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The Tiki-Taka Turnaround

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In recent times a few things have happened that have had an effect on public perception of tiki-taka football.

1. Chelsea, playing 'backs to the wall' 'brave john terry' 'proper English footy' won the CL final against a team who played tiki taka football.

Never mind the fact that if that match were replayed another 10 times Chelsea probably wouldn’t win once. Never mind the fact that they were battered throughout. Never mind the fact the Barca play the most attractive football that at least two generations of fans have every actually seen.

2. Brendan Rodgers, lauded for playing exceptional tiki taka football with a Premiership newcomer, getting results against almost all the big sides & finishing about 12 places higher in the league than any pundit predicted, gets the Liverpool managers job.

Journalists from every major paper state that he talks well & see the appointment as risky, but visionary. Then we see a pattern emerging, repeating, to be exact. The same tables, & graphs, all pulled from the same interview with Rodgers a year ago. Journalists were clearly left standing with this, their personal knowledge, bar a few, was severely lacking.

3. Roy Hodgson is appointed as England manager (typing those words makes me wonder if I'm dreaming & this keyboard is about to turn into Kelly Brook's arse). His 'style' of football being "Don’t TRY to get the ball, just defend for fucks sake boys, you never know; we might score from a free kick. That would be utopia, to be awarded a free kick". His disregard for possession stats "I don’t look at those, they're meaningless" is somehow either ignored by the press or lauded as some kind of fucking hidden genius. This despite some truly shocking performances from his England side, dragged reluctantly into the quarter finals, before the weight of carrying 5 passengers became to much for Gerrard at this age, & he collapsed into a shadow of himself, forced to accept Roy's plan of doing everything they can to get penalties, what with England being so good at penalties. The press start to see 'anti-possession' & counter attacking that consists solely of 'fucking hope you get something' as 'the English way', using Chelsea as an example of what we should aim for with this England side.

4. Spain play with no striker in their first four Euro 2012 matches. The English media, reluctant to turn on Roy just yet (they will have a timeline planned out already) turn their attentions to this side who are a symbol of everything this new English revolution of anti possession ‘play dead’ football is fighting against. This side have the audacity to ‘kill football’ (taken from a newspaper header today) by not playing a striker & winning games 1-0. Apparently they’ve ruined the fantastic football they used to play by not playing a forward & therefore not being penetrative enough. Never mind the fact they won most of their World Cup 2010 matches 1-0 & were praised for their style of play. Never mind the fact that they’re in their third final in recent history. Never mind that they have the ball that much that the opposition cant score, because when Spain finally do mis-hit a pass the player who receives it is so confused wondering what this spherical object at his feet is & what he should do with it, that Spain simply take it back again.

This probably reads a bit like a rant. That’s because it is.

The English media (mostly the print media, but some network slants) has a new axe to grind, & as Rodgers, & therefore Liverpool, will be using that system, you can be damn sure they’ll be taking us to pieces the moment they see a crack in his system or player error.

Not only that, but the great unwashed, who know fuck all about football, are increasingly repeating this ‘boring brand of football’, ‘not the English way’ bollocks.

When you’re sat at Anfield, either next season, but more likely the one after, watching us stroll around 1-0 up against Utd, passing the ball again & again, the crowd shouting ‘woooaahhhh’ at the 82nd pass in a row whilst Fergie’s head explodes with rage & he further destroys his molars he’s chewing that hard, you tell me if it’s ‘boring’, cos I’ll love every fucking minute.
 
That's the best rant I've read all day. It's even better than Oncey's I hate the internets rant.
 
Ha. Great post Jon.
I agree with much of it. Obviously I have made it clear that im not a massive fan of this brand of football. Simply because its boring to watch.
I much prefer Madrids power and pace game to Barcelonas strangle the life out of you game.
Likewise in England I prefer to watch United to Arsenal.
I think a team who can properly counter attack with pace and still keep the ball is the perfect team.

Spain do bore the fucking arse off me to be honest. I wanted portugal to win.
 
Ha. Great post Jon.
I agree with much of it. Obviously I have made it clear that im not a massive fan of this brand of football. Simply because its boring to watch.
I much prefer Madrids power and pace game to Barcelonas strangle the life out of you game.
Likewise in England I prefer to watch United to Arsenal.
I think a team who can properly counter attack with pace and still keep the ball is the perfect team.

Spain do bore the fucking arse off me to be honest. I wanted portugal to win.

