I was referring more to the likes of Spurs, A.Madrid, Sevilla, Dortmund and Porto.
The price is wrong, bitch.
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I was referring more to the likes of Spurs, A.Madrid, Sevilla, Dortmund and Porto.
Do not sell. He's an integral part of the team and I'm fed up of us selling our best players. We'd probably get 50 million if it came to it. That doesn't even get you two top tier players these days, plus it's harder to attract top players when your best players are leaving.
I'd be very surprised if it was only £50M. This is a world where Andy Carroll and Benteke transferred for over £30M
90 million? Fuck yes.
Suarez wasn't the replacement, so shouldn't count. We were going to buy him anyway of our own volition. When it came to replacing Torres, we opted for Carroll. So you see, there is no exception to the rule.
It being made up is irrelevant. Our owners will open up the boston herald this morning and see that figure, get an erection, and starting making political moves inside the club to push Coutinho out the door. Tacitly bullying him to make him feel unwelcome. Then by the time we realise we're not getting more than 50 for him, he'd have become so disillusioned anyway, we'll have no choice but to make the deal.
He has been hit and miss with us, brilliant on his day and terrible when he's not. However he has consistently been one of the best players in a strong Brazilian side, so there is a case that he plays better when surrounded with better players.
He gets alot more space and more movement up front in the Brazilian team, which he will get with Barcelona. I personally think he will be very good for them. His injury record though, is pretty shit.
He gets alot more space and more movement up front in the Brazilian team, which he will get with Barcelona. I personally think he will be very good for them. His injury record though, is pretty shit.
I don't love Coutinho in the same vein as others. He's clearly extremely good, but I dunno, there's just something about him...
That said, I wouldn't sell him. His best years are to come, and I think we're seeing a diet-Coutinho when you surround him with the players we do. Get 2-3 more absolute top class players alongside him, and he'll improve 25% too. I get the impression he doesn't do the 'main man' role in the same way Suarez or Gerrard were comfortable to. He's a bit reserved, a bit meek, which is fine I guess.
Put a few more Mane's along with him, and we'll have an incredible attack, and a better Coutinho.
That said, I wouldn't sell him. His best years are to come, and I think we're seeing a diet-Coutinho when you surround him with the players we do. Get 2-3 more absolute top class players alongside him, and he'll improve 25% too. I get the impression he doesn't do the 'main man' role in the same way Suarez or Gerrard were comfortable to. He's a bit reserved, a bit meek, which is fine I guess.
Put a few more Mane's along with him, and we'll have an incredible attack, and a better Coutinho.
Fuck no. Remember how sexy he was with Suarez and a boss Sturridge? Let's sign good players, play them with our other good players, and win things
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Is the club in charge of players today?
I'm not sure they are. I think players fuck off when the grass looks greener elsewhere. Bit like us switching jobs.
Best you can do is get the best possible deal and look magnanimous,
I'm not sure they are. I think players fuck off when the grass looks greener elsewhere. Bit like us switching jobs.
Best you can do is get the best possible deal and look magnanimous,
I think Ryan is correct in that Coutinho is an excellent complimentary player.
But for him to be worth more than 75-90m to us, he needs to do more than what he does at present. And i'm far from certain he'll take the next step and become our best player and/or one of the top players in the game.
The best players succeed no matter where they line up in the team but we've seen Coutinho go through ineffective spells when played out wide. Which is exactly the same problem as we have with Lallana. Having one play centrally inhibits the other that has to play out wide. In circumstances where we've committed heavily to Lallana over the next few years there's an argument to say we may be better off by spending the Coutinho money.
Both of them do miss parts of every season - so that rectifies itself at times. In a season with European competition we can alternate them more rather than waste one on the wing.
But is that better than having the opportunity to land two/three new players ? What if it meant deals for Keane/Dolberg/ a winger ?
For me walking away from up to 90m for Coutinho is a risky decision.
But for him to be worth more than 75-90m to us, he needs to do more than what he does at present. And i'm far from certain he'll take the next step and become our best player and/or one of the top players in the game.
The best players succeed no matter where they line up in the team but we've seen Coutinho go through ineffective spells when played out wide. Which is exactly the same problem as we have with Lallana. Having one play centrally inhibits the other that has to play out wide. In circumstances where we've committed heavily to Lallana over the next few years there's an argument to say we may be better off by spending the Coutinho money.
Both of them do miss parts of every season - so that rectifies itself at times. In a season with European competition we can alternate them more rather than waste one on the wing.
But is that better than having the opportunity to land two/three new players ? What if it meant deals for Keane/Dolberg/ a winger ?
For me walking away from up to 90m for Coutinho is a risky decision.
Of course it is. But there's been enough examples discussed of clubs who recycle players and still have a great team; I think we mentioned Juve, and I suppose they're already a better team than us, so can afford to sell and buy with less risk.
But let's not pretend that selling our better players is without risk too, especially given there's no guarantee we would actually spend the money well.
