supposedly quality players who played a part tonight. Against Wigan. Who absolutely outplayed us.
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
Reina. Carragher. Mascherano. Gerrard. Torres. Kuyt. Aquilani. Johnson. Benayoun. All internationals. All supposedly quality players who played a part tonight. Against Wigan. Who absolutely outplayed us.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066177#msg1066177 date=1268093928]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39217.msg1066170#msg1066170 date=1268093696]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]Krissr mate since the last time we finished above United (2002) we have outspent United by some margin so how does that work?
[/quote]
They were in a position to buy 1 or 2 quality players a season to compete, we weren't
[/quote]Mate, youre deluding yourself.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39217.msg1066170#msg1066170 date=1268093696]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the palyers need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
Ok then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]Krissr mate since the last time we finished above United (2002) we have outspent United by some margin so how does that work?
[/quote]
They were in a position to buy 1 or 2 quality players a season to compete, we weren't
[/quote]Mate, youre deluding yourself.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066149#msg1066149 date=1268092460]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066116#msg1066116 date=1268091056]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066108#msg1066108 date=1268090683]
It's the managers job to motivate the players Ryan. I've said the players have to hold their hands up too. Between the two of them - players and manager - they've completely and utterly failed to deliver all season. The buck stops with the manager and it's time for him to go.
[/quote]
Sunny & Sheik,
He won't go though. Not now obviously, and is highly unlikely to in the summer either. So what's the fucking point in sitting here typing "fucking shite" after every loss, and criticising other for trying to offer up a more detailed opinion?
[/quote]
Post of the Season there Sunny.
Ryan, I'm your boy most of the time. I listen to your defense of Lucas and Rafa with a pretty sympathetic ear because I feel that you genuinely have interesting insight (if not always on the money) and a willingness to be intelligently analytical about the game.
At a moment directly after such an abysmal performance however, intellectual discourse (which, to your credit, is precisely what is needed) is a very very bitter pill to swallow because the emotion of the defeat is still too near.
Football is as much an emotional experience as it is an intellectual one mate. This isn't chess (which, incidentally, is why you find it hard to blame the orchestrator) and I for one am sick and tired of feeling like I've been sucker punched in the guts. THis team was just beginning to regain some credibility in the league, and instead has been a siren singing us all to shipwreck.
I fucking LOVE Liverpool football club. But right now I feel that it is a very one sided relationship.
I'm not criticising people for offering up a detailed opinion mate. You fire away. But "fucking shite" is the sum total of how I feel. I cannot be arsed typing a tome to get my point across.
I'm fucked off. Every time I leave the house and go watch that utter fucking drivel of a performance it riles the fuck out of me. The first match or two you kind of live with. Then you get a few more drab performances and it starts to irk you a little. After ten or fifteen games of sitting in the freezing cold it fucking pisses you off and you start feeling "why bother".
Then you get people who are sit on their fat arses in front of the telly bemoaning "how quiet the fans were". Well I challenge ANYONE to sit there match after match after match in the freezing cold to get excited about watching that shite. The fans start with some atmosphere almost every game but the life is steadily strangled out of it by watching constantly fucking shite football. You rush home from work to go the match. You hardly say hello to your family, you're out the fucking door. You freeze your bollocks off. You watch drab uninspiring football with no fucking passion and players who clearly don't give a fucking shit. Final whistle. You drag your derpressed arse off your seat and fight your way through traffic and get home at midnight, yet again missing your family because they've gone to bed. And then you log on and have to listen to people who tell you your privileged to do this. Well sorry, it doesn't feel like that at all.
You know when you've invested several thousand hours and tens of thousand of pounds watching the club you love it fucking hurts to see them in the current state they are. And that's not to say it doesn't for those who don't. I when I say invest I mean invest. Not sitting in front of a telly or PC being able to switch it off, make a brew and log on. And I'm not just talking about myself here. Travelling hundreds of miles like a lot of supporters do. Taking days out of their lives to go and see the club they adore. Spending money they probably should spend on other things or maybe can't rightly afford. It's not too much to ask for a little passion. A little commitment. A bit of fucking fight. A bit of pride in the fucking shirt you are wearing. That's all I ask for and I just don't see it. I can take bad results. Weak arsed and cowardly performances I can't.
