Bah. Buy a right back and put Trent into midfield.
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Bah. Buy a right back and put Trent into midfield.
Poor Curtis
LOL - shit yeah must have been judge - I fell asleep on the couch posting on here last night and woke up at 6AM, yeah was thinking about Thiago in a thong.
No, dont dismantle something that works.
Works? The fucker can't defend at all.
He's a brilliant footballer, don't get me wrong. But his future doesn't lie at RB.
I am on the same page here. He can defend but he will be much more effective in midfield. We need to sign unearth another Robertson from other teams or lower leagues. Then get Trent into midfield, if not next season at least in the coming seasons. Keep Neco Williams as a backup.
So who is Trent going to replace in midfield? He's nowhere near Fabs, Thiago, Hendo level and not as good as Keita or even Jones further forward. He'll not be happy as a benchwarmer that's for sure.
It's true that Trent's main strength ain't defending, but what ultimately matters most is whether the team works well as a unit, and we know it does with Trent at RB when everyone's fit and firing and VAR isn't playing silly buggers with our results. This isn't to say we shouldn't ever move Trent forward, but it IS to say we shouldn't do so until we have a clear plan for improving our right side defensive set-up which doesn't detract from the team's overall balance. This is not something to rush into.
Thiago: "I don't read a word about what people talk about me. I know that I receive some criticism about my performances, but I'm not happy with my performance since I came here.”
Thiago: "A new club, a strange situation [COVID], I had a strong injury, so get to into the rhythm it was hard, but it's not an excuse.”
Thiago on Fabinho:
“Fabinho is a great player. He gives us a lot of confidence. It’s awesome to play alongside him. It meant I could move forward and play with the strikers more. I like it as it means you’re nearer the goal to create chances.”
Thiago: “It’s been a tough period because in our worst nightmares we didn’t expect to be in this position in the Premier League but we’re trying to get better. This is positive for all of us.”
Thiago: "A new club, a strange situation [COVID], I had a strong injury, so get to into the rhythm it was hard, but it's not an excuse.”
Thiago on Fabinho:
“Fabinho is a great player. He gives us a lot of confidence. It’s awesome to play alongside him. It meant I could move forward and play with the strikers more. I like it as it means you’re nearer the goal to create chances.”
Thiago: “It’s been a tough period because in our worst nightmares we didn’t expect to be in this position in the Premier League but we’re trying to get better. This is positive for all of us.”
We’ve won the Premier league, CL and World Club Championship with Trent at right back.
Our defensive stats last season were insanely good.
Why would you move a key part of our attacking play, and someone had a zillion assists when the CBs were fit into midfield?
The full backs are a big part of Klopps plan and tactics, but you want to remove a player made for that and who is already performing brilliantly there?
It makes no sense. Dont try to fix something that isnt broken.
Our defensive stats last season were insanely good.
Why would you move a key part of our attacking play, and someone had a zillion assists when the CBs were fit into midfield?
The full backs are a big part of Klopps plan and tactics, but you want to remove a player made for that and who is already performing brilliantly there?
It makes no sense. Dont try to fix something that isnt broken.
Then he’d be the first midfielder!
Imagine a prime Gerrard in a Klopp team..
He would have unleashed Stevie good style!
Fix the rest of the team first before trying to fix Trent, doesn’t mean he can’t improve his defending but some of it comes from the fact he is just pushed really high due to him and Mo being ultimately the only creative force over the last 4 months.
Lets fix:
Left side - Robbo and Mane need their Mojo back because this side is now broken
Midfield - Fabio back in midfield or Naby fit
Defense - Settle on a pairing, stick to center backs and give Nat a run
Then move Trent up but in current formation, he will be better in Right side forward than midfield...
Lets fix:
Left side - Robbo and Mane need their Mojo back because this side is now broken
Midfield - Fabio back in midfield or Naby fit
Defense - Settle on a pairing, stick to center backs and give Nat a run
Then move Trent up but in current formation, he will be better in Right side forward than midfield...
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I think people wanting Trent in midfield are talking about long term. The other things are short term to be solved problems.
Hendo in his 30s, Thiago will be 30 in the next month, Ox seems to have lost the starting spot in the midfield, Keita cant be relied upon, Milner almost about to hang his boots soon.
I see Trent's future as a deputy to Fabinho or Henderson in the long term. We need some leadership aka Hendo/Gerrard in the midfield, may be not immediately in the next season but after that. Curtis is too young for that.
Hendo in his 30s, Thiago will be 30 in the next month, Ox seems to have lost the starting spot in the midfield, Keita cant be relied upon, Milner almost about to hang his boots soon.
I see Trent's future as a deputy to Fabinho or Henderson in the long term. We need some leadership aka Hendo/Gerrard in the midfield, may be not immediately in the next season but after that. Curtis is too young for that.
