Thoughts from Stoke
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3 centre backs at home, wtf???
Downing in the team when we're playing 5-3-2/3-5-2, wtf???
No Maxi in the squad, wtf???
Kuyt playing up front alone, wtf???
Kuyt playing the full 90, when it was clear he was having a mare, wtf???
Buck stops with the Manager. Not fucking good enough once again.
Downing in the team when we're playing 5-3-2/3-5-2, wtf???
No Maxi in the squad, wtf???
Kuyt playing up front alone, wtf???
Kuyt playing the full 90, when it was clear he was having a mare, wtf???
Buck stops with the Manager. Not fucking good enough once again.
Re: Re: Thoughts from Stoke
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48303.msg1464452#msg1464452 date=1326567813]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=48303.msg1#msg1 date=1326562362]
My thought:
A ridiculously over the top deal for Bent is starting to sound good.
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Thats so wrong, no offence but we dont score goals and people start screaming for a new striker.
We need creative wingers and creative attacking mids.
A Silva, Mata, Hazard type player. I've been saying for ages it seems its pretty fucking dire now.
A striker is just a bonus IMO. So we buy a striker Ok, whos gonna create the goal chances Gerrard. Then were back to square one again.
Not every striker is like Suarez and tbh we're relying on him too much.
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Our main problem (particularly at home) has been putting chances away, not creating them. Today was a bit of an exception in that respect. Kenny just got it very, very wrong.
We need a striker desperately.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48303.msg1464452#msg1464452 date=1326567813]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=48303.msg1#msg1 date=1326562362]
My thought:
A ridiculously over the top deal for Bent is starting to sound good.
[/quote]
Thats so wrong, no offence but we dont score goals and people start screaming for a new striker.
We need creative wingers and creative attacking mids.
A Silva, Mata, Hazard type player. I've been saying for ages it seems its pretty fucking dire now.
A striker is just a bonus IMO. So we buy a striker Ok, whos gonna create the goal chances Gerrard. Then were back to square one again.
Not every striker is like Suarez and tbh we're relying on him too much.
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Our main problem (particularly at home) has been putting chances away, not creating them. Today was a bit of an exception in that respect. Kenny just got it very, very wrong.
We need a striker desperately.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=48303.msg1464491#msg1464491 date=1326582737]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48303.msg1464452#msg1464452 date=1326567813]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=48303.msg1#msg1 date=1326562362]
My thought:
A ridiculously over the top deal for Bent is starting to sound good.
[/quote]
Thats so wrong, no offence but we dont score goals and people start screaming for a new striker.
We need creative wingers and creative attacking mids.
A Silva, Mata, Hazard type player. I've been saying for ages it seems its pretty fucking dire now.
A striker is just a bonus IMO. So we buy a striker Ok, whos gonna create the goal chances Gerrard. Then were back to square one again.
Not every striker is like Suarez and tbh we're relying on him too much.
[/quote]
Our main problem (particularly at home) has been putting chances away, not creating them. Today was a bit of an exception in that respect. Kenny just got it very, very wrong.
We need a striker desperately.
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how many chances did we create today?
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48303.msg1464452#msg1464452 date=1326567813]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=48303.msg1#msg1 date=1326562362]
My thought:
A ridiculously over the top deal for Bent is starting to sound good.
[/quote]
Thats so wrong, no offence but we dont score goals and people start screaming for a new striker.
We need creative wingers and creative attacking mids.
A Silva, Mata, Hazard type player. I've been saying for ages it seems its pretty fucking dire now.
A striker is just a bonus IMO. So we buy a striker Ok, whos gonna create the goal chances Gerrard. Then were back to square one again.
Not every striker is like Suarez and tbh we're relying on him too much.
[/quote]
Our main problem (particularly at home) has been putting chances away, not creating them. Today was a bit of an exception in that respect. Kenny just got it very, very wrong.
We need a striker desperately.
