I like how it was "VVD made your team" and now it's "you should be able to deal without him, oh, and him, and him too, and that other guy."
The Klopp Problem
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Exactly... He was the final, most important piece in the puzzle, taking us from fun but fatally flawed to genuine contenders. He IS the difference. Now, we're supposed to pretend that losing the best defender on planet earth shouldn't affect us like this, when everybody knows that he's the key to EVERYTHING that we do.
Fuck sake... city lost ONE good CB last season, and they imploded. We've lost THREE and, as a result, our two best midfielders as well. Sod off...
This was the starting XI against Leicester, home game which we had won 3-0
Alisson; Milner, Matip, Fabinho, Robertson; Jones, Wijnaldum, Keita; Jota, Firmino, Mane.
And the line up against Crystal Palace, which we won 7-0
Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Fabinho, Robertson, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita, Minamino, Mane, Firmino.
Klopp was doing pretty well even without VaDjik. Having Matip or Fabinho allowed Klopp to play Minamino because he did not have to worry about height or whatever.
But once we had injuries to Fabinho/Matip, it was game over. It was just stupid on the club's part to wait till the end of the window. Just imagine Kabak/Davies from start of Jan in Liverpool squad with more time to learn and settle.
Klopp will easily come out of this.
Alisson; Milner, Matip, Fabinho, Robertson; Jones, Wijnaldum, Keita; Jota, Firmino, Mane.
And the line up against Crystal Palace, which we won 7-0
Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Fabinho, Robertson, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita, Minamino, Mane, Firmino.
Klopp was doing pretty well even without VaDjik. Having Matip or Fabinho allowed Klopp to play Minamino because he did not have to worry about height or whatever.
But once we had injuries to Fabinho/Matip, it was game over. It was just stupid on the club's part to wait till the end of the window. Just imagine Kabak/Davies from start of Jan in Liverpool squad with more time to learn and settle.
Klopp will easily come out of this.
Someone should start a 'The Fans Problem' thread.
It's long overdue.
It's long overdue.
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I'm hate playing the excuse game - and lord knows that we all legitimately can - but another factor in the deep cup runs for city, is that those cunts have been coasting at home against the likes of Accrington Stanley, when we get Chelsea away.
*puts on tin foil hat*
*puts on tin foil hat*
City didn't implode last season, they finished comfortably in 2nd and won a cup. If that's an implosion the what we are looking at now.?
When we were trying, they were 23 points behind us. And they won the League Cup. By their standards and for the money they've spent, that's an implosion.
They have more resources than us,but realistically they had a poor 2 months and it cost them a title challenge (I don't think they could have beaten us based on our form last season). But let's not pretend City last season is equivalent to us this year. They stumbled, we've imploded.
The Klopp problem ...
Well, one is that he won't be with us for 20+ years to ensure we're far ahead of those clowns in Manchester.
Well, one is that he won't be with us for 20+ years to ensure we're far ahead of those clowns in Manchester.
Mate, this thread was started by the same bellend who wanted Rogers out the minute we lost the title, then rammed "a proper manager" phrases down everyone's throats about Klopp in the run up to him joining (like no one knew who Bundesliga winning Jurgen was), and then started to question whether Klopp should leave when we didn't win the league after 5 minutes.
Typical brainless Sky generation fandom.
Look who they've drawn the last 5 years in both cups. Fodder clubs.
No doubt, but they also did the business in the latter stages against tougher teams
The biggest problem for Klopp is he’s not appreciated by all fans.
He’s more than we deserve.
He’s more than we deserve.
68% chance 🙄 (Surprised there hasn't been a "The FSG Problem" thread.)
Jurgen Klopp 'could QUIT Liverpool next summer to become Germany's next manager', with report suggesting boss is TWICE as likely to leave compared to the odds of him seeing out his Anfield contract
[article]Jurgen Klopp could walk away from Liverpool in the summer of 2022 to manage his native Germany, according to a report on the front page of BILD.
The 53-year-old confirmed last week that he has no plans to leave the club anytime soon despite rumours of rifts between players and claims that the German was considering his future.