Personally I don’t think Trent’s skills fit our midield 3 unless we switch to more of 4 and he plays on right like Beckham even long term. I think he will be wasted there especially if we can’t find a RB of similar levels.
Better off getting another midfielder as we need to regardless anyway for now with Gini leaving.
FSG must realise key areas need refreshers with top talent rather than gambles this summer.
Better off getting another midfielder as we need to regardless anyway for now with Gini leaving.
FSG must realise key areas need refreshers with top talent rather than gambles this summer.
He's a winger who does some defending rather than a defender who does some attacking. All his benefits come from being out wide. If you pushed him further forward it would be to replace Salah, not to be a workhorse Gini replacement. His best position in this system is where he is.
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My issues with Trent are, more than any other player, he doesn't seem as committed as he was, or needs to be.
Against Chelsea, when the ball was played through to mount, Trent should have sprinted back to cover him letting Fabs stay in the middle. Instead he took the easy option of letting Fabs go out and him cover inside. Fabs got skinned (which Trent wouldn't have) and then Trent put in a half arsed effort to block.
Against RBL he gave that guy soo much space. Never any urgency to close him down. It was only their shit end product that let us off.
I don't mind him getting caught out upfield - that's the way we play. But when he is caught out, then he needs to make every effort to get back. He's not currently
Against Chelsea, when the ball was played through to mount, Trent should have sprinted back to cover him letting Fabs stay in the middle. Instead he took the easy option of letting Fabs go out and him cover inside. Fabs got skinned (which Trent wouldn't have) and then Trent put in a half arsed effort to block.
Against RBL he gave that guy soo much space. Never any urgency to close him down. It was only their shit end product that let us off.
I don't mind him getting caught out upfield - that's the way we play. But when he is caught out, then he needs to make every effort to get back. He's not currently
This , he's proven time and time again to be a twinkle toes at the edge of the box and frequently beats his man to the byline to whip a ball across the area , I'd honestly prefer to see Trent start in Salah wide right role with Salah in the middle and mane to the left than origi shoe horned in and it would definitely be preferably to him being bypassed in midfield
I've thought about this, and if Gerrard was under klopp instead of houllier I think that he'd have been a better tactical player earlier but a hell of a lot less fun to watch. Trent's role in our midfield if he were in it would be primarily defensive. A benefit would be his ability to distribute play (which we already have). He's worse than all our midfielders on the ball.
It's not fun to play in our midfield if you like making assists and scoring. If Gerrard were in our midfield, that's what he would have done. Gerrard also would have played right back several times as needed because every manager saw his utility there at some point, and our right back isn't a right back.
Or Suarez
How’s so? Trent is the best passer of the ball in this team other than Thiago - surely moving him more centrally would give him more angles and options for those passes. And one thing he doesn’t get to try enough at RB is shooting - if he adds direct goal threat to his game, this will create more unpredictability and make his passing game more effective as well.
Wouldn't his lack of defensive nous issues be exposed further in the middle? Klopp does expect all of his midfielders to put in a shift defensively.
I used to mention this (including Trent) and would get shot down...
Obviously Jurgen knows better than me but he's not perfect....
Trent in midfield makes a it of sense...Ever since Coutinho ledt Klopp always seems to be concerned about having three midfielders that can hustle and defend. However the last 3 years his midfielder choices lack decent creativity.
Sure it's worked out that we've won loads of games and trophies. But I always feel that if Klopp could just tweak his system just enough to include a hardworking creative ball runner then we would have that dynamism we've lacked to break those parked buses with efficiency and ease.
I would at least experiment with Trent in the middle and Neco in RB. Maybe with Gini going we might get to see that happen?
There's some truth in that. Unfortunately there's truth the other way to. Have a look at our goals conceded and weigh up how many come down that side. It's not all down to him playing so advanced, when he's asked to defend he fails quite a lot. It's not a big ask for a more solid right back, other sides have good attacking right backs who can defend. Nor is it ridiculous to talk about Trent eventually progressing to midfield, he has more than the quality to play there and eventually take over from Henderson's inside-right role.
It's hardly an "if it ain't broken don't fix it" scenario, you can only assume that perspective if you totally concentrate on his attacking impact. Unfortunately right backs have to defend too and every time we play a decent side he gets found out, this season it hasn't always had to be decent sides either. Like I said, watch the goals. He got shredded by Rashford 3-4 years ago, exactly the same thing happened again this season. It's hardly a one off.
There are many ways to look at why he can struggle in some games, but in total our defensive record speak for itself with him as a right back.
His heat map usually suggest he is much more involved in our attacking play then what right backs usually are, and his passing and crossing are a great weapon for us to have from that side of the field. The combination of Robertson - TAA is one that should continue.
Also look at the relationship between TAA and Salah, and back 5.
Maybe he'll move into midfield, but it dont see the point in that now. In the twilight years of his career, sure. Now, no.
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