[/quote]
how many chances did we create today?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48303.msg1464492#msg1464492 date=1326583017]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=48303.msg1464491#msg1464491 date=1326582737]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48303.msg1464452#msg1464452 date=1326567813]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=48303.msg1#msg1 date=1326562362]
My thought:
A ridiculously over the top deal for Bent is starting to sound good.
[/quote]
Thats so wrong, no offence but we dont score goals and people start screaming for a new striker.
We need creative wingers and creative attacking mids.
A Silva, Mata, Hazard type player. I've been saying for ages it seems its pretty fucking dire now.
A striker is just a bonus IMO. So we buy a striker Ok, whos gonna create the goal chances Gerrard. Then were back to square one again.
Not every striker is like Suarez and tbh we're relying on him too much.
[/quote]
Our main problem (particularly at home) has been putting chances away, not creating them. Today was a bit of an exception in that respect. Kenny just got it very, very wrong.
We need a striker desperately.
[/quote]
how many chances did we create today?
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Hardly any. Did you not watch it?
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=48303.msg1464491#msg1464491 date=1326582737]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48303.msg1464452#msg1464452 date=1326567813]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=48303.msg1#msg1 date=1326562362]
My thought:
A ridiculously over the top deal for Bent is starting to sound good.
[/quote]
Thats so wrong, no offence but we dont score goals and people start screaming for a new striker.
We need creative wingers and creative attacking mids.
A Silva, Mata, Hazard type player. I've been saying for ages it seems its pretty fucking dire now.
A striker is just a bonus IMO. So we buy a striker Ok, whos gonna create the goal chances Gerrard. Then were back to square one again.
Not every striker is like Suarez and tbh we're relying on him too much.
[/quote]
Our main problem (particularly at home) has been putting chances away, not creating them. Today was a bit of an exception in that respect. Kenny just got it very, very wrong.
We need a striker desperately.
[/quote]
how many chances did we create today?
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Hardly any. Did you not watch it?
Highlights ?
Emmm, Carroll blocking 2 shots, slipping a few times.
Our forays down the wings mostly from our wing backs and they inevitably most of the time cut in because nobody was in the box and even when we got behind the defenders, there was nobody inside the box to meet the crosses.
Kuyt's header was difficult because it was deflected. Adam also missed a sitter.
They had only one shot at goal and defended with 9 players.
Emmm, Carroll blocking 2 shots, slipping a few times.
Our forays down the wings mostly from our wing backs and they inevitably most of the time cut in because nobody was in the box and even when we got behind the defenders, there was nobody inside the box to meet the crosses.
Kuyt's header was difficult because it was deflected. Adam also missed a sitter.
They had only one shot at goal and defended with 9 players.
Delinquent, clearly we are not getting into the knee jerk spirit of things. Today we didnt create enough chances, so the biggest problem this club has ever faced is creating enough chances. What happened in the 20 games before today is irrelevant. Just like Dalglish got it wrong today tactically, so clearly he is a senile old fool, and we should completely disregard the wins at Chelsea (twice) and Man City as random flukes. You dont want to poison your argument by being "balanced" or admit to having doubts, that is shooting yourself in the foot and revealing yourself as a flaming homosexual. Get with the program.
Re: Re: Thoughts from Stoke
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=48303.msg1464491#msg1464491 date=1326582737]
Our main problem (particularly at home) has been putting chances away, not creating them. Today was a bit of an exception in that respect. Kenny just got it very, very wrong.
We need a striker desperately.
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I disagree. We struggle to create as well.
We need a striker but the idea that we were we to just go out and buy a half decent goal hanger all our problems would be solved is a flawed one in my opinion.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=48303.msg1464491#msg1464491 date=1326582737]
Our main problem (particularly at home) has been putting chances away, not creating them. Today was a bit of an exception in that respect. Kenny just got it very, very wrong.
We need a striker desperately.
[/quote]
I disagree. We struggle to create as well.
We need a striker but the idea that we were we to just go out and buy a half decent goal hanger all our problems would be solved is a flawed one in my opinion.
