The United/liverpool hate

[Fabio]

I'm a fan of rivalries, but it's getting out of hand now surely?

Signs over the motorway calling us murderers, constant chanting, our fans sneaking in their end to unveil signs, signs saying "hang the roma 4"

Hell, even our players are involved

kids who weren't alive at either disaster (hillsborough or munich) are using the dead to point score, not even understanding what it means. I know when I was younger I sang a Munich song (much to my shame), without knowing about it fully

Is there a way to stem this hate? How can it be solved?

 

[Woland]

I was singing loads of Harold Shipman songs in the pub last night

 

[Mystic]

If this entire scandal against Jordan Williams about him putting a plane emoticon? Or was the video in the tweet one of a Munich song?

 

[Frogfish]

Signs over the motorway calling us murderers .......

They've been put up numerous times before.

Human beings are pretty despicable animals and there isn't much that can be done to change human nature, hate and/or the desire to hurt/kill or for revenge will always surface in times of stress.

 

[gkmacca]

UEFA have charged us for chants, amongst other things. So they couldn't hear the mancs chanting at Anfield but they managed to hear a few idiots chanting yesterday. Well done UEFA!

Manchester United and Liverpool have been charged by Uefa following crowd trouble during the Europa League last-16 second leg at Old Trafford.

Rival fans were seen fighting in the stands, seats were thrown and flares were lit at Thursday's 1-1 draw, during which five men were arrested.

Both clubs have been charged with crowd disturbances and throwing of objects.

Liverpool, who won 3-1 on aggregate, have also been charged with illicit chants and the setting off of fireworks.

The case will be heard by Uefa's control, ethics and disciplinary body on 19 May, the day after the Europa League final in Basel.

The hatred is Ferguson's real legacy to the game. He couldn't find a way to get an advantage except by polluting the atmosphere at games with pure naked hatred. He must be so proud.

 

[Mystic]

UEFA have charged us for chants, amongst other things. So they couldn't hear the mancs chanting at Anfield but they managed to hear a few idiots chanting yesterday. Well done UEFA!





The hatred is Ferguson's real legacy to the game. He couldn't find a way to get an advantage except by polluting the atmosphere at games with pure naked hatred. He must be so proud.

That's just unbelievable... What were we even chanting, I've heard nothing on this?

 

[davud graham]

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How the fuck have Utd not been charged with Illicit chants as well? You could clearly hear them on the Television calling us Murderers so how the Uefa Officials in the ground managed not to hear them last week and last night is beyond me.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

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How the fuck have Utd not been charged with Illicit chants as well? You could clearly hear them on the Television calling us Murderers so how the Uefa Officials in the ground managed not to hear them last week and last night is beyond me.

We even won that 5-3

 

[Lippy]

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How the fuck have Utd not been charged with Illicit chants as well? You could clearly hear them on the Television calling us Murderers so how the Uefa Officials in the ground managed not to hear them last week and last night is beyond me.

David Gill

 

[Lippy]

I'm a fan of rivalries, but it's getting out of hand now surely?

Signs over the motorway calling us murderers, constant chanting, our fans sneaking in their end to unveil signs, signs saying "hang the roma 4"

Hell, even our players are involved

kids who weren't alive at either disaster (hillsborough or munich) are using the dead to point score, not even understanding what it means. I know when I was younger I sang a Munich song (much to my shame), without knowing about it fully

Is there a way to stem this hate? How can it be solved?

I really do hate the cunts but I wouldn't bother me arse with Munich or Shipman songs. I leave that to the bellends.

 

[JohnnyRocket]

My brother in law is a rugby man rather than a football one. He always says to me that in rugby the opposing supporters can drink together and be mates after the game. My argument to him is that I don't want to bloody have drinks and be mates with other supporters after the game. What I've always like about football is the fierce passion and edginess. Back in the day you used to actually hear some charming chants coming from terraces that were digs at the opposition, but pretty harmless.

The United Liverpool thing is just ugly. I agree that it's been escalated by Ferguson. It isn't a rivalry anymore, its just a hatred. A proper rivalry is what we have with Everton. Massive passion and competitiveness on the pitch, but when it matters a deep respect between the two clubs.

I just find it absurd how some 'supporters' can spend more time singing about 'murderers' than their own team. "Right lads, we need 2 goals, let's get behind the team, they need us!! Ok, - 'The S*n was right . . .. '" It reminds me of how many times under Ferguson, when they got a big call from a ref go against them, he'd spend more time shouting and having a frothy at the officials for the majority of the half than coaching his own team.

 

[gkmacca]

It's a disgrace that UEFA act in this way. You can't judge the second leg of this without also considering the first. The first leg saw the mancs chant so loudly, for so long, that even media reports that usually ignore such things felt compelled to comment on it. So it was hardly a surprise if some Liverpool fans, albeit wrongly, responded in kind in the second game. Presumably UEFA will say they couldn't act on the first game because the ref didn't hear anything, but must act on the second game because, somehow, the ref's hearing suddenly improved (did he get his ears syringed?) and he reported all of that stuff. It beggars belief.

 

[Judge Jules]

Johnny R: I'm with your brother-in-law on this TBH. I too value the passion and edginess of footy BUT for me it ends when the final whistle blows, or should do, and when I played rugby I enjoyed the aspects which he describes.

I'll make an exception for Ferguson though. He was a tremendous manager but a despicable human being, and I agree that some of the worst features of this rivalry, and arguably the modern English game overall, are traceable back to him personally.

