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The Mo Contract Saga

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We have a small squad and a top 5 payroll in the world. We've gone from a payroll of 310m when we won nothing to a payroll of 325 and then 350m in seasons we won things and people think performance related pay accounts for half or more of our players salaries.


We pay our stars top level salaries, not 150k plus bonuses.

Yup, that much is fairly obvious from the accounts.
 
Do players only get bonuses for actually winning a trophy? Or would they get bonuses for things like goals scored, clean sheets, or actually just winning matches?

I would guess it varies. There would be a bonus for winning trophies but I believe players will also get a bonus each time they play. That certainly used to be the case. I would guess there would be win bonuses too.

Beyond that it probably comes down to what they negotiate. Some will get clean sheets bonuses, some will get a bonus each time they score, some will get bonuses when they reach a certain level of goals and assists.
 
He’s not getting that so if he won’t sign, cash in.

We’ve lost players just as good and gone on to be better off because of it.

Team comes first.

take Mo out of this team and it’s season over. Even with a decent replacement it’ll take time for that to gel and work. A top replacement will want pretty much what he wants anyway.
 
I always lol when people talk about our performance related pay. It's the new " the shirts sales will cover the transfer costs" bullshit.

We have a small squad and a top 5 payroll in the world. We've gone from a payroll of 310m when we won nothing to a payroll of 325 and then 350m in seasons we won things and people think performance related pay accounts for half or more of our players salaries.


We pay our stars top level salaries, not 150k plus bonuses.

Get out of the football forum, you fool!
 
take Mo out of this team and it’s season over. Even with a decent replacement it’ll take time for that to gel and work. A top replacement will want pretty much what he wants anyway.

Maybe maybe not, Jota hit the ground running didn't he?

& if we cashed in on Mo we'd probably look to strength in a few other areas as well.

Say we got 100m for him.

40m on Bissouma and 60m on Raphinha.
 
Maybe maybe not, Jota hit the ground running didn't he?

& if we cashed in on Mo we'd probably look to strength in a few other areas as well.

Say we got 100m for him.

40m on Bissouma and 60m on Raphinha.

And Bissouma and Raphinha would combine to about 20% of Salah's contribution in terms of goals and assists every season. There is a big difference between hitting the ground running and Salah's consistent contribution game in game out every season. He is incredible in taking care of his body, fitness record is amazing, doesnt create trouble on or off the pitch, brilliant representative for the club, and I would not be surprised if he continues to play at a high level till 35. One of the, if not the, most important signings of the modern Liverpool era and selling him would signal, we wont be competing for trophies for a year or two or potentially till the end of the Klopp era and beyond.

We now have a core which is capable of competing for the big prizes. We have a window of 2-3 years to win the PL and CL again, it is possible with this group. Salah is the crown jewel of this core as goals solve a lot of problems in football and Salah delivers those in loads consistently. If he continues for another 3 years in the same vein and he can, he will be operating in the pedestal just below King Kenny and Rush in terms of overall attacking contribution.

First, it was arguing against posters who said Suarez was more important than Salah which I can somewhat rationalize. Now it is selling him for freaking Bissouma and Raphinha.

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Maybe maybe not, Jota hit the ground running didn't he?

& if we cashed in on Mo we'd probably look to strength in a few other areas as well.

Say we got 100m for him.

40m on Bissouma and 60m on Raphinha.

Not sure we'd get that much to be honest.

If we do sell him it would likely be at the end of the season, by which time he will be 30.

I'm not sure there are many clubs that have 100 million to spend on one player, and if they do they probably wouldn't spend it on a 30 year old who only has one year left on his contract.

If we were wanting to go down this kind of route then the time to do it was a few years ago. I wouldn't necessarily have advocated that either, given how important Salah is to us, but it would have been more realistic.
 
Not sure we'd get that much to be honest.

If we do sell him it would likely be at the end of the season, by which time he will be 30.