[quote author=iseered link=topic=48303.msg1464500#msg1464500 date=1326586670]
Delinquent, clearly we are not getting into the knee jerk spirit of things. Today we didnt create enough chances, so the biggest problem this club has ever faced is creating enough chances. What happened in the 20 games before today is irrelevant. Just like Dalglish got it wrong today tactically, so clearly he is a senile old fool, and we should completely disregard the wins at Chelsea (twice) and Man City as random flukes. You dont want to poison your argument by being "balanced" or admit to having doubts, that is shooting yourself in the foot and revealing yourself as a flaming homosexual. Get with the program.
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In the 20 games before that we had a fella called Luis pulling the strings and working his socks off to create something out of nothing. That's how important he is to us and sooner we find another player like him, Shakiri, Hazard, Lavezzi, Hoilett, Lazar something or whoever the better. Correction the sooner we find two creative players the better.
Delinquent, clearly we are not getting into the knee jerk spirit of things. Today we didnt create enough chances, so the biggest problem this club has ever faced is creating enough chances. What happened in the 20 games before today is irrelevant. Just like Dalglish got it wrong today tactically, so clearly he is a senile old fool, and we should completely disregard the wins at Chelsea (twice) and Man City as random flukes. You dont want to poison your argument by being "balanced" or admit to having doubts, that is shooting yourself in the foot and revealing yourself as a flaming homosexual. Get with the program.
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In the 20 games before that we had a fella called Luis pulling the strings and working his socks off to create something out of nothing. That's how important he is to us and sooner we find another player like him, Shakiri, Hazard, Lavezzi, Hoilett, Lazar something or whoever the better. Correction the sooner we find two creative players the better.
Agreed, but we weren't scoring enough with Suarez in the team either. And neither was he scoring much himself. We have scored 24 in the league so far, and Bolton have scored 25. So call me crazy, but I think someone who scores loads of goals would be really helpful right now. It is a bit of a silly argument, every goal has an assist attached to it, you wont get the one without the other. Carroll, Downing, Kuyt, and yes even Suarez needs to take the blame for this. They all need to score more and assist more. Or be replaced by players who can.
This game was either a practice game for how we are going to set up the team bus against City...
Or possibly Kenny is lulling City into playing a side that is far too offensive that the leak goals at the back...
Or possibly Kenny is lulling City into playing a side that is far too offensive that the leak goals at the back...
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48303.msg1464474#msg1464474 date=1326573945]
2. downing
actually does hae the pace and willingness to bring the ball forwards but once he gets there has no clue to do with the ball so will more often than not pass it back or square.
that said it was daft to bring offf downing rather than henderson when carroll came on.
wasn't downing bought to provide service for carroll?
3. adam
I think he should be taken off set piece duty know as his corners and free kicks are becoming less effective by the week. I will applaud the fact he at least tries to force the play and pull some a couple of excellent cross field balls.
4. henderson
tidy. that is the best way to describe him, tidy. doesn't take risks, doesn't gamble, doesn't try to force the play, just keeps the ball ticking over and rare gives the ball away when he passes. I do think he has 'something' about him but seemingly terrified to try anything.
5. carroll
I think he could be excellent in the right team with the right service but we don't play in the manner to capitalize on his strengths and don't give him the service he needs.
suarez has been out for a few games, kuyt doesn't have single goal and still carroll is left on the bench for a home game. no midweek game for resting the player can't be used as an excuse.
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It's these names here that we have been mainly talking about all season and i think at this stage it shows how there's still major question marks over them and that they've not proved to be great signings at all. That's roughly 70-75m worth of signings there . For that money we should have had alot more .
Adam started off slowly , looked very unfit (which he denied ) but then had some really strong performances where he really looked the business . Lucas got injured and since he's looked very average . I don't know if that's because without lucas he's playing a different role or what but he's looking poor .
