The Kop - 1964

[FoxForceFive]

Watching the close ups of the lads struggling to stay in their feet in the sway brought me back.

The incredulity & surprise of the reporter at the singing, as we were the only ones who did it, is remarkable in today's context.

 

[Modo]

yeah that looked safe...

 

[Red Astaire]

yeah that looked safe...

I think you are missing the point there modo....

 

[Modo]

I think you are missing the point there modo....

I probably am, still looks scary as hell.

 

[doctor_mac]

I love the fact that men in their late 50s (or older) are joining in in these contemporary songs, and clearly know the words as well as the younglings. It isn't just a youth culture, it is a Liverpool culture. The Kop was an extraordinary thing then.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

The only time you didn't feel particularly safe was when you were going out or if you ended up on a crush barrier. Going out you headed in the general direction you wanted to go and were the caught up in a tidal flow of people, often with your feet hardly touching the floor and then dumped like a bit if driftwood outside. Going down the main steps at the back of the Kop was a bit tricky too, you knew if one person fell over it would be a disaster.

Regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

The crowd used to pick up songs much quicker then, Portly started taking me to the game around 68/69. I presume it was due to being packed in tighter
Regards

 

[FoxForceFive]

I probably am, still looks scary as hell.

It was at first. Once you did actually fall over though (which was rarer than it looked cos you were all so tight together that there was rarely room) you were quickly picked up by everyone. If anyone was properly hurt they were quickly picked up & passed overhead by the crowd to the pitch level where they'd be attended to by St John's ambulance staff.

When you attended as kids you usually went in first cos you didn't mind queuing for hours, & you'd run to the front or in the middle behind the goal. The older fellas when they came in would then tell you to move & stand in front of the barriers, this meant you wouldn't be pushed into the barrier, when very young we were often sat on fellas shoulders or on the barrier with people holding your coats to stop you being pushed off.

I learned almost everything I know about our club on that Kop, I vividly remember booing Schmeichel cos he was Utd keeper with my mates & us being told off by the fellas round us & them explaining we clap the keeper, if he clapped back, we did not show any insult at all, it was mutual respect.

 

[juniormember]

@Judge Jules , think I spotted you on the vid. Is this you? :

 

[Red Astaire]

Ha ha! Go JJ!!!! 😉

 

[Judge Jules]

LOLsagoodun. 😀

 

[Spionkop69]

yeah that looked safe...

Sometime you just don't get it do you? Educate yourself about the club prior to the time you actually know.

 

[Modo]

Sometime you just don't get it do you? Educate yourself about the club prior to the time you actually know.

What's there to get? I'd never want to be in the middle of a sea of people.
That's just asking for trouble, even though FFF is saying how safe it was.
There is a reason why they changed those stands to all-seater's.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

i only saw the kop once...my first game was it's last ...damn you jeremy goss !!

 

[RedZeppelin III]

at what period did the singing of actual pop songs fade out ?

 

[Pesam]

i only saw the kop once...my first game was it's last ...damn you jeremy goss !!

Shite wasn't it. And we sang "You're supposed to....you're supposed to.....you're supposed to let us win..........you're supposed to let us win!"

 

[RedZeppelin III]

yeah ...it was a nice goal though . you can see it at 1:55 of this







also like this clip , especially the start with it filling up . @FoxForceFive you get in early for this one ?

 

[FoxForceFive]

Yep. Somewhere to the left of that Sega hoarding at the front. You can see a very young me & my mates in the BBC documentary the Kops last stand (which, incidentally used some footage from the home game prior to that one, for some reason, could tell cos one of our mates was in it & didn't make the Norwich game) in the age place, which had become our go to position by then, cos you could hold the bar & stay in place, got a boss view, could climb over to pass the ball back occasionally & could shake the odd strikers hand when the game finished & they applauded the Kop. Near the corner flag was good too but the view wasn't as good to the anny Road end cos of the camber (sp?) of the pitch being more acute at that angle.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

this one ?



amazingly i don't think i've watched that one before . I'll have to now .

i love some of those old chants . Has the "shankly " or the "we are , we are liverpool , liverpool, liverpool" ones been sung recently ?

 

[Judge Jules]

Norwich were a funny team. Every now and then they'd rouse themselves to a tremendous individual performance, then they'd slip back into fancy football with no end product. I'm pretty sure they once went to Bayern and turned them over in what's now the Europa League (Goss scored then too if memory serves).

 

[Spionkop69]

What's there to get? I'd never want to be in the middle of a sea of people.
That's just asking for trouble, even though FFF is saying how safe it was.
There is a reason why they changed those stands to all-seater's.

If you don't get it, then I'm not going to bother...

 

[FoxForceFive]

What's there to get? I'd never want to be in the middle of a sea of people.
That's just asking for trouble, even though FFF is saying how safe it was.
There is a reason why they changed those stands to all-seater's.

If you don't want to in the middle of a sea of people it's a good job you can't make it on the 12th should we win the league... I was surrounded by hundreds of thousands of people in front of St Georges Hall celebrating the cl win, there was less room than there was in the Kop.

 

[Modo]

If you don't want to in the middle of a sea of people it's a good job you can't make it on the 12th should we win the league... I was surrounded by hundreds of thousands of people in front of St Georges Hall celebrating the cl win, there was less room than there was in the Kop.

Yes but there's a difference between standing on the ground celebrating a cup and standing on a tilting stand waiting for a goal to be scored in order to be swept around uncontrollably. I've been to concerts, I've been on the front row and felt the pressure from people pushing and shoving, it's not a nice feeling.

 

[Modo]

If you don't get it, then I'm not going to bother...

good.

 

[Spionkop69]

Yes but there's a difference between standing on the ground celebrating a cup and standing on a tilting stand waiting for a goal to be scored in order to be swept around uncontrollably. I've been to concerts, I've been on the front row and felt the pressure from people pushing and shoving, it's not a nice feeling.

Fuck it. You still don't get it do you? The Kop in its pomp was the definition of this club. It was the heartbeat of this club. 27000 people all in tune with each other.

You didn't have to want to be in there, you just had to understand what it meant.

 

[Modo]

Fuck it. You still don't get it do you? The Kop in its pomp was the definition of this club. It was the heartbeat of this club. 27000 people all in tune with each other.

You didn't have to want to be in there, you just had to understand what it meant.

Are you serious? When did I mention the Kop?
Jesus Christ, you're touchy. I was talking about a stand that's obviously overcrowded.
Alright, I'm against the Kop and all that it stands for. I make no apologies.

 

[Spionkop69]

Are you serious? When did I mention the Kop?
Jesus Christ, you're touchy. I was talking about a stand that's obviously overcrowded.
Alright, I'm against the Kop and all that it stands for. I make no apologies.

Are you for real? The scene you commented on was a film of the Kop. So how is that not commenting on the Kop. Stop digging mate and climb out of the hole. I'll even help you out.

As for touchy, I'm more relaxed than I've ever been!

 

[RedZeppelin III]

Yes but there's a difference between standing on the ground celebrating a cup and standing on a tilting stand waiting for a goal to be scored in order to be swept around uncontrollably. I've been to concerts, I've been on the front row and felt the pressure from people pushing and shoving, it's not a nice feeling.

in fairness the justin bieber crowd are pretty wild .