It's not boring to watch though! In the same way that UFC on the mat isnt boring. Instead of looking at the ball, look at the players moving, & where the opposition are moving to, it simply pulls & pushes, dragging them round & creating space everywhere, it's another dimension to the play. Whilst I can understand watching a match as a neutral it being less entertaining than a 4-3 end to end game, when you're watching the redmen play keepball at Anfield & creating space everywhere, simply suffocating teams before killing them off, it will be entertaining as fuck, not to mention the less proficient teams being hammered as we get so many chances.
 
Didn't we play in a similar way during the late 80s and wasn't their current style modelled on our style?
Our current team with especially Agger, Lucas, Aquilani, Maxi and Suarez would excel if that style is implemented. But we need to strengthen the side and recruit more players who are comfortable with the ball.
I'd promote Suso and Adorjan in an instant if I were Rodgers.
 
It's not boring to watch though! In the same way that UFC on the mat isnt boring. Instead of looking at the ball, look at the players moving, & where the opposition are moving to, it simply pulls & pushes, dragging them round & creating space everywhere, it's another dimension to the play. Whilst I can understand watching a match as a neutral it being less entertaining than a 4-3 end to end game, when you're watching the redmen play keepball at Anfield & creating space everywhere, simply suffocating teams before killing them off, it will be entertaining as fuck, not to mention the less proficient teams being hammered as we get so many chances.
Its shite to watch. (so is UFC). And dont get me wrong JF i dont need goals to enjoy football. Im a massive fan of Italian football and scraping a 1-0. Its the non progression of this shit that pains me.
Spain meh.
 
Me & thee disagree about so little, but it pains me when we do.

*cries inside*
Ha. Like you say, if it was us or England id be all like 'I LOVE THIS SHIT' like I was in 1983 but watching those arrogant bellends not allowing the other team to even play makes me sick.
There is not a hint of humility in Barcelona or Spain. I hate them utterly. I hope Italy fucking ruin them.
 
What bugs me about Spain (and Barca to an extent) is that it seems like they over-think things. I'm just like 'put it in the net already' whereas they're agonising over the perfect assist.
 
Ha. Like you say, if it was us or England id be all like 'I LOVE THIS SHIT' like I was in 1983 but watching those arrogant bellends not allowing the other team to even play makes me sick.
There is not a hint of humility in Barcelona or Spain. I hate them utterly. I hope Italy fucking ruin them.

Fucking Spain copying fucking Scotland with their negative shithouse no striker shite

It's arrogant and titty
 
I agree with you John, I cant believe Roy didnt get more of a battering (well I can really but you know) and we come home happy that the players are happy..like I give a crap if the players are happy I want them to win not arsed about a happy camp.

When they played Portugal they played the ball out of their own goal-line twice in the last five minutes of the game cool calm and collected it was brilliant to watch. I didnt see much of Swansea but I hope Rodgers can bring something like that to LFC I would be over the moon.
 
Thought Spain were quite dull to watch personally. Just felt they over passed it at times. I preferred Portugal with their high line pressing and more direct football.
 
In recent times a few things have happened that have had an effect on public perception of tiki-taka football.

1. Chelsea, playing 'backs to the wall' 'brave john terry' 'proper English footy' won the CL final against a team who played tiki taka football.

Never mind the fact that if that match were replayed another 10 times Chelsea probably wouldn’t win once. Never mind the fact that they were battered throughout. Never mind the fact the Barca play the most attractive football that at least two generations of fans have every actually seen.

2. Brendan Rodgers, lauded for playing exceptional tiki taka football with a Premiership newcomer, getting results against almost all the big sides & finishing about 12 places higher in the league than any pundit predicted, gets the Liverpool managers job.

Journalists from every major paper state that he talks well & see the appointment as risky, but visionary. Then we see a pattern emerging, repeating, to be exact. The same tables, & graphs, all pulled from the same interview with Rodgers a year ago. Journalists were clearly left standing with this, their personal knowledge, bar a few, was severely lacking.

3. Roy Hodgson is appointed as England manager (typing those words makes me wonder if I'm dreaming & this keyboard is about to turn into Kelly Brook's arse). His 'style' of football being "Don’t TRY to get the ball, just defend for fucks sake boys, you never know; we might score from a free kick. That would be utopia, to be awarded a free kick". His disregard for possession stats "I don’t look at those, they're meaningless" is somehow either ignored by the press or lauded as some kind of fucking hidden genius. This despite some truly shocking performances from his England side, dragged reluctantly into the quarter finals, before the weight of carrying 5 passengers became to much for Gerrard at this age, & he collapsed into a shadow of himself, forced to accept Roy's plan of doing everything they can to get penalties, what with England being so good at penalties. The press start to see 'anti-possession' & counter attacking that consists solely of 'fucking hope you get something' as 'the English way', using Chelsea as an example of what we should aim for with this England side.

