The Tiki-Taka Turnaround
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I believe you can find that balance in this system, however it's dependant on individual brilliance in the final third.
With a creative player or two good enough to find & exploit the space there you can be exceptionally attacking.
The difference is when you don't have those players there you aren't simply sitting back inviting pressure & looking for a ball on the break.
I think we have two of those players in suarez & Gerrard. Possibly two coming through in a year or so in hendo & shelvey.
We need one or two more though.
With a creative player or two good enough to find & exploit the space there you can be exceptionally attacking.
The difference is when you don't have those players there you aren't simply sitting back inviting pressure & looking for a ball on the break.
I think we have two of those players in suarez & Gerrard. Possibly two coming through in a year or so in hendo & shelvey.
We need one or two more though.
Just as an addendum to my last post, you can see that's why arsenal have suffered, & why they are so reliant on one player for goals.
Whilst Spain playing without a striker for much of this tournament is strange, I think it proves only that del bosque isn't fully confident in torres ability to retain possession or score chances, so doesn't want to risk defeat by giving the ball back, choosing instead to trust his players to convert at least one chance. During tournament football when 0-0 after 90 mins is never a bad result that's perfectly understandable & they've gotten to the final doing it too.
Whilst Spain playing without a striker for much of this tournament is strange, I think it proves only that del bosque isn't fully confident in torres ability to retain possession or score chances, so doesn't want to risk defeat by giving the ball back, choosing instead to trust his players to convert at least one chance. During tournament football when 0-0 after 90 mins is never a bad result that's perfectly understandable & they've gotten to the final doing it too.
i'm torn on this one. I love pass and move footy, working in triangles, 1-2s, give and go's ETC but I cannot stand too much sideways and backwards passing to keep posession at a slow pace.
Some spain games look like exhibition matches and their players are almost walking with the ball for long spells.
I do think they should play a striker and would you believe it after all the media "4-4-2" is outdated/never work/time to change BLAH BLAH good old Italy play 4-4-2 and beat the germans.
come on Italy, they deserve this Euro
Some spain games look like exhibition matches and their players are almost walking with the ball for long spells.
I do think they should play a striker and would you believe it after all the media "4-4-2" is outdated/never work/time to change BLAH BLAH good old Italy play 4-4-2 and beat the germans.
come on Italy, they deserve this Euro
A good read that post. Nice one. The main problem we have in this country is people have lost the ability to have discussions based on critical thinking. When I was a lad in the pub, way before the internet and the Sky bullshit, people had opinions based on knowledge they gleaned 'THEMSELVES' by going to games. Now all it takes it one red top cunt of a so-called 'journalist' to spew some utter drivel more than twice i.e. Spain are boring, and the next thing you know every mouth-breathing twat in the country is repeating it through their stupid, Carling drinking mouths.As with everything else in the western world (politics, religion, who is the most talented (ahem) on some no-mark TV singing contest) now there is now provision for a grey area where discussion can take place, there is only black or white, with-us-or-against rhetoric. We are now America in all but name.
I kinda covered that in my fuck off long post up the top of this thread. 😉
Only messing, though I did allude to it, it Is almost certainly inevitable that in defending his style they are now in a position where they have to say the opposite of that is bad. Spain not always playing with a striker has given them the opportunity & they've grabbed it with both hands & are currently fucking the arse out of it with no lube.
Well I saw a photo of oncey in some & he wears the fuck out of them. The swarve looking cunt.
So sometimes, nothing, it seems.
I did read your post Jon but I have the memory of a goldfish😳
As I rarely have an original though in my head I was probably just repeating subliminally what you had said🙂
I agree wholeheartedly with what you are saying.
Hodgson has a style?
Just think if Spain win Torres will have picked up a Champions League winners medal, an FA cup winners medal AND a European championship Winners medal all in one season WITHOUT EARNING ONE OF THEM
Fucking hell. Has anyone actually read my post?
What post?
*looks for 'ban ginger' button*
Spain are just lacking balance without David Villa. Plus the Barca players and Silva looked fucked towards the end of last season and it's showing again in the Spanish team.
If England successfully defended their way to the final, it would've been regarded as brave, plucky and all that other dumb shit despite regularly producing some of the most boring international football I've had the misfortune of watching. Spain have done what they've needed to do given that they're nowhere near their best. They're not great to watch at the moment, I agree, but I don't get what's so offensive about them.
If England successfully defended their way to the final, it would've been regarded as brave, plucky and all that other dumb shit despite regularly producing some of the most boring international football I've had the misfortune of watching. Spain have done what they've needed to do given that they're nowhere near their best. They're not great to watch at the moment, I agree, but I don't get what's so offensive about them.
Practically EVERYWHERE is America in all but name these days... Meaning that, though America gets slated worldwide, 'cos it's the easy and popular thing to do, it's really no worse than anywhere else out there, when you delve down into the everyday nut and bolts of things.
Regarding Spain, for me, it's this simple... They are so emmensely talented, so much better than almost everybody else, that it's boring to watch them basically play keep away, like a bunch of teenagers playing against a pack og 9 year olds. They're so good, that they will win virtually all of their games in doing so, but that doesn't make it exciting. Impressive, yes. But that's not the same thing. Several times in the France game, for example, when a longer, diagonal ball would have released the wide player(s), at times almost through on goal, they chose to go square or backwards and play 7 three yard passes, allowing the French to regroup, and away we go again, for 2 to 3 minutes of uninterupted square balls... That annoys me.
It looks like they're taking the piss out of the other team, mate. And, though they're good enough to do it, that doesn't mean that it's exciting. It is often dull, bordering on boring.
Fair enough Whaddapie. I often find I'm in the minority but I remember clearly when football was about winning, not entertaining an audience. What a neutral TV watcher thinks of any team to me is immaterial. I watch and support my own team and I don't give a toss about any others. We were pretty boring in the 70's quite often. Controlling play, stifling the opposition, passing them to death, just doing enough. Would you rather be remembered in the future as great to watch but a loser (Arsenal now, Holland in the 70s) or horrible to watch with a bulging trophy cabinet (Arsenal in the late 80s/early 90s, Leeds in the 60s and 70s)
I know which I'd choose. This idea that teams from a country other than the one you support have a responsibility or obligation to supply people watching on television some form of entertainment, like it's a play or a film, is beyond me.
Oh and you're lucky if you've never tasted Carling.
When I can't sleep at night I imagine the delight I'll feel when the backlash begins.
I think a lot of posters may change their opinion on tiki-taka once they see how we play in the next few years. We will bore people to death, but if we win shit then you gotta love it.
I've always said I want results above aesthetics
For neutral games though where I want to enjoy the game, it is a bit dour
people dislike of tiki-taka is probably down to jealousy - very few teams in the history of the game can play like this and win trophies - barca and spain are doing it. counter attack football instinctively relies upon the mistakes of the opposing team which you can then take advantage - inherently its a lazy way of playing because it puts hte onus on the other team to do make a mistake. tiki-taka on the other hand is a profound expression of intent: we want to play and deny you the very oxygen of football, possession of the ball - we have the skill, means and possession to dictate the game - we make the ball do the work and not the other way around. if we could play like that and win we would be creaming ourselves. enjoy what you are seeing as no other team is likely to play like this and win things for a long long time.
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