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I don't want to mention to get into this whole thing again but racial history if Uruguay is different to UK I believe, I don't pretend to understand the migration pattern of another country but what I do know is UK, if a black person UK tells me he doesn't like being called negro in the field of football then you have to respect that. In the 70s when migration was mass, the sort of rubbish people had to go through was disgracefull and we should be wary of saying it's allowable on a field of football just because it's ok in another country. It's not clear whether if it was used as derogatory sense but seems from the report they seemed to think it was. I don't want this sort of word acceptable at any level, it sends a clear message out to sunday league to all premier league. We should not start comparing UK to Uruguay as the model, UK has a massive population made of many different backgrounds with many relating to the british empire, no way can both countries be compared directly.
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I agree, however the problem is the FA charge suggests that Suarez was actively racially provoking Evra and knew full well what he was doing. He was not and did not. He should have had a match ban and told to apologise for his ignorance and been educated in the way.
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Nobody is saying it's "ok", Rubans… At least, they shouldn't be, if they are. I think that the majority of folks who oppose the ban and want to give Luis the benefit of the (enormous) doubt in this case are saying the cultural differences here should be taken into account, and the punishment is far, FAR too severe for the 'crime'.
With no evidence of any racial intent, with the inconsistencies of the number of times the word was said - Ten, then seven, then 5… - with Luis' honesty about saying a word that's not racist where he comes from once, with Evra's obvious lying as to being offended by the existence of the word, with Luis' lack of any previous track record for such behaviour, etc… Why was 8 games a fair sentence? Why not a warning as to future behaviour and a class on racial sensitivity in the UK?
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I know that, but it's a set of fans choosing to pick one person's word over another. For the most part becuase there is absolutely no evidence to support the accusation of racial abuse... It's not a LFC V Man U thing. It's a right V wrong thing. I have no idea who is right and who is telling the truth, my point is just because it's ok another country doesn't justify it here. Again, nobody said it's ok. We said that the cultural differences, lack of previous, etc... should be taken into account when the judgement is made - They were not, in the case itself or on this forum, in many instances.
If Suarez has been found guilty rightly ( based on the evidence FA acted according to them) then 8 games is fair in order to stamp this kind of rubbish out, it sends a clear message. Not bothered about how other countries react. But obviously that is if Suarez is guilty as FA believe and he has acted in and used that word in malicious sense. Do YOU feel like he's guilty based on the report..? I don't. Many others don't. And that's my point... If he'd been captured using vile words a la EBJT, I'd want him out before the end of the day... El Hadj Diouf disgraced our club and I despise him with a passion ever since. If I felt Luis had done what he's accused of, I'd feel the same way. But I don't. And I do not see how any rational, inteligent person can look at the 'evidence' presented in that case and agree with the findings...
Racial sensitivity course?, really?, I have no idea what they are like but I doubt they are nothing more than a box ticking exercise. Since the ban, we have yet to hear from Suarez publically unless I have missed something so I have no idea what he thinks or his perceptions of other races, only thing we have is a conflicting FA report. Maybe if I know more about Suarez then I might change my mind.
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I don't understand your stance on this, mate. But then again, I don't understand the stance of many on this...
If Luis Suarez was your brother or your son, and he'd been accused and convicted in this manner, would you feel the same way..?
Racism is vile and wrong. Nobody here disagrees with that sentiment. But so is injustice, just to give Sepp Blatter the fingers.
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Surely you can understand a person's view point can be different, in the report it seems to imply that he wanted to kick Evra on the basis he was blacks. Did I misunderstand that?
If so then maybe I didn't read it all properly but it seems to also mention he said negro around 7 times? ( the last time I remember?).
From someone who has seen this on school playgrounds and sunday league / non league where it was common 10yrs ago , it can affect a person differently as Barnes mentioned on his interview and not all can handle it, and what FA are doing this is setting precedence based on the decision for racial abuse. My view is, if that's the case 8 games is justified.
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I do understand that, Rubans.
But do you understand that all of that is based purely on Evra's word Vs Suarez's word. There is no actual evidence that anything was said 7 times - Or was it 10, which Evra initially said, or 5 which Ferguson later said - or that whatever was said had racial overtones.
I'm not debating that racisim is wrong or that people react differently or that Suarez couldn't possibly have done this... I'm saying that I don't understand how you - or anybody - could agree with the verdict and the punishment based on the "evidence" present in this case... They did nothing but prove that they believe Evra's side of the story.
And yet Suarez's reputation is forever sullied based on maybe's and could haves... It's just not right, mate.