There would be no risk if the club simply hired me to be its transfer tsar.
For 250k a year and unlimited nuggets i'd save us millions every year. And have us top of the league.
Even if we spend half of the money correctly we probably end up better.
The £250k per annum shouldn't be a problem but I reckon the unlimited nuggets might push you out of their price range
He's not worth 90M nor do I think anyone would offer 90M. Bit, if they did, hands should be bitten off.
The fact that we buy poorly with any money we have is a separate issue and should be dealt with irrespective of whether Coutinho is sold or not.
The fact that we buy poorly with any money we have is a separate issue and should be dealt with irrespective of whether Coutinho is sold or not.
Again, it's all well and good criticising Coutinho's output and saying he's not worth "X" and we should snap their hands off if we're offered that... but money in and of itself is of no use to us. We need to be sure that that it will buy us players good enough to make losing Coutinho worthwhile.
I've said it before but this reminds me of the Sterling situation - "he's inconsistent", "he'll rot on their bench" and so forth and so forth. Then we realize the following season that a) he's not going to rot on the bench, b) we miss him far more than we thought we would and c) the replacement that was supposed to be as good, if not better, is actually nowhere near.
When the the big clubs are looking to offer us a huge sum of money for one of our players, it's usually because they're actually very very good.
And given that we have struggled greatly that attract players of a high calibre in the last few years, we shouldn't treat the sale of one that we already have lightly.
I've said it before but this reminds me of the Sterling situation - "he's inconsistent", "he'll rot on their bench" and so forth and so forth. Then we realize the following season that a) he's not going to rot on the bench, b) we miss him far more than we thought we would and c) the replacement that was supposed to be as good, if not better, is actually nowhere near.
When the the big clubs are looking to offer us a huge sum of money for one of our players, it's usually because they're actually very very good.
And given that we have struggled greatly that attract players of a high calibre in the last few years, we shouldn't treat the sale of one that we already have lightly.
Nobody thought his replacement would be better, surely?
And, like Sterling, much of the downplaying of his quality is driven by the helplessness and anger that we may not be able to do anything about him leaving if he really wants to join a club who are more likely to win trophies. Like Sterling did.
The amount of people who were telling us Ibe was gonna be better was mental, both in here & IRL.
One point me & Liam (Sheik) were doing an almost daily routine of the same posts trying to convince people they were talking shite.
I always really, really liked Sterling, due to my pace-blindness. I would admit that he can be (literally) hit and miss with both his finishing and his passing/ crossing - he should score 15 goals a season really - but we badly miss him, especially when Mane isn't playing.
Sometimes (often?) football can be quite simple, and you just need someone fast and skilful to run past other players more quickly than anyone else.
Sometimes (often?) football can be quite simple, and you just need someone fast and skilful to run past other players more quickly than anyone else.
Loads of people were ambivalent about Sterling leaving and there were more than a handful of people of the opinion that Ibe was well on his way to being the better player.
I think we often underrate our own.
I remember Markovic coming in for big money and just looking miles and miles away from the players that Coutinho and Sterling were at the time.
That's what we need to remember here. Don't think 90M. Think Markovic, Beneteke, Balotelli, Lovren. That is what we've gotten for our money more often than not.
This summer is huge for Klopp. Even moreso if Coutinho goes not in the least because he'll be burdened with the responsibility of proving that we've learned from past mistakes.
Yeah, me & thee are on the same page when it comes to pace. Often a pacey but otherwise average player, esp in forward positions, can do a great job simply because they're quick.
Cisse for example. Powerful shot & great pace aside he was a bang average forward, but he was very effective at times (despite me disliking him for continually being offside. Like all the fucking timel
Cisse for example. Powerful shot & great pace aside he was a bang average forward, but he was very effective at times (despite me disliking him for continually being offside. Like all the fucking timel
Yeah, totally.
I think we underrate and overrate our own players, it's not really one or the other.
Mind you, doesn't explain Ibe's failure. Although obviously just being able to run quick, usually isn't quite enough.
It definitely isn't enough on its own. Wenger has always had a team full of athletes & often they've looked sub par.
Whenever our side has a complete lack of pace though (far too often) we struggle massively, & then we play a bang average team with a pacey striker or winger & make them look like fucking superstars.
It's one of my main bug bears with our team, & with this continual obsession with intricate passers of the ball as if pace doesn't matter, when it clearly fucking does.
Whenever our side has a complete lack of pace though (far too often) we struggle massively, & then we play a bang average team with a pacey striker or winger & make them look like fucking superstars.
It's one of my main bug bears with our team, & with this continual obsession with intricate passers of the ball as if pace doesn't matter, when it clearly fucking does.
Well, those Ox rumours are not going away...
I was really blinded by some of Ibe's performances early on (at Reserve-level as well) and I kinda even thought he'd end up as a better, more balanced player than Sterling.
Uh-oh.
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