And yes, those successes and odd legendary games you are present at does make it worth it. Of course it does. It's why we do it. But it does not stop the situation being what it is. And that's fucking shite.
[/quote]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066116#msg1066116 date=1268091056]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066108#msg1066108 date=1268090683]
It's the managers job to motivate the players Ryan. I've said the players have to hold their hands up too. Between the two of them - players and manager - they've completely and utterly failed to deliver all season. The buck stops with the manager and it's time for him to go.
[/quote]
Sunny & Sheik,
He won't go though. Not now obviously, and is highly unlikely to in the summer either. So what's the fucking point in sitting here typing "fucking shite" after every loss, and criticising other for trying to offer up a more detailed opinion?
[/quote]
Post of the Season there Sunny.
Ryan, I'm your boy most of the time. I listen to your defense of Lucas and Rafa with a pretty sympathetic ear because I feel that you genuinely have interesting insight (if not always on the money) and a willingness to be intelligently analytical about the game.
At a moment directly after such an abysmal performance however, intellectual discourse (which, to your credit, is precisely what is needed) is a very very bitter pill to swallow because the emotion of the defeat is still too near.
Football is as much an emotional experience as it is an intellectual one mate. This isn't chess (which, incidentally, is why you find it hard to blame the orchestrator) and I for one am sick and tired of feeling like I've been sucker punched in the guts. THis team was just beginning to regain some credibility in the league, and instead has been a siren singing us all to shipwreck.
I fucking LOVE Liverpool football club. But right now I feel that it is a very one sided relationship.
I'm not criticising people for offering up a detailed opinion mate. You fire away. But "fucking shite" is the sum total of how I feel. I cannot be arsed typing a tome to get my point across.
I'm fucked off. Every time I leave the house and go watch that utter fucking drivel of a performance it riles the fuck out of me. The first match or two you kind of live with. Then you get a few more drab performances and it starts to irk you a little. After ten or fifteen games of sitting in the freezing cold it fucking pisses you off and you start feeling "why bother".
Then you get people who are sit on their fat arses in front of the telly bemoaning "how quiet the fans were". Well I challenge ANYONE to sit there match after match after match in the freezing cold to get excited about watching that shite. The fans start with some atmosphere almost every game but the life is steadily strangled out of it by watching constantly fucking shite football. You rush home from work to go the match. You hardly say hello to your family, you're out the fucking door. You freeze your bollocks off. You watch drab uninspiring football with no fucking passion and players who clearly don't give a fucking shit. Final whistle. You drag your derpressed arse off your seat and fight your way through traffic and get home at midnight, yet again missing your family because they've gone to bed. And then you log on and have to listen to people who tell you your privileged to do this. Well sorry, it doesn't feel like that at all.
You know when you've invested several thousand hours and tens of thousand of pounds watching the club you love it fucking hurts to see them in the current state they are. And that's not to say it doesn't for those who don't. I when I say invest I mean invest. Not sitting in front of a telly or PC being able to switch it off, make a brew and log on. And I'm not just talking about myself here. Travelling hundreds of miles like a lot of supporters do. Taking days out of their lives to go and see the club they adore. Spending money they probably should spend on other things or maybe can't rightly afford. It's not too much to ask for a little passion. A little commitment. A bit of fucking fight. A bit of pride in the fucking shirt you are wearing. That's all I ask for and I just don't see it. I can take bad results. Weak arsed and cowardly performances I can't.
And yes, those successes and odd legendary games you are present at does make it worth it. Of course it does. It's why we do it. But it does not stop the situation being what it is. And that's fucking shite.
[/quote]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066180#msg1066180 date=1268094015]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
Reina. Carragher. Mascherano. Gerrard. Torres. Kuyt. Aquilani. Johnson. Benayoun. All internationals. All supposedly quality players who played a part tonight. Against Wigan. Who absolutely outplayed us.
[/quote]
They were doing well enough last season mate, and that is the scary thing, we have quality, not enough IMO, but we seem to be playing so poorly, you play for the club not the manager so that cant be it
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
Reina. Carragher. Mascherano. Gerrard. Torres. Kuyt. Aquilani. Johnson. Benayoun. All internationals. All supposedly quality players who played a part tonight. Against Wigan. Who absolutely outplayed us.
