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Is it under threat?

The fees being demanded for players now are insane. Even the top tier clubs can't afford to continually shell out 100M plus for players, surely.

But that's become the new going rate for a big club.

That puts players wanting moves in a very difficult position as we've seen. How does the Coutinho saga, for example, play on the minds of other players when they're about to sign a new contract. Will we start to see a lot more players refuse to sign?

Both for clubs and players - at least at the top end of the football chain - the current situation doesn't seem sustainable.
 
keniget said:
Is it under threat?

The fees being demanded for players now are insane. Even the top tier clubs can't afford to continually shell out 100M plus for players, surely.

But that's become the new going rate for a big club.

That puts players wanting moves in a very difficult position as we've seen. How does the Coutinho saga, for example, play on the minds of other players when they're about to sign a new contract. Will we start to see a lot more players refuse to sign?

Both for clubs and players - at least at the top end of the football chain - the current situation doesn't seem sustainable.
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Keni - usually there are increases of gradual note - but last summer with the PSG bollocks - it's taken it to a whole new level. What makes this even worse is that i really don't think the players we have today are of the same quality from the past.

What i also think is driving the prices up is the number of scouts and the cash rich clubs buying up more than was traditionally needed. Take Man City - the subs bench could be be first team players in 90% of other clubs, same for Man U, and Chelsea. No doubt PSG, Barca, Real are the same, along with Bayern. Don't know where this will all stop.
 
I'd just run my contract down if I was a player. And then I'd make sure the new one I signed was only 2 or 3 years and do it again. Why not?
I think some regulation might be required as all this is just putting more money into the hands of the players and their agents, rather than the clubs. Although, what the regulation could be, fuck knows.
 
LarryHagman said:
I'd just run my contract down if I was a player. And then I'd make sure the new one I signed was only 2 or 3 years and do it again. Why not?
I think some regulation might be required as all this is just putting more money into the hands of the players and their agents, rather than the clubs. Although, what the regulation could be, fuck knows.
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There should be a separate employment law for football clubs and any sports teams in general where huge transfer fees are paid by clubs to get a player. I think that ruling - moving on a free should actually have conditions like you can move if you were not bought with an initial fee. Otherwise we run the risk of destroying those clubs into financial ruin that could seriously cause problems on what can be considered part of a nations sporting culture. Football is big in this country and across the world - if player+agent demands are going to lead to clubs collapsing then government needs to intervene if they already don't - so really this is an issue for:-

1) UK government for all clubs in PL
2) Spain - all clubs except for Barca and Real which I think are state sponsored anyway.
3) Germany all clubs except Bayern Munich - probably also state sponsored.
4) Italian Clubs - except Juventus as they seem well protected.
5) France - all clubs except PSG as it is run by the richest nation in the world per capita.
 
moron said:
There should be a separate employment law for football clubs and any sports teams in general where huge transfer fees are paid by clubs to get a player. I think that ruling - moving on a free should actually have conditions like you can move if you were not bought with an initial fee. Otherwise we run the risk of destroying those clubs into financial ruin that could seriously cause problems on what can be considered part of a nations sporting culture. Football is big in this country and across the world - if player+agent demands are going to lead to clubs collapsing then government needs to intervene if they already don't - so really this is an issue for:-

1) UK government for all clubs in PL
2) Spain - all clubs except for Barca and Real which I think are state sponsored anyway.
3) Germany all clubs except Bayern Munich - probably also state sponsored.
4) Italian Clubs - except Juventus as they seem well protected.
5) France - all clubs except PSG as it is run by the richest nation in the world per capita.
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Don't be ridiculous. If football wants to go nuts why should the government care?
 
LarryHagman said:
I'd just run my contract down if I was a player. And then I'd make sure the new one I signed was only 2 or 3 years and do it again. Why not?
I think some regulation might be required as all this is just putting more money into the hands of the players and their agents, rather than the clubs. Although, what the regulation could be, fuck knows.
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Yeah but fuck the clubs
 
Hyena said:
Don't be ridiculous. If football wants to go nuts why should the government care?
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Because it benefits them in ways you know not. First it is part of the cultural fabric of this country and second if people are not talking about football then more focus will turn to them. Also the clubs themselves provide a good chain of employment across various businesses.

I aint asking for them to bail out clubs (like the spanish gov does for real madrid).. i am asking for a change in employment law to ensure there are measures to protect the interests of the club and movement of players between clubs should be on that list.
 
I don't see Fifa or Uefa doing anything about it.
Despite nobody ever voting for this, the EU decided itself that it had the authority to deal with sports issues. Thats what led to Bosman, the Webster Rule etc.

The CJEU made its feelings known about transfer fees, if an appropriate case was before them you might see the fixing of transfer fees (by reference to the contract terms) or an aboloshment. ..

That said i wonder whether the last year has been an abberation.
 
It’ll literally mean that players will not sign new contracts and wait till their contracts run down and then decide what they want to do, or they’ll start signing 2 year contracts rather than 5.

It’s the only sustainable way
 
A salary and transfer cap system would be the best solution for all involved but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

You can't blame the players or agents either.

Don't hate the player, hate game.
 
Zlate Nikolovski said:
It’ll literally mean that players will not sign new contracts and wait till their contracts run down and then decide what they want to do, or they’ll start signing 2 year contracts rather than 5.

It’s the only sustainable way
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Nothing wrong with this. It's a risk both parties take - long contracts give the players some security in case of injury / turning shit etc.
 
If you signed a five year contract and you've seen it through, then you deserve to be employed by whoever you wish, at whatever wages you can command.

players are not cattle. (Even if they call themselves an Ox)
 
If they get permanently crocked when without a contract, none of the clubs will pay them anyway; so when they are healthy they should be allowed to max out their value. Fair game.

