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The most overrated player in the premiership

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SummerOnions

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Who is it?

I'm going for Gareth Barry, i just don't see what's that good about him that is worth paying him £110K a week.

Crazy.
 
People are onto it now. He's so slow and average. He's not shit, just not very good.

I can't believe Rafa tried to bomb Alonso out of the club for that pudding.

Wayne Rooney is up there for the fact that people say he's as good as Messi and Ronaldo. Same goes for Bale. Although they are good players, so that's a shit shout from me. Still, they're overrated.
 
Barry did have a very good couple of seasons for Villa, but he does seem to have declined since then, and him getting skinned by Ozil in the World Cup lingers in my memory. I'm not sure he should be on the international scene any more.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42852.msg1220995#msg1220995 date=1290188856]
Barry did have a very good couple of seasons for Villa, but he does seem to have declined since then, and him getting skinned by Ozil in the World Cup lingers in my memory. I'm not sure he should be on the international scene any more.

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True, but it's often forgotten than Terry just bombed up and way out of position for no reason, leaving Barry one on one (which wasn't a very good idea)
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=42852.msg1220991#msg1220991 date=1290188674]
I can't believe Rafa tried to bomb Alonso out of the club for that pudding.[/quote]

Is this actually true? Wasn't there a quote somewhere from Rafa saying that he wanted him as a utility player?

(LB, LW, CM)
 
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=42852.msg1220991#msg1220991 date=1290188674]
I can't believe Rafa tried to bomb Alonso out of the club for that pudding.[/quote]

Is this actually true? Wasn't there a quote somewhere from Rafa saying that he wanted him as a utility player?

(LB, LW, CM)
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He almost sold Alonso to Arsenal for about £15m. Then he tried to flog him to Galatasaray, all while pursuing Barry for £20m. It wasn't until Martin O'Neil ruled out a sale completely that Rafa gave up and persisted with Alonso.

This was one of Rafa's greatest mistakes in my opinion. If not the biggest.

Anyway, sorry for turning this into another Rafa thread.
 
Are you actually serious Roland?

Compared to every other player we have, carra should not be near this list.
 
john terry. A player made to look better by better defenders next to him. Like lescott
 
Terry and Carragher were once both very, very, very good CB's, but they're both on the decline now, and the media don't seem to be picking up on it.

Carra's had a pretty poor start to the season in truth.
 
[quote author=Fox link=topic=42852.msg1221034#msg1221034 date=1290191506]

SWP is the one I just don't see the big wow over
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Yep. I think more people are noticing it now though.
 
SWP's one of those players who can run an ageing/tiring/shit FB ragged and look very impressive if given a load of space. But a defender with any intelligence whatsoever will snuff him out with absolute ease.

Chelsea certainly bought into the hype when it was pretty evident that he wasn't up to much already. Duff and Robben were always so much better for them.
 
To be honest Alonso didn't perform well for two seasons before Rafa decided to cash in on him. Sure, he reminded us and especially Rafa what he was capable of in his last season here but it was too late.
I remember that there weren't exactly a lot of protest here when he was being pimped out to other clubs the season before he left. People were more exited about getting Barry.
 
SummerOnions: We know how good Carra has been for us but he has been nowhere near those high standards.

We have plenty of players not good enough for Liverpool. None are overrated. They just lack talent.

At the minute Carra and Terry are both in evident decline and are playing on reputation. Due to lack of options and experience including a poor run by the club where results and performances have been poor Roy has opted for experience instead.
 
The problem Alonso had is a set down a phenomenal debut season which immediately raised the expectations and pressure on him to impress almost instantly. During his time here I think he went from 'world-class' to 'very good', to 'pretty good', and then back up to world-class in his final year. I'm pretty confident when I say had he steadily improved we wouldn't be talking about 'two poor years'. I also do not buy into the idea that he was ever "poor" for us, at least not for any period of time worth mentioning.

But I do sympathise with Rafa for thinking about selling him, because our midfield didn't seem to be functioning as well as it should on paper. It wasn't functioning because our side had become heavily reliant on Alonso's brilliant passing to unlock defences, and so when he wasn't quite so brilliant we didn't have a plan B. We never were a side with a great deal of movement - bar Gerrard - and we didn't have the wide players good enough to cut in and play quick, incisive balls to link the midfield and attack, which is what we desperately needed when Alonso wasn't bang on the money. I liken it to American Football - if your QB is having a bad spell, you find other ways of getting the ball over the line. We should have tried something similar.

I don't forgive Rafa for the way he hawked Xabi around Europe, though. That leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, and Xabi did deserve better.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42852.msg1221058#msg1221058 date=1290195203]
Wayne Rooney.
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I think United are going to regret that deal they gave him.
 
[quote author=geoxf link=topic=42852.msg1221079#msg1221079 date=1290196387]
Sorry....but it's Glen Johnson - one amazingly expensive right back who can't defend!
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...in that case I give you Poulsen and Lucas. Two players who can´t play football.
I like Glenn.
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42852.msg1221058#msg1221058 date=1290195203]
Wayne Rooney.
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I think United are going to regret that deal they gave him.
[/quote]He's a good player and a grafter and on his day can win games single handed but he's nowhere near the Ronaldos and Messi's and the likes that he is talked about in the same breath as.
If he had left united and not Ronaldo theyd be on 19 already.
The press in this country are jokers re-Rooney and for his country he's been utterly pathetic for all bar about 4 games.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42852.msg1221083#msg1221083 date=1290196751]
Lucas
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Surely the overrated have to be rated at all first?
 
Obi Mikel. He came over with a big reputation and price tag but seems to play well within himself. Chelsea have struggled without Essien and Lampard so Mikel should really have been showing more for me.
 
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