"tidy" is the word i have also been using about henderson all season . He does look semi decent at times and because of his age people are giving him a load of slack and believe he will progress. That might be more than fair enough but if he was say a 28 yr old right now with no excuses you'd have to say alot of his performances are very average . He just doesn't offer a great deal . He needs to man the fuck up and try influence things more .
Downing is just shithouse and well Carroll is the looking the biggest transfer fuck up we ever made . Not only are there questions about his abilities but he doesn't even fit our team so why the fuck buy him .
I think that what has pissed me off so much all this season . All these players came with questions marks over them , whether they could step up or not . Most feared they couldn't and so far it is looking that way . For that money you should be buying players who've already proved they can do it . It's just been such a waste of money .
And that's what i don't get . We're just a bunch of fans on a site , we're not pros in the game but if all of us had fears over these transfers then why couldn't the club see it also . And what was the long term plan ? these signings might have got us forth but they are too average or inconsistant to get us challenging so again in a sense what was the point in signing them .
It's a very tiring season because nothing is changing , it's the same old problems all season . We've won 3 from 9 in the league and are now 5 points off 4th . Guess we just have to hope for decent cup runs .
2. downing
actually does hae the pace and willingness to bring the ball forwards but once he gets there has no clue to do with the ball so will more often than not pass it back or square.
that said it was daft to bring offf downing rather than henderson when carroll came on.
wasn't downing bought to provide service for carroll?
3. adam
I think he should be taken off set piece duty know as his corners and free kicks are becoming less effective by the week. I will applaud the fact he at least tries to force the play and pull some a couple of excellent cross field balls.
4. henderson
tidy. that is the best way to describe him, tidy. doesn't take risks, doesn't gamble, doesn't try to force the play, just keeps the ball ticking over and rare gives the ball away when he passes. I do think he has 'something' about him but seemingly terrified to try anything.
5. carroll
I think he could be excellent in the right team with the right service but we don't play in the manner to capitalize on his strengths and don't give him the service he needs.
suarez has been out for a few games, kuyt doesn't have single goal and still carroll is left on the bench for a home game. no midweek game for resting the player can't be used as an excuse.
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It's these names here that we have been mainly talking about all season and i think at this stage it shows how there's still major question marks over them and that they've not proved to be great signings at all. That's roughly 70-75m worth of signings there . For that money we should have had alot more .
Adam started off slowly , looked very unfit (which he denied ) but then had some really strong performances where he really looked the business . Lucas got injured and since he's looked very average . I don't know if that's because without lucas he's playing a different role or what but he's looking poor .
"tidy" is the word i have also been using about henderson all season . He does look semi decent at times and because of his age people are giving him a load of slack and believe he will progress. That might be more than fair enough but if he was say a 28 yr old right now with no excuses you'd have to say alot of his performances are very average . He just doesn't offer a great deal . He needs to man the fuck up and try influence things more .
Downing is just shithouse and well Carroll is the looking the biggest transfer fuck up we ever made . Not only are there questions about his abilities but he doesn't even fit our team so why the fuck buy him .
I think that what has pissed me off so much all this season . All these players came with questions marks over them , whether they could step up or not . Most feared they couldn't and so far it is looking that way . For that money you should be buying players who've already proved they can do it . It's just been such a waste of money .
And that's what i don't get . We're just a bunch of fans on a site , we're not pros in the game but if all of us had fears over these transfers then why couldn't the club see it also . And what was the long term plan ? these signings might have got us forth but they are too average or inconsistant to get us challenging so again in a sense what was the point in signing them .
It's a very tiring season because nothing is changing , it's the same old problems all season . We've won 3 from 9 in the league and are now 5 points off 4th . Guess we just have to hope for decent cup runs .
R
RedZeppelin
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=48303.msg1464462#msg1464462 date=1326568859]
I think we're a quality attacking midfielder/winger and a quality striker away from being a good side.
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you might be right but we've been saying that for 10 yrs now which is frankly ridiculous .