This world is just a step from being fucked up anyway. The superrich of the likes of Jack Ma and Elon Musk could pretty much buy a nation if they want to, it just hasn't happened yet.
 
It's uniquely a problem for clubs who don't win anything.

I don't recall players from United, Chelsea, City, Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona etc running their contracts down.

Kevin De Bruyne is about to sign a deal at City until he is 32. He's currently 25.

If I'm Sanchez at Arsenal or Goretzka at Shalke or Can at Liverpool or whoever, seeing the same shit year in year out I'd run my contract down. If you're playing at a club winning trophies year in year out you stay where you are. The answer for a club like ours is to start winning trophies.

Selling our Coutinhos and Suarez and Sterling's every year will not achieve that.
 
Zlate Nikolovski said:
It’ll literally mean that players will not sign new contracts and wait till their contracts run down and then decide what they want to do, or they’ll start signing 2 year contracts rather than 5.

It’s the only sustainable way
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If you were a club would you pay 90m for a player who only signs a 2 year contract??
 
We keep saying the bubble will burst, but it never does. TV revenues, sponsorship, shirt prices etc all increase in tandem and the whole thing spirals even more.

I'm guessing with Brexit, uncertainty in the EU and general instability throughout Europe, that we're not far off seeing financial collapse or at the very least, recession like struggles in certain countries, and maybe that's where the tide will start to turn. The biggest threat as ever to financial stability in football, is whether the fans keep paying the prices, but attendances are still high (and many big clubs are increasing stadium size, or moving to bigger stadiums), as are shirt sales. TV package subscriptions I'd imagine are at a low with KODI and other market threatening apps and devices making live football all the more accessible, but it's hard to see where it will really hit to such a degree that clubs will have to reign it all in. We're forever expanding to other markets and covering all corners, but then so is everyone else, so where does it stop?
 
With TV subscriptions reducing then it’s not profitable to bid such massive amounts. TV companies may need to re-evaluate their models to get people back on board.
 
momoWASboss said:
With TV subscriptions reducing then it’s not profitable to bid such massive amounts. TV companies may need to re-evaluate their models to get people back on board.
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We'll probably see the like of Amazon bidding for the rights on the next occasion which will prolong the bubble
 
Rosco said:
We'll probably see the like of Amazon bidding for the rights on the next occasion which will prolong the bubble
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That’s the rumour. Amazon will stream tennis this year.

I’d prefer to have better match options. As I don’t give a toss about West Brom v Southampton. That won’t happen until the Saturday 3pm kick off embargo is lifted.
 
There's a FFP v2.0 being put together, which apparently has European "old money"' behind it (ie Real and Barcelona) and is being put to a UEFA vote in May.

Proposals include:

1) A limit of 25 pros on the books at any club, to prevent Chelsea-style horse-trading and extensive use of feeder clubs and loans.
2) A limit of £90m net transfer spend per season, so huge splurges like we have seen from United, City and PSG will not be allowed, without recouping funds.

I welcome anything that will curtail the spending power of clubs that are owned and funded by Middle-East countries.
 
keniget said:
We just need to a Spotify / Netflix type model where people can see all the games and then a lot of people will fuck off the free streams.
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Yep, the biggest lie that the targets of piracy tell themselves is that it's caused by solely by people not wanting to pay. Truth is it's down to a reasonable price, but most importantly accessibility. A service which combined value with a good easy to access service would make a fucking fortune.
 
The game has always had rich owners splashing the cash. It’s just that now we have very rich countries (Qatar) competition against each other and this is unstainable even for the rich clubs like bayen.
 
manwithnoname said:
There's a FFP v2.0 being put together, which apparently has European "old money"' behind it (ie Real and Barcelona) and is being put to a UEFA vote in May.

Proposals include:

1) A limit of 25 pros on the books at any club, to prevent Chelsea-style horse-trading and extensive use of feeder clubs and loans.
2) A limit of £90m net transfer spend per season, so huge splurges like we have seen from United, City and PSG will not be allowed, without recouping funds.

I welcome anything that will curtail the spending power of clubs that are owned and funded by Middle-East countries.
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The problem is the punishment right? A fine! Or a limit on players allowed to play in the championship league.

It won't stop until teams are banned from European football for it. Actual proper bans.
 
The American sports seem to have the fairest method of letting the poorer performing teams getting the first pick, salary caps, etc.

I can't see the first option being implemented here. Especially as teams have their academies while american's recruit from the colleges.

The second option of a salary cap might help things. Would UEFA implement it, though? They would risk losing players to the emerging Chinese market.
 
Would there be a way round the wage cap such as “subsidies” from kit manufacturers? Look at the Coutinho deal. Say Barcelona were restricted to pay him £100k/week could Nike then pay him another £100k/week. Nike justifies this by not paying a kit deal cost to Barcelona.
 
Zlate Nikolovski said:
It’ll literally mean that players will not sign new contracts and wait till their contracts run down and then decide what they want to do, or they’ll start signing 2 year contracts rather than 5.

It’s the only sustainable way
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That isn't in any way sustainable. Most people here are only thinking in terms of transfers between huge clubs, but many clubs depend on the flow of cash from top clubs to those with little and with no chance of winning trophies.

Probably most of the Football League would struggle to exist without income from transfers.

And as for no compensation for developing players .. why would any club bother if the player could then just walk away to a larger club, or one that pays more, whenever their 2 year contract is up ? Think in terms of Division 1 or 2 and not the PL.

UEFA can set a maximum net spend per season and they sooner they do that the better, however no doubt under the table payments will stall that bill too.

As for agents .. they are the ones that need to go fuck themselves, scourge of the earth. The money they get paid for doing virtually fuck all (in relative terms) is hideous.
 
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