[/quote]
They were doing well enough last season mate, and that is the scary thing, we have quality, not enough IMO, but we seem to be playing so poorly, you play for the club not the manager so that cant be it
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066179#msg1066179 date=1268094001]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066174#msg1066174 date=1268093852]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
I give in.
[/quote]
I agree with you both:
He's spent badly in quite a few areas.
We don't have enough top quality players either.
[/quote]
But we do because we finished 2nd last season. So Kriss was telling me before.Errrr...hmm...hang on a sec while I get this right. We finished second, had all the motivation brimming over into this season, spent 38 million on a right back and a central midfielder who was injured (we only lost Alonso and Arbeloa in the summer by the way) and we've turned to dog shit.
*Scratches head*
Fucking Parry. Fucking Yanks. Fucking Pope.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066174#msg1066174 date=1268093852]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
I give in.
[/quote]
I agree with you both:
He's spent badly in quite a few areas.
We don't have enough top quality players either.
[/quote]
But we do because we finished 2nd last season. So Kriss was telling me before.Errrr...hmm...hang on a sec while I get this right. We finished second, had all the motivation brimming over into this season, spent 38 million on a right back and a central midfielder who was injured (we only lost Alonso and Arbeloa in the summer by the way) and we've turned to dog shit.
*Scratches head*
Fucking Parry. Fucking Yanks. Fucking Pope.
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=39217.msg1066184#msg1066184 date=1268094197]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066149#msg1066149 date=1268092460]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066116#msg1066116 date=1268091056]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066108#msg1066108 date=1268090683]
It's the managers job to motivate the players Ryan. I've said the players have to hold their hands up too. Between the two of them - players and manager - they've completely and utterly failed to deliver all season. The buck stops with the manager and it's time for him to go.
[/quote]
Sunny & Sheik,
He won't go though. Not now obviously, and is highly unlikely to in the summer either. So what's the fucking point in sitting here typing "fucking shite" after every loss, and criticising other for trying to offer up a more detailed opinion?
[/quote]
Post of the Season there Sunny.
Ryan, I'm your boy most of the time. I listen to your defense of Lucas and Rafa with a pretty sympathetic ear because I feel that you genuinely have interesting insight (if not always on the money) and a willingness to be intelligently analytical about the game.
At a moment directly after such an abysmal performance however, intellectual discourse (which, to your credit, is precisely what is needed) is a very very bitter pill to swallow because the emotion of the defeat is still too near.
Football is as much an emotional experience as it is an intellectual one mate. This isn't chess (which, incidentally, is why you find it hard to blame the orchestrator) and I for one am sick and tired of feeling like I've been sucker punched in the guts. THis team was just beginning to regain some credibility in the league, and instead has been a siren singing us all to shipwreck.
I fucking LOVE Liverpool football club. But right now I feel that it is a very one sided relationship.
I'm not criticising people for offering up a detailed opinion mate. You fire away. But "fucking shite" is the sum total of how I feel. I cannot be arsed typing a tome to get my point across.
I'm fucked off. Every time I leave the house and go watch that utter fucking drivel of a performance it riles the fuck out of me. The first match or two you kind of live with. Then you get a few more drab performances and it starts to irk you a little. After ten or fifteen games of sitting in the freezing cold it fucking pisses you off and you start feeling "why bother".
Then you get people who are sit on their fat arses in front of the telly bemoaning "how quiet the fans were". Well I challenge ANYONE to sit there match after match after match in the freezing cold to get excited about watching that shite. The fans start with some atmosphere almost every game but the life is steadily strangled out of it by watching constantly fucking shite football. You rush home from work to go the match. You hardly say hello to your family, you're out the fucking door. You freeze your bollocks off. You watch drab uninspiring football with no fucking passion and players who clearly don't give a fucking shit. Final whistle. You drag your derpressed arse off your seat and fight your way through traffic and get home at midnight, yet again missing your family because they've gone to bed. And then you log on and have to listen to people who tell you your privileged to do this. Well sorry, it doesn't feel like that at all.
You know when you've invested several thousand hours and tens of thousand of pounds watching the club you love it fucking hurts to see them in the current state they are. And that's not to say it doesn't for those who don't. I when I say invest I mean invest. Not sitting in front of a telly or PC being able to switch it off, make a brew and log on. And I'm not just talking about myself here. Travelling hundreds of miles like a lot of supporters do. Taking days out of their lives to go and see the club they adore. Spending money they probably should spend on other things or maybe can't rightly afford. It's not too much to ask for a little passion. A little commitment. A bit of fucking fight. A bit of pride in the fucking shirt you are wearing. That's all I ask for and I just don't see it. I can take bad results. Weak arsed and cowardly performances I can't.
And yes, those successes and odd legendary games you are present at does make it worth it. Of course it does. It's why we do it. But it does not stop the situation being what it is. And that's fucking shite.
[/quote]
[/quote]
Fair enough mate.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066149#msg1066149 date=1268092460]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066116#msg1066116 date=1268091056]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066108#msg1066108 date=1268090683]
It's the managers job to motivate the players Ryan. I've said the players have to hold their hands up too. Between the two of them - players and manager - they've completely and utterly failed to deliver all season. The buck stops with the manager and it's time for him to go.
[/quote]
Sunny & Sheik,
He won't go though. Not now obviously, and is highly unlikely to in the summer either. So what's the fucking point in sitting here typing "fucking shite" after every loss, and criticising other for trying to offer up a more detailed opinion?
[/quote]
Post of the Season there Sunny.
Ryan, I'm your boy most of the time. I listen to your defense of Lucas and Rafa with a pretty sympathetic ear because I feel that you genuinely have interesting insight (if not always on the money) and a willingness to be intelligently analytical about the game.
At a moment directly after such an abysmal performance however, intellectual discourse (which, to your credit, is precisely what is needed) is a very very bitter pill to swallow because the emotion of the defeat is still too near.
Football is as much an emotional experience as it is an intellectual one mate. This isn't chess (which, incidentally, is why you find it hard to blame the orchestrator) and I for one am sick and tired of feeling like I've been sucker punched in the guts. THis team was just beginning to regain some credibility in the league, and instead has been a siren singing us all to shipwreck.
I fucking LOVE Liverpool football club. But right now I feel that it is a very one sided relationship.
I'm not criticising people for offering up a detailed opinion mate. You fire away. But "fucking shite" is the sum total of how I feel. I cannot be arsed typing a tome to get my point across.
I'm fucked off. Every time I leave the house and go watch that utter fucking drivel of a performance it riles the fuck out of me. The first match or two you kind of live with. Then you get a few more drab performances and it starts to irk you a little. After ten or fifteen games of sitting in the freezing cold it fucking pisses you off and you start feeling "why bother".
Then you get people who are sit on their fat arses in front of the telly bemoaning "how quiet the fans were". Well I challenge ANYONE to sit there match after match after match in the freezing cold to get excited about watching that shite. The fans start with some atmosphere almost every game but the life is steadily strangled out of it by watching constantly fucking shite football. You rush home from work to go the match. You hardly say hello to your family, you're out the fucking door. You freeze your bollocks off. You watch drab uninspiring football with no fucking passion and players who clearly don't give a fucking shit. Final whistle. You drag your derpressed arse off your seat and fight your way through traffic and get home at midnight, yet again missing your family because they've gone to bed. And then you log on and have to listen to people who tell you your privileged to do this. Well sorry, it doesn't feel like that at all.
You know when you've invested several thousand hours and tens of thousand of pounds watching the club you love it fucking hurts to see them in the current state they are. And that's not to say it doesn't for those who don't. I when I say invest I mean invest. Not sitting in front of a telly or PC being able to switch it off, make a brew and log on. And I'm not just talking about myself here. Travelling hundreds of miles like a lot of supporters do. Taking days out of their lives to go and see the club they adore. Spending money they probably should spend on other things or maybe can't rightly afford. It's not too much to ask for a little passion. A little commitment. A bit of fucking fight. A bit of pride in the fucking shirt you are wearing. That's all I ask for and I just don't see it. I can take bad results. Weak arsed and cowardly performances I can't.