I'm not sure there are many clubs that have 100 million to spend on one player, and if they do they probably wouldn't spend it on a 30 year old who only has one year left on his contract.

If we were wanting to go down this kind of route then the time to do it was a few years ago. I wouldn't necessarily have advocated that either, given how important Salah is to us, but it would have been more realistic.

I think with fans back in stadium a few more teams other than the usual 2 will have the income, the guy is still hitting remarkable numbers so I think his value
in todays market is 100m.

Only other thing I could suggest is a player + cash deal, if say a Juve wanted to include Chiesa or a Bayern wanted to include Coman......Cheisa or Coman + 20m.
 
I think with fans back in stadium a few more teams other than the usual 2 will have the income, the guy is still hitting remarkable numbers so I think his value
in todays market is 100m.

Only other thing I could suggest is a player + cash deal, if say a Juve wanted to include Chiesa or a Bayern wanted to include Coman......Cheisa or Coman + 20m.
Too expensive. There are plenty of players sub £50m who have the potential to be the next £100m player
 
I also don't see the value on selling for 100m next summer.

I would rather keep him let him go for free. If we sell him for 100m next summer and then still fail to get into the CL then that is a worse outcome.

The benefits of securing CL with Salah on board are worth more than than gaining 100m from the sale of Salah and having to desperately hope that you can spend that 100m on a Salah replacement who will get you into the CL.

What does 100m get you anyways these days? Before that would have been a Ronaldo or Messi, now 100m gets you a Lukaku, a Pepe, a Adame Traore, unfit Hazard or half of Mbappe.
 
I think with fans back in stadium a few more teams other than the usual 2 will have the income, the guy is still hitting remarkable numbers so I think his value
in todays market is 100m.

Only other thing I could suggest is a player + cash deal, if say a Juve wanted to include Chiesa or a Bayern wanted to include Coman......Cheisa or Coman + 20m.

Maybe. I still doubt it though. Depends how desperately they want him specifically.

Think about it, if you are saying that we can sell Salah for 100 million and then spend that on a younger player who can take his place and be a better team as a result, why wouldn’t the team who are potentially buying Salah just buy that player instead?
 
We could target other players in last year of their deals like Madrid did with Camavinga…He hasn’t got the opportunities yet but we could find another Patson Daka type signing, Jota came for 40m, Dortmund got Malen for 30m, Inter got Dumfries for 12m.

There are good quality players out there.
 
Maybe. I still doubt it though. Depends how desperately they want him specifically.

Think about it, if you are saying that we can sell Salah for 100 million and then spend that on a younger player who can take his place and be a better team as a result, why wouldn’t the team who are potentially buying Salah just buy that player instead?
Well because every club is run differently, clubs with the money like City PSG Madrid Chelsea Bayern Juve want the ready made stars, Ie Kane Messi Ronaldo Lukaku Sane etc etc.
 
Based on media reports, this is what some of Salah's peers in the Premier League are earning:

Ronaldo - 480k (plus bonuses, image rights etc.)
Lukaku - 450k
Grealish - 380k
De Bruyne - 375k
De Gea - 375k
Aubameyang - 350k
Sterling - 300k
Kane - 300k

The same reports will have you believe that Salah is on 200k a week, which I call bullshit. I'm certain that he's in the de Bruyne range already, and is probably now looking for something in the Lukaku range.

Echo have rubbished the Mirror article about Salah’s wage demands.
 
Can ride the Yellow Sub as much as he wants, throw in a free full english at Eileen's too every sunday.
Heard he's an obsevant Muslim, so he'd have the full english breaky ..........minus the sausage, the bacon, and the black & white pudding. So not quite a full english.
 
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Maybe maybe not, Jota hit the ground running didn't he?

& if we cashed in on Mo we'd probably look to strength in a few other areas as well.

Say we got 100m for him.