I think we're a quality attacking midfielder/winger and a quality striker away from being a good side.
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you might be right but we've been saying that for 10 yrs now which is frankly ridiculous .
[quote author=iseered link=topic=48303.msg1464515#msg1464515 date=1326589796]
Agreed, but we weren't scoring enough with Suarez in the team either. And neither was he scoring much himself. We have scored 24 in the league so far, and Bolton have scored 25. So call me crazy, but I think someone who scores loads of goals would be really helpful right now. It is a bit of a silly argument, every goal has an assist attached to it, you wont get the one without the other. Carroll, Downing, Kuyt, and yes even Suarez needs to take the blame for this. They all need to score more and assist more. Or be replaced by players who can.
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Sure we need players who can score, that's a well known fact, but what I'm highlighting is the lack of creativity in the side especially now that Suarez is suspended.
Like I said before and I might be out on a limb here, if we have enough creative (attacking) players on the pitch I believe it will improve both Carroll and Henderson.
Suarez looked so much better when he had Meireles and Maxi around.
Agreed, but we weren't scoring enough with Suarez in the team either. And neither was he scoring much himself. We have scored 24 in the league so far, and Bolton have scored 25. So call me crazy, but I think someone who scores loads of goals would be really helpful right now. It is a bit of a silly argument, every goal has an assist attached to it, you wont get the one without the other. Carroll, Downing, Kuyt, and yes even Suarez needs to take the blame for this. They all need to score more and assist more. Or be replaced by players who can.
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Sure we need players who can score, that's a well known fact, but what I'm highlighting is the lack of creativity in the side especially now that Suarez is suspended.
Like I said before and I might be out on a limb here, if we have enough creative (attacking) players on the pitch I believe it will improve both Carroll and Henderson.
Suarez looked so much better when he had Meireles and Maxi around.
Regards Carroll 'blocking' shots, Henderson hit them at him, hardly his fault.
Carroll was poor though, from falling over through having blades on to not staying in the box enough he didn't impress.
Carroll was poor though, from falling over through having blades on to not staying in the box enough he didn't impress.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48303.msg1464541#msg1464541 date=1326601447]
Regards Carroll 'blocking' shots, Henderson hit them at him, hardly his fault.
Carroll was poor though, from falling over through having blades on to not staying in the box enough he didn't impress.
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But should have started a head of Kuyt regardless imho
Regards Carroll 'blocking' shots, Henderson hit them at him, hardly his fault.
Carroll was poor though, from falling over through having blades on to not staying in the box enough he didn't impress.
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But should have started a head of Kuyt regardless imho
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48303.msg1464573#msg1464573 date=1326622146]
Has anyone ever walked into a football training ground and shot everyone? Like one of those American school shooting but more understandable?
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I would just shoot Kenny. Apart from Suarez he had a full squad available yet his starting lineup was an insult to the supporters. >🙁
Has anyone ever walked into a football training ground and shot everyone? Like one of those American school shooting but more understandable?
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I would just shoot Kenny. Apart from Suarez he had a full squad available yet his starting lineup was an insult to the supporters. >🙁
Oh dear Kenny.
It looked like he had one eye on the League Cup Semi in two bloody weeks! I don't fancy us against Bolton if we're gonna continue like this. Our setpiece deliveries for a team that boasts Gerrard, Bellamy and Adam is fucking woeful. Downing's crossing has gone down the pan, even more frustrating is that Carroll and him don't seem to play too often together. Kenny throws Carroll on yesterday and takes Downing off, I mean, what was the point? Take a fucking defender off!
It looked like he had one eye on the League Cup Semi in two bloody weeks! I don't fancy us against Bolton if we're gonna continue like this. Our setpiece deliveries for a team that boasts Gerrard, Bellamy and Adam is fucking woeful. Downing's crossing has gone down the pan, even more frustrating is that Carroll and him don't seem to play too often together. Kenny throws Carroll on yesterday and takes Downing off, I mean, what was the point? Take a fucking defender off!