And yes, those successes and odd legendary games you are present at does make it worth it. Of course it does. It's why we do it. But it does not stop the situation being what it is. And that's fucking shite.
[/quote]
[/quote]
Fair enough mate.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066176#msg1066176 date=1268093920]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066171#msg1066171 date=1268093721]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066160#msg1066160 date=1268092860]
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
[/quote]
There it is again. I'm "fortunate" to be able to watch uninspring drivel again and again and again. You say you'd jump at the chance to stand in the cold and watch it. Of course you say that. Simply because you don't have to do it again and again. It doesn't feel fortunate in the slightest, regardless of what you think. It's a fucking ballache at the moment. A real ballache. You can't easily disconnect yourself from it Ryan. I wish I could.
It won't stop me supporting the team. But I've every right to call it out for what it is. It's a crock of fucking shit. A team full of passionless players led by a manager who can't shake them out of it.
[/quote]
Sunny, do you think I enjoy setting my alarm for 3am on a Monday morning knowing what I'm about to get up and watch. Do you think the hundreds of other ex-pats and overseason fans from this site do? Do you think the Scandanavian supporters feel 'fortunate' to pay fucking hundreds and hundreds to fly to the UK to watch that?
I am not telling you how to support your team. what I am telling you is that we all feel pain from sitting through defeats regardless of where the fuck we're sitting.
[/quote]
So we're agreed. It's fucking shite. The defence rests its case m'lud.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066171#msg1066171 date=1268093721]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066160#msg1066160 date=1268092860]
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
[/quote]
There it is again. I'm "fortunate" to be able to watch uninspring drivel again and again and again. You say you'd jump at the chance to stand in the cold and watch it. Of course you say that. Simply because you don't have to do it again and again. It doesn't feel fortunate in the slightest, regardless of what you think. It's a fucking ballache at the moment. A real ballache. You can't easily disconnect yourself from it Ryan. I wish I could.
It won't stop me supporting the team. But I've every right to call it out for what it is. It's a crock of fucking shit. A team full of passionless players led by a manager who can't shake them out of it.
[/quote]
Sunny, do you think I enjoy setting my alarm for 3am on a Monday morning knowing what I'm about to get up and watch. Do you think the hundreds of other ex-pats and overseason fans from this site do? Do you think the Scandanavian supporters feel 'fortunate' to pay fucking hundreds and hundreds to fly to the UK to watch that?
I am not telling you how to support your team. what I am telling you is that we all feel pain from sitting through defeats regardless of where the fuck we're sitting.
[/quote]
So we're agreed. It's fucking shite. The defence rests its case m'lud.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066187#msg1066187 date=1268094315]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066179#msg1066179 date=1268094001]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066174#msg1066174 date=1268093852]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
I give in.
[/quote]
I agree with you both:
He's spent badly in quite a few areas.
We don't have enough top quality players either.
[/quote]
But we do because we finished 2nd last season. So Kriss was telling me before.Errrr...hmm...hang on a sec while I get this right. We finished second, had all the motivation brimming over into this season, spent 38 million on a right back and a central midfielder who was injured (we only lost Alonso and Arbeloa in the summer by the way) and we've turned to dog shit.
*Scratches head*
Fucking Parry. Fucking Yanks. Fucking Pope.
[/quote]
Well Alonso was a huge loss, and one we've not recovered from. Injuries haven't helped, and our form's been disasterous all season.
We need better players in quite a few areas though. We've two world class players when we attack - United, Chelsea and Arsenal have about half a dozen each.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066179#msg1066179 date=1268094001]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066174#msg1066174 date=1268093852]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066172#msg1066172 date=1268093756]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066167#msg1066167 date=1268093434]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066161#msg1066161 date=1268092953]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39217.msg1066154#msg1066154 date=1268092581]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39217.msg1066148#msg1066148 date=1268092425]
So we all had our biggest hope at winning the league in years at the start of the season, and the players need motivating ? what a load of rubbish, if that didn't motivated them what will ?
[/quote]
OK then. Why are we fucking shit? Explain away.