4. Spain play with no striker in their first four Euro 2012 matches. The English media, reluctant to turn on Roy just yet (they will have a timeline planned out already) turn their attentions to this side who are a symbol of everything this new English revolution of anti possession ‘play dead’ football is fighting against. This side have the audacity to ‘kill football’ (taken from a newspaper header today) by not playing a striker & winning games 1-0. Apparently they’ve ruined the fantastic football they used to play by not playing a forward & therefore not being penetrative enough. Never mind the fact they won most of their World Cup 2010 matches 1-0 & were praised for their style of play. Never mind the fact that they’re in their third final in recent history. Never mind that they have the ball that much that the opposition cant score, because when Spain finally do mis-hit a pass the player who receives it is so confused wondering what this spherical object at his feet is & what he should do with it, that Spain simply take it back again.

This probably reads a bit like a rant. That’s because it is.

The English media (mostly the print media, but some network slants) has a new axe to grind, & as Rodgers, & therefore Liverpool, will be using that system, you can be damn sure they’ll be taking us to pieces the moment they see a crack in his system or player error.

Not only that, but the great unwashed, who know fuck all about football, are increasingly repeating this ‘boring brand of football’, ‘not the English way’ bollocks.

When you’re sat at Anfield, either next season, but more likely the one after, watching us stroll around 1-0 up against Utd, passing the ball again & again, the crowd shouting ‘woooaahhhh’ at the 82nd pass in a row whilst Fergie’s head explodes with rage & he further destroys his molars he’s chewing that hard, you tell me if it’s ‘boring’, cos I’ll love every fucking minute.
I love it when you post stuff like this FFF. My thoughts and optimism personified. 🙂
 
Good post, and very passionate - I wanted to have a wa*k when you mentioned Kelly's backside. I do think that it can get a bit boring, BUT I have no idea why everybody has to have a name for this style of football - what is it other than 'pass and move' ? that was the way of LFC in the 80's anyway so if Brendan brings this style we would be returning to form. I saw the Brazil team of 82, and footage of the Brazil team of 70 and from what I know the first instance of this type of football was introduced to the world in the Olympics of 1924 when Uruguay showed the world this type of football which was later taken on by Argentina and then later by Brazil. It was also the football that inspired the great Hungarian team that fucked over England all those years ago.

Regarding the media reports - I know its sounds harsh and a little unfair on Spain but those questions about this type of relentless passing needs to be asked because lets face it Arsenal are the closest team to this style and they have not won anythning since 2005 (I could be wrong). So I don't think its a huge guarantee for this league or indeed England. It is also a case of a generation of players coming together through the same system who naturally know each others game and are able to play in that way and no other way which is what Barca are. I think from this tournatment what England need to do first is learn how to f*cking pass the ball to each other and when they pass the ball to another player - they need to learn not to stand there and look at the player they have passed to ( I include SG in that category too ), they need to pass and then either they or other players need to provide options for that player with the ball so that he can pass the object to another player - I know it REALLY sounds simple, but England just cannot do that.


What I will say though is that on Sunday I hope Italy win - mainly because for me I disagree with the no striker policy that Spain are employing - they are effectively playing 4-6 formation. I never ever support Italy in any international tournament but this is the first Italy side I have seen in my lifetime who actually pass and move - having watched their league many years ago when it was on Channel 4 I could never work out why there national team played such defensive boring football when their players were very technically gifted. I think Pirlo they have a Zidane type figure in their team and are making use of him to the full and can afford to play a more attacking style which makes me believe that they can win the game on Sunday and other than Portugal they have managed to contain them to some degree but Italy managed to score against them.
 
How any 'football' fan can dislike Spain's style is laughable.

I could watch them all day long. I love Xavi's interview from last year about always looking for space,
 
How any 'football' fan can dislike Spain's style is laughable.

I could watch them all day long. I love Xavi's interview from last year about always looking for space,

Its not laughable Pat, it's someone's opinion.

Andy, have to warn you about the insult.

People need to respect other's rights to have a different opinion to their own, be it football, music, women's breasts, or chinos.
 
Football is cyclic, it always has been. Defensive football will work for a few years, then attacking football will return to the fore, and so on. Like Oncy said, I'd much prefer a balance, teams attacking and defending as a team, with power.
 
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