 

[gkmacca]

I just find it absurd how some 'supporters' can spend more time singing about 'murderers' than their own team. "Right lads, we need 2 goals, let's get behind the team, they need us!! Ok, - 'The S*n was right . . .. '" It reminds me of how many times under Ferguson, when they got a big call from a ref go against them, he'd spend more time shouting and having a frothy at the officials for the majority of the half than coaching his own team.

Quite. I never get the obsession with opposing fans. Loads of fans these days spend all of the game singing about the other club. I couldn't give a toss about the other club. I just don't get it. Last night the mancs did the 'sign on' song, then the Gerrard song, then a few sick chants, then they went home. Bizarre.

 

[RedStar]

I think the media have been turning their heads while this gets worse and worse over the last 10 years. Sky have a product to sell and they dont want it compromised by the unsavory side of the game but they are happy to throw fuel on the fire that feeds those sentiments.

I remember watching a game several years ago between Utd and Arsenal at Old Trafford, Wenger was sent to the stands for arguing with the officials. When he went into the crowd as directed they stood up en masse and started chanting 'Arsene Wenger is a pedophile' I thought at the time they wont allow this to go unpunished, its not just abuse its slander in front of an audience of millions and clearly audible. It wasnt mentioned in any match reports or remarked upon by any pundits. They didnt want to know, it was vile and everybody accepted it. The media can wring their hands all they like but are complicit in this, they will all wring their hands about the Munich and Hillsborough chants now that its been reported but if Uefa werent interested they wouldnt give a shit.

 

[cloggypop]

Ajax and Feyenoord have banned each others away fans since 2009. It was due to run out last year but instead was extended. Currently away fans are even banned from the youth games due to knobheads.

We should do something similar.

 

[Athens]

Remember when Gary Neville ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of the Liverpool fans?

I blame him.

 

[dantes]

It's a disgrace that UEFA act in this way. You can't judge the second leg of this without also considering the first. The first leg saw the mancs chant so loudly, for so long, that even media reports that usually ignore such things felt compelled to comment on it. So it was hardly a surprise if some Liverpool fans, albeit wrongly, responded in kind in the second game. Presumably UEFA will say they couldn't act on the first game because the ref didn't hear anything, but must act on the second game because, somehow, the ref's hearing suddenly improved (did he get his ears syringed?) and he reported all of that stuff. It beggars belief.

Then it is the easiest legal defence imaginable. The club diligently took all reasonable steps to ensure the good behaviour of its fans, but those efforts were undermined by UEFA's inaction the previous week. If UEFA turn around and fine us, the club may as well change its kit to pink and yellow.

 

[dantes]

It's a fucking business at the end of the day. You can't keep paying out these dickheaded fines every five minutes. The line needs to be drawn.

 

[peekay]

If Mourinho takes over the Mancs, he will tune up the hatred to a whole new level.

 

[manwithnoname]

We even won that 5-3

Quality.

As for the hatred, well, I'm not sure if it's worse. I think the largely vile, echo chamber of retarded hatred that is social media has amplified certain aspects of it. I saw the punch up in the upper tier and I wasn't shocked, angered or outraged. Some scallies infiltrated their fans in a totally calculated and orchestrated show of defiance, and then got a few lumps belted out of them, deservedly. And doubtless threw a few back. Big fucking deal. I don't think it was worthy of being described as "despicable".

The chanting? It's always going to be there. We sing about Munich. They call us murderers. We write "hang the roma 4" on banners, they mock Hillsbrough on banners.

As a biased Liverpool fan from Liverpool, I am duty bound to proffer the opinion that the Mancs started it, and they're worse and they're louder and more consistent, and more hateful.

And the last time I was in a group of lads singing "How many Lived...." or "Hark Now Hear The Kopites sing..." or any other Munich song was in an RE lesson at school when I was about 13.

 

[manwithnoname]

If Mourinho takes over the Mancs, he will tune up the hatred to a whole new level.

Erm....worse than Baconface? I'm not so sure about that.

 

[HC]

I'd imagine it's partly down to how mediocre both sides have become,its two pronged , you generally don't enjoy the performances and seconylyy if you can't laud quality over the opponent it's pretty easy to become purile or cunty in your behaviour when youre a thicko.

 

[peekay]

Erm....worse than Baconface? I'm not so sure about that.

I think he will. Especially if we compete with them and are a threat to them. Look at the Madrid- Barca rivalry when he was there. As much as I hate Baconface, he never resorted to poking opposition managers in the eye. Mourinho will ramp up the hatred to a whole new level.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Lochness shared a link on fb saying the echo is a Manchester paper now and it should be boycotted as they spin everything against Liverpool.

Has anyone else heard this?

 

[Piedro]

Yes it's printed in Manchester now. Has been for a couple of years.

 

[manwithnoname]

Lochness shared a link on fb saying the echo is a Manchester paper now and it should be boycotted as they spin everything against Liverpool.

Has anyone else heard this?

What a load of total fucking bollocks

 

[refugee]

What a load of total fucking bollocks

You're not really a fan of boycotting newspapers

 

[manwithnoname]

You're not really a fan of boycotting newspapers

fine, carry on telling everyone that the Echo and its editorial team are actually a bunch of undercover Mancs with an anti-Liverpool agenda, simply because Trinity Mirror print the paper in Manchester.

It's not at all embarrassingly paranoid and stupid

 

[cloggypop]

I wouldn't buy it because it's shit. Just seems to be advertising features for new burger restaurants and secret bars these days.