[/quote]
Quality players, we always have to work with in a budget, contract renewals come out of our transfer budget, would that happen at Chelsea or Man Utd ? has Rafa ever been in the position to go out and get 2 or 3 of his 1st choice players ? no he hasn't, we are getting what we deserve
[/quote]
We got beat by Wigan. Not Man U or Chelsea. So, we'll agree that the defeats to Chelsea and Arsenal are perfectly acceptable as they are there or thereabouts in comparison to us. What about the other 7 defeats? Were they a result of working within a budget? Remember that that budget got him an 18 million quid right back and a 20 million quid central midfielder.
[/quote]
Because we haven't got the quality to consistently compete game after game, only quality players give you that consistency
[/quote]
I give in.
[/quote]
I agree with you both:
He's spent badly in quite a few areas.
We don't have enough top quality players either.
[/quote]
But we do because we finished 2nd last season. So Kriss was telling me before.Errrr...hmm...hang on a sec while I get this right. We finished second, had all the motivation brimming over into this season, spent 38 million on a right back and a central midfielder who was injured (we only lost Alonso and Arbeloa in the summer by the way) and we've turned to dog shit.
*Scratches head*
Fucking Parry. Fucking Yanks. Fucking Pope.
[/quote]
Well Alonso was a huge loss, and one we've not recovered from. Injuries haven't helped, and our form's been disasterous all season.
We need better players in quite a few areas though. We've two world class players when we attack - United, Chelsea and Arsenal have about half a dozen each.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066191#msg1066191 date=1268094463]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066176#msg1066176 date=1268093920]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39217.msg1066171#msg1066171 date=1268093721]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39217.msg1066160#msg1066160 date=1268092860]
I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
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There it is again. I'm "fortunate" to be able to watch uninspring drivel again and again and again. You say you'd jump at the chance to stand in the cold and watch it. Of course you say that. Simply because you don't have to do it again and again. It doesn't feel fortunate in the slightest, regardless of what you think. It's a fucking ballache at the moment. A real ballache. You can't easily disconnect yourself from it Ryan. I wish I could.
It won't stop me supporting the team. But I've every right to call it out for what it is. It's a crock of fucking shit. A team full of passionless players led by a manager who can't shake them out of it.
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Sunny, do you think I enjoy setting my alarm for 3am on a Monday morning knowing what I'm about to get up and watch. Do you think the hundreds of other ex-pats and overseason fans from this site do? Do you think the Scandanavian supporters feel 'fortunate' to pay fucking hundreds and hundreds to fly to the UK to watch that?
I am not telling you how to support your team. what I am telling you is that we all feel pain from sitting through defeats regardless of where the fuck we're sitting.
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So we're agreed. It's fucking shite. The defence rests its case m'lud.
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I wasn't arguing with you in the first place Sunny. I prefer to try an analyse things is all.
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I'm not telling you how to or not to support your club Sunny. And believe it or not - most fans feel the same anguish, pain, and despair of supporting that lot, regardless of where they're from or located. The only difference is that you're fortunate enough to be located beside the fucking team. Do you think any one of us given the same opportunity wouldn't traipse up and down the country following the team if they could? I know if I could, I would happily stand in the cold at Wigan on a Monday night.
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There it is again. I'm "fortunate" to be able to watch uninspring drivel again and again and again. You say you'd jump at the chance to stand in the cold and watch it. Of course you say that. Simply because you don't have to do it again and again. It doesn't feel fortunate in the slightest, regardless of what you think. It's a fucking ballache at the moment. A real ballache. You can't easily disconnect yourself from it Ryan. I wish I could.
It won't stop me supporting the team. But I've every right to call it out for what it is. It's a crock of fucking shit. A team full of passionless players led by a manager who can't shake them out of it.
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Sunny, do you think I enjoy setting my alarm for 3am on a Monday morning knowing what I'm about to get up and watch. Do you think the hundreds of other ex-pats and overseason fans from this site do? Do you think the Scandanavian supporters feel 'fortunate' to pay fucking hundreds and hundreds to fly to the UK to watch that?
I am not telling you how to support your team. what I am telling you is that we all feel pain from sitting through defeats regardless of where the fuck we're sitting.
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So we're agreed. It's fucking shite. The defence rests its case m'lud.
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I wasn't arguing with you in the first place Sunny. I prefer to try an analyse things is all.
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