It took 60 mins before we changed things around. On selvrealisering occations we had no one in the box. We were relying on Skrtel and Coates at times for hitting attacking crosses into the box. I dont mind playing 3 at the back, but one upfront was horrendous.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48303.msg1464577#msg1464577 date=1326623187]
Oh dear Kenny.
It looked like he had one eye on the League Cup Semi in two bloody weeks! [/quote]
Thinking kenny had resting certain individuals I was going to defend kenny's line up when typing my post so went to the officlal site to get the day of the midweek game with city was going to be played. the game is in TWO WEEKS.
Oh dear Kenny.
It looked like he had one eye on the League Cup Semi in two bloody weeks! [/quote]
Thinking kenny had resting certain individuals I was going to defend kenny's line up when typing my post so went to the officlal site to get the day of the midweek game with city was going to be played. the game is in TWO WEEKS.
was there ever a time when liverpool used to take off defenders for attackers to go full out for the win and to hell with the gaps left by less defenders on the pitch?
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=48303.msg1464581#msg1464581 date=1326623894]
It took 60 mins before we changed things around. On selvrealisering occations we had no one in the box. We were relying on Skrtel and Coates at times for hitting attacking crosses into the box. I dont mind playing 3 at the back, but one upfront was horrendous.
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We've had hardly anyone in the box all season, it reminds me of Arsenal's play, only less pretty.
We literally have tonnes of possession in a horseshoe shape around their box & seem to have no inclination of how to penetrate a defence when Suarez isn't on the pitch.
It took 60 mins before we changed things around. On selvrealisering occations we had no one in the box. We were relying on Skrtel and Coates at times for hitting attacking crosses into the box. I dont mind playing 3 at the back, but one upfront was horrendous.
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We've had hardly anyone in the box all season, it reminds me of Arsenal's play, only less pretty.
We literally have tonnes of possession in a horseshoe shape around their box & seem to have no inclination of how to penetrate a defence when Suarez isn't on the pitch.
every time i see these three and my head hurts and i cant believe we have spent 80 odd million:
carroll
henderson
downing
we could ahve got these three instead
cavani (at the time carroll was bought he would have been possible)
eriksen
hazard.
We bought sqaud players for the price of first teamers.
carroll
henderson
downing
we could ahve got these three instead
cavani (at the time carroll was bought he would have been possible)
eriksen
hazard.
We bought sqaud players for the price of first teamers.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=48303.msg1464685#msg1464685 date=1326632910]
every time i see these three and my head hurts and i cant believe we have spent 80 odd million:
carroll
henderson
downing
we could ahve got these three instead
cavani (at the time carroll was bought he would have been possible)
eriksen
hazard.
We bought sqaud players for the price of first teamers.
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Have we REALLY spent '80 odd million'? As far as I'm aware the figures for Henderson and Downing were wildly inflated by the papers, and Comolli came out and said so at the time. I'm not disputing Carroll was bought for way over his real price but I don't see much point in taking tabloid mischief-making and using it as a stick to beat the club.
every time i see these three and my head hurts and i cant believe we have spent 80 odd million:
carroll
henderson
downing
we could ahve got these three instead
cavani (at the time carroll was bought he would have been possible)
eriksen
hazard.
We bought sqaud players for the price of first teamers.
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Have we REALLY spent '80 odd million'? As far as I'm aware the figures for Henderson and Downing were wildly inflated by the papers, and Comolli came out and said so at the time. I'm not disputing Carroll was bought for way over his real price but I don't see much point in taking tabloid mischief-making and using it as a stick to beat the club.
I think it's a mistake to blame the players. Kenny has a large squad of good players and few injuries at the moment. The reason we couldn't score against Stoke was the way Kenny set the team up with three CB's and Dirk as the lone striker. Any fool could see that wasn't going to work. I am still scratching my head to work out how Kenny thought it was going to work. When Kenny looks at Dirk does he actually see Lionel Messi? :🙂
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