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The price is wrong, bitch.

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I made a poll at the time and as far as I recall more than 60% of posters thought Ibe would turn out to be a better player.
 
I would only sell Coutinho to fund the transfer for Mbappe. Many people say we have no chance to sign him whatsoever - I think it's not true. By all accounts Kylian's career is smartly managed by his family who themselves come from sports background. They must know that a move to Real Madrid or another club of that caliber is premature at this point. Just like Ousmane Dembele, his best option is to find the best and richest team that can guarantee him playing time - I believe LFC fits the bill perfectly, especially if Coutinho is sold, thus freeing up his favored left flank.

The problem for us would be whether Barca would be decisive enough, while they are searching for a new manager, to sanction the Coutinho transfer early enough in the window so that we have time for our approach for Mbappe. I believe we should make it clear to all parties that one transfer is conditioned on the other; we can't repeat the Suarez/ Alexis Sanchez mistake in selling our best player without securing an adequate replacement first.

Of course all of this is pre-conditioned on getting the CL. If we fuck up in the last couple of games, the likes of Mbappe or Naby Keita would be out of reach.
 
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How could the Coutinho transfer be made dependent on a deal for Mbappe when Mbappe doesn't play for the club which would be trying to sign Coutinho?
 
I always really, really liked Sterling, due to my pace-blindness. I would admit that he can be (literally) hit and miss with both his finishing and his passing/ crossing - he should score 15 goals a season really - but we badly miss him, especially when Mane isn't playing.

Sometimes (often?) football can be quite simple, and you just need someone fast and skilful to run past other players more quickly than anyone else.

And you need those clever little fuckers to find the room the can sprint into, which is Coutinho. He has been on his best when playing With Firmino and Mane, interacting with them, picking out Lallana, Milner, Clyne, Wijnaldum on their way into rooms opened up by Firmino. And on top of that he has also used these rooms efficiently himself, among other to move in and have a shot from distance.

That he is nowhere as efficient now is because the movement in that third of the field is much more static, or one and one. It doesn't leave much room for a player like Coutinho to shine. But we will adress this next year and reach that top level again. So we should keep him.
 
How could the Coutinho transfer be made dependent on a deal for Mbappe when Mbappe doesn't play for the club which would be trying to sign Coutinho?

Easy. We don't have to sell Coutinho - so if we don't have a world-class talent to replace him, he stays.
 
How could the Coutinho transfer be made dependent on a deal for Mbappe when Mbappe doesn't play for the club which would be trying to sign Coutinho?

Like buying and selling a house. I'm buying X on the condition Y happens.

Why Monaco would agree to it I don't really know but Ajax seemed to do it with Suarez when 'paperwork' held up the deal for a couple of weeks. That 'paperwork' coincidentally resolved itself when we agreed the deal to sell Torres.
 
I would only sell Coutinho to fund the transfer for Mbappe. Many people say we have no chance to sign him whatsoever - I think it's not true. By all accounts Kylian's career is smartly managed by his family who themselves come from sports background. They must know that a move to Real Madrid or another club of that caliber is premature at this point. Just like Ousmane Dembele, his best option is to find the best and richest team that can guarantee him playing time - I believe LFC fits the bill perfectly, especially if Coutinho is sold, thus freeing up his favored left flank.

The problem for us would be whether Barca would be decisive enough, while they are searching for a new manager, to sanction the Coutinho transfer early enough in the window so that we have time for our approach for Mbappe. I believe we should make it clear to all parties that one transfer is conditioned on the other; we can't repeat the Suarez/ Alexis Sanchez mistake in selling our best player without securing an adequate replacement first.

Of course all of this is pre-conditioned on getting the CL. If we fuck up in the last couple of games, the likes of Mbappe or Naby Keita would be out of reach.
So the M'bappe, Keita & Dolberg 'window' is back on!?!

On a slightly more serious note I don't think it's set in stone that he will pick either Real or Barca for various reasons including the ones you list.

.........................Wini..................Keita..........................
Mané.............................................................Coutinho
......................M'bappe.............Dolberg.......................

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
 
So the M'bappe, Keita & Dolberg 'window' is back on!?!

On a slightly more serious note I don't think it's set in stone that he will pick either Real or Barca for various reasons including the ones you list.

.........................Wini..................Keita..........................
Mané.............................................................Coutinho
......................M'bappe.............Dolberg.......................

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Sorry, if we buy Mbappe I'm not sure we need Dolberg. Actually Firmino would be a perfect foil, doing all the donkey work up front while possessing enough creativity and class to feed two goal-hungry wing-forwards in Mane and Mbappe. In theory, that could be one hell of an attacking trio.
 
Sorry, if we buy Mbappe I'm not sure we need Dolberg. Actually Firmino would be a perfect foil, doing all the donkey work up front while possessing enough creativity and class to feed two goal-hungry wing-forwards in Mane and Mbappe. In theory, that could be one hell of an attacking trio.

Don't apologize to me mate, but to all Liverpool fans around the world missing out on watching arguably the most promising striker of the universe at Anfield - only because you feel like accommodating Firmino to do 'donkey-work'..

*tsk*
 
Don't apologize to me mate, but to all Liverpool fans around the world missing out on watching arguably the most promising striker of the universe at Anfield - only because you feel like accommodating Firmino to do 'donkey-work'..

*tsk*

Yeah. Strange stuff... Over here we normally apply the Danes to do the donkey work!! ;-)
 
I've said it before but this reminds me of the Sterling situation - "he's inconsistent", "he'll rot on their bench" and so forth and so forth. Then we realize the following season that a) he's not going to rot on the bench, b) we miss him far more than we thought we would and c) the replacement that was supposed to be as good, if not better, is actually nowhere near.

Yeah I remember your posts. There was a few of us against the sale or Sterling. I even hoped he'd sack his agent, apologise and stay.

-Some thought that we should sell because he wasn't worth 50 million.
-Some thought Ibe would be better in the long run.
-Some thought Ibe (who looked good at the time) was already better.
-Some thought City signing Sterling would tie up funds they could use on another player and it wouldn't improve them greatly.
They signed Kevin De Bruyne soon after. Oh and took arguably our best player.

I hope we don't have to spend a summer dealing with a transfer saga only to find us trying to make peace with it and start praying we get a decent fee, or a decent pie in the sky swap deal. I don't ever trust it will work out for us selling our best players so yep, firmly in the Do Not Sell camp.
 
Yeah I remember your posts. There was a few of us against the sale or Sterling. I even hoped he'd sack his agent, apologise and stay.

-Some thought that we should sell because he wasn't worth 50 million.
-Some thought Ibe would be better in the long run.
-Some thought Ibe (who looked good at the time) was already better.
-Some thought City signing Sterling would tie up funds they could use on another player and it wouldn't improve them greatly.
They signed Kevin De Bruyne soon after. Oh and took arguably our best player.

I hope we don't have to spend a summer dealing with a transfer saga only to find us trying to make peace with it and start praying we get a decent fee, or a decent pie in the sky swap deal. I don't ever trust it will work out for us selling our best players so yep, firmly in the Do Not Sell camp.

Let's also not forget the important point Sunny made a few posts ago:

Fuck Barcelona
 
And again, top headline in Sport ... this is going to be going on the whole fucking summer.

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Klopp has said he isn't selling anyone unless he wants too. FSG have said we don't need to sell to buy.

Either it's the truth or putting it out there we won't be making it easy for any potential buyers.
 
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