40m on Bissouma and 60m on Raphinha.
Yeh I get that. But, the only thing is with Mo, it’s literally guaranteed goals and he’s never injured…

There’s a chance we’d be ok without him, but he’s too important for me to take the risk with.
 
I would agree to increase the contract - i.e. how much we pay him and maybe get a year extension max. I honestly don't think he will be that effective in our team a year or more beyond whenever his contract is due to expire. If he wants to move on let him, we only got him for what - £37M ? - he has more than paid that back for us.
 
Salah seems to be able to look after his body better than others...he will good well into his 30s I reckon. There are other 30 year old key attacking players we have who need replacing first....I'd start the rebuilding process there.
 
And Bissouma and Raphinha would combine to about 20% of Salah's contribution in terms of goals and assists every season. There is a big difference between hitting the ground running and Salah's consistent contribution game in game out every season. He is incredible in taking care of his body, fitness record is amazing, doesnt create trouble on or off the pitch, brilliant representative for the club, and I would not be surprised if he continues to play at a high level till 35. One of the, if not the, most important signings of the modern Liverpool era and selling him would signal, we wont be competing for trophies for a year or two or potentially till the end of the Klopp era and beyond.

We now have a core which is capable of competing for the big prizes. We have a window of 2-3 years to win the PL and CL again, it is possible with this group. Salah is the crown jewel of this core as goals solve a lot of problems in football and Salah delivers those in loads consistently. If he continues for another 3 years in the same vein and he can, he will be operating in the pedestal just below King Kenny and Rush in terms of overall attacking contribution.

First, it was arguing against posters who said Suarez was more important than Salah which I can somewhat rationalize. Now it is selling him for freaking Bissouma and Raphinha.

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Spot on.

I just don't get it. There are a handful of posters on here always suggesting we sell our crown jewels, cash in on them whilst we can, whilst more often than not suggesting some unknown Ukrainian or Dutch player who is going to be the next best thing. However as you say, that would clearly signal out lack of intent on competing for the top prizes in club football. Insane football manager mentality.
 
We could target other players in last year of their deals like Madrid did with Camavinga…He hasn’t got the opportunities yet but we could find another Patson Daka type signing, Jota came for 40m, Dortmund got Malen for 30m, Inter got Dumfries for 12m.

There are good quality players out there.
Salah isn't a 'good quality' player. He's world class. And if you are going to compete for trophies you need to have a handful of world class players in the team.
 
I would agree to increase the contract - i.e. how much we pay him and maybe get a year extension max. I honestly don't think he will be that effective in our team a year or more beyond whenever his contract is due to expire. If he wants to move on let him, we only got him for what - £37M ? - he has more than paid that back for us.
You mean like Ronaldo (36), Milner (35), Lewandowski (33) and Messi (34) etc.? Mo has that potential for me.
 
Heard he's an obsevant Muslim, so he'd have the full english breaky ..........minus the sausage, the bacon, and the black & white pudding. So not quite a full english.
As excellent an element of a fried breakfast white pudding is, it is fairly exclusive to irish and does not feature in an English breakfast
 
You mean like Ronaldo (36), Milner (35), Lewandowski (33) and Messi (34) etc.? Mo has that potential for me.

Ok - lets look at this deeply:

1) Milner - think he will break down every other game should he even last 90 minutes in any one game.
2) Ronaldo - yes he lasts but only because he is a goal-hanger and for the best part does fuck all in games other than be the point man to score when an opportunity arises. Overall his involvement in the game is minimal, and does not involve that much running - Mo is not that sort of player.
3) Lewandowski - the ultimate goal-hanger striker, yes can do the business, but we don't use such a player in our team anyway, we don't have the requirement. Mo is both an active wing forward and by chance has turned into our main goal-scorer.
4) Messi - declining even last season, don't expect much.
 
As excellent an element of a fried breakfast white pudding is, it is fairly exclusive to irish and does not feature in an English breakfast
Indeed no self respecting full Irish breakfast should be without white pudding or include baked beans.
 
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