But that has not stopped talk in the German press about when he may call it a day at Anfield - where he has a contract until 2024 - following their rut of four straight home defeats.
BILD claim that there is a 68 per cent chance that Klopp could look to take over from current Germany manager Joachim Low upon the completion of the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.
The outlet claims Klopp is clear in his plans that he will definitely return to Germany, and that the timing of the whole situation would allow him to leave Liverpool next summer, take six months off before taking over in early 2023.
There would also be the added incentive for Klopp of Germany hosting the European Championships the following year, the second time it would be held there since the country's reunification and the third time on German territory.
That scenario is considered by the report as twice as likely in comparison to him seeing out the remaining three-and-a-half-years at Anfield, which is given just a 30 per cent probability.
The same outlet adds Klopp and his wife Ulla are very comfortable in Liverpool, and should the club's sporting plans match his ambitions, they claim he could stay with them for nine years in total.
That would represent his longest stint at a single club in his managerial career, having spent seven years each at Borussia Dortmund and Mainz in the Bundesliga.
The report also mentions a possible exit this summer for Klopp due to the 'headache' caused by coronavirus and their current position.
But the fans and owners Fenway Sports Group's support of him sees the chance of him being sacked or quitting himself standing at just one per cent each.
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Jurgen Klopp 'could QUIT Liverpool next summer to become Germany's next manager', with report suggesting boss is TWICE as likely to leave compared to the odds of him seeing out his Anfield contract
[article]Jurgen Klopp could walk away from Liverpool in the summer of 2022 to manage his native Germany, according to a report on the front page of BILD.
The 53-year-old confirmed last week that he has no plans to leave the club anytime soon despite rumours of rifts between players and claims that the German was considering his future.
But that has not stopped talk in the German press about when he may call it a day at Anfield - where he has a contract until 2024 - following their rut of four straight home defeats.
BILD claim that there is a 68 per cent chance that Klopp could look to take over from current Germany manager Joachim Low upon the completion of the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.
The outlet claims Klopp is clear in his plans that he will definitely return to Germany, and that the timing of the whole situation would allow him to leave Liverpool next summer, take six months off before taking over in early 2023.
There would also be the added incentive for Klopp of Germany hosting the European Championships the following year, the second time it would be held there since the country's reunification and the third time on German territory.
That scenario is considered by the report as twice as likely in comparison to him seeing out the remaining three-and-a-half-years at Anfield, which is given just a 30 per cent probability.
The same outlet adds Klopp and his wife Ulla are very comfortable in Liverpool, and should the club's sporting plans match his ambitions, they claim he could stay with them for nine years in total.
That would represent his longest stint at a single club in his managerial career, having spent seven years each at Borussia Dortmund and Mainz in the Bundesliga.
The report also mentions a possible exit this summer for Klopp due to the 'headache' caused by coronavirus and their current position.
But the fans and owners Fenway Sports Group's support of him sees the chance of him being sacked or quitting himself standing at just one per cent each.
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I do not know (or know of) a single real fan who doesn't worship Jurgen for what what he's brought us... We all love him, forever.
It's only those fucking anonymous internet warrior super-fans who didn't know where Liverpool was in 2018 who are turning on him.
It's only those fucking anonymous internet warrior super-fans who didn't know where Liverpool was in 2018 who are turning on him.
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There’s a few on here that think he’s done his dash. Madness.
You're absolutely right.
They were without Laporte for the season. And KDB for several matches.
We're without Virgil and Joe and Hendo (in his true position) and Fabinho (in his true position) for the entire season.
And Matip for most of the season. And Jota and Milner and Keita and Thiago for several months. And Alisson and Fabinho (at all) and Trent and Sadio for several matches too.
Like I said, you're right... Our 2020/21 is NOTHING like their 2019/20.
This season it has been like a curse on us. I'll take it for the previous season's glories. City would have handled the injury crisis better but City don't play by the same financial rules that we do.
I would suggest that the injury crisis we have had this season is unprecedented for any team. It has also struck at our key strategy of not panic-buying but waiting for the right transfer. It has had knock-on effects in the squad, and has been compounded by a very raw deal from referees + VAR.
And Klopp has been limited in working around it as the heavy schedule has allowed little time to work in different formations/approaches - and anyway the injuries keep coming. As a Liverpool fan it is time to be patient and supportive. There are so many people who seem incapable of that.
Again - I'll take it, and be thankful these injuries did not hit around December/January last season.
I would suggest that the injury crisis we have had this season is unprecedented for any team. It has also struck at our key strategy of not panic-buying but waiting for the right transfer. It has had knock-on effects in the squad, and has been compounded by a very raw deal from referees + VAR.
And Klopp has been limited in working around it as the heavy schedule has allowed little time to work in different formations/approaches - and anyway the injuries keep coming. As a Liverpool fan it is time to be patient and supportive. There are so many people who seem incapable of that.
Again - I'll take it, and be thankful these injuries did not hit around December/January last season.
I don't know any fans who think this, the only place you see garbage like that is on Social Media, which is jam packed full of contrary, mental bellends.
"68%"
Ryan's moonlighting for the dailymail now ?
Ryan's moonlighting for the dailymail now ?
100% if we don't have these "busses all coming at once" injuries then we are top of the league. I love Klopp and even if we got relegated would still support him and the club, he really gets this club and the city.
However at the same time just because I worship the man doesn't mean he is a deity that you cant constructively criticize.
The past few games have been rinse and repeat. ITs clear he doesn't have the personal to play the system that he is employing. So you could argue that part of being a good manager is knowing when to change tactics to suit the personal that you have, and for that as much as I love Klopp he loses some marks for his current persistence of his strategy.
I honestly believe we need to change either the player instructions and tactics so that at least it plays to the strengths of the players that we have.
Thiago has been taking a lot of flack but I don't think its 100% his fault, I don't think the setup suits him where at times he is the main defensive midfielder.
The persistence in playing Henderson at the back over Nat Phipplips? We still lost games with Hendo at the back. Trying a 4-4-2 more often?
Again there are lots that Klopp has done right (as we were top at Christmas with the same damaged team!) but still, I think there's work to be done by everyone including Klopp. YNWA
PS: (Felt dirty to constructively criticise Klopp but had to be done, I expect to be banned by 6CM for my disent lol)
However at the same time just because I worship the man doesn't mean he is a deity that you cant constructively criticize.
The past few games have been rinse and repeat. ITs clear he doesn't have the personal to play the system that he is employing. So you could argue that part of being a good manager is knowing when to change tactics to suit the personal that you have, and for that as much as I love Klopp he loses some marks for his current persistence of his strategy.
I honestly believe we need to change either the player instructions and tactics so that at least it plays to the strengths of the players that we have.
Thiago has been taking a lot of flack but I don't think its 100% his fault, I don't think the setup suits him where at times he is the main defensive midfielder.
The persistence in playing Henderson at the back over Nat Phipplips? We still lost games with Hendo at the back. Trying a 4-4-2 more often?
Again there are lots that Klopp has done right (as we were top at Christmas with the same damaged team!) but still, I think there's work to be done by everyone including Klopp. YNWA
PS: (Felt dirty to constructively criticise Klopp but had to be done, I expect to be banned by 6CM for my disent lol)
Here's another problem...
Five games in sixteen days...
28th Feb Sheffield United
4th march Chelsea
7th March Fulham
10th March (CL) RB Leipzig
15th March Wolves
who's bright idea was it to arange the fixture thus...? Al that congestion then the next match (Aresnal) some 19 days later..?? WTF
One or two more injuries, and no real time for players to recover is a season wrecker of sure....
Five games in sixteen days...
28th Feb Sheffield United
4th march Chelsea
7th March Fulham
10th March (CL) RB Leipzig
15th March Wolves
who's bright idea was it to arange the fixture thus...? Al that congestion then the next match (Aresnal) some 19 days later..?? WTF
One or two more injuries, and no real time for players to recover is a season wrecker of sure....
German press Deutsche Welle: Is Jürgen Klopp's Liverpool repeating his last Borussia Dortmund season?
[article]"In the moment it’s tough, it's tough," admitted Jürgen Klopp after Liverpool's defeat to Leicester on February 13. A week later, after a home loss to local rivals Everton that marked Liverpool's worst home run since 1923, the German coach admitted he didn't "see any relation to the last three years" that could explain such a dramatic and sudden loss of form.
But what about further back than that? Between 2010 and 2013, Borussia Dortmund won the Bundesliga twice, the German Cup once and reached the Champions League final, a similar run of success to the one Liverpool has enjoyed over the past two seasons.
These successes both came after the former Mainz boss had put in several years of groundwork, coaching players and ensuring they invested fully in his hard-pressing, full-throttle style. There has been some suggestion that the demands Klopp places on his players may be difficult to sustain, particularly when the tide turns. But the man who wrote his biography at Dortmund disagrees.
"Of course, Klopp's style of football demands a lot from the players, but he was very successful with it for several years at both Dortmund and Liverpool," Elmar Neveling, author of Jürgen Klopp: Echte Liebe (True Love), told DW. "Seven years at Dortmund, now five and a half years at Liverpool — what other coach can boast such long tenures today? As long as Klopp can make personnel changes, the intensity can be sustained over a longer period of time."
Missing men
While being able to rotate players is useful for any coach, a number of injuries to key men is never easy to cope with. Liverpool has been undone by long-term injuries to central defenders Virgil van Dijk and Joe Gomez, as well as a string of more minor complaints. Neveling also points to injuries and a general drop-off in fitness as another reason for the malaise that saw Dortmund slide to second-from-bottom of the Bundesliga at the winter break in 2014-15.
Neven Subotic, a key defensive component in that Dortmund side, admitted that some complacency had also crept in.
"When you get the feeling as a player that you've already achieved something, that you have a bit of experience, you suddenly don't want to say 'yes' to everything anymore," he told The Athletic on the issue of declining intensity.
Dortmund also experienced a different kind of loss that year with the departure of Robert Lewandowski to Bayern Munich on a free ahead of the new season, a hammer blow that came just a year after Mario Götze trod a similar path.
Similarities aside, there are also some critical factors over which Klopp has no control. Like every side in world football, Liverpool has had to contend with the coronavirus pandemic. And while Mo Salah, Sadio Mane and Trent Alexander-Arnold have all been laid low by the virus, it is perhaps off the pitch where the impact is most keenly felt.
Liverpool lacking support of 'holy trinity'
"Without doubt the team have missed the fans, especially at home," Joe Blott, a regular at Anfield since 1972 and chair of the Liverpool Supporters Union, Spirit of Shankly, told DW. "The team's energy levels have understandably dropped given last season's exceptional performances but the crowd aren't there just when they need us most.
"So often the fans are the 12th man and it is devastating we are not there to show support and lift the team. As Bill Shankly said, there is a holy trinity between the team, the manager and the fans at Liverpool and unfortunately a part of that trinity is not available."
Klopp's style leans heavily on emotion and affection, one of the reasons he's so highly regarded in Dortmund and Liverpool — not just as a coach, but as a man.
"He totally gets the Scouse mentality and has immersed himself into that," added Blott. "He is totally believable in his actions and has truth in his wisdom."
Though he still has the backing of the fans, the Reds' loss in the Merseyside derby hit hard. While Klopp has been reluctant to criticize his players too heavily, the demands of a congested season do appear to be taking their toll on a side that has one of the oldest average ages for a starting XI in Premier League history, at 28.9.
Turning it around
But those who knew Klopp at Dortmund believe his insistence that he can turn things around is rooted in reality and experience.
"Klopp will stay true to his style and try to strengthen his team through many one-on-one meetings," said Neveling. "He loves challenges and will see this situation as just such a challenge and fight to still lead Liverpool into the Champions League. He will be even more focused, but also more irritable in interviews."
Subotic knows Klopp's determined and prickly side only too well.
"If it was necessary, Klopp upped the volume. He shook us up a bit, to wake us up," he said "Not by saying: 'You have to play something different, boys, it'll be tough.' No, he went up to a player and slapped him across the face. You think: 'Oh, he might slap him back.'"
Unusual training methods aside, there is some sense that Liverpool's opponents have caught on to Klopp's tactical approach. The champions rely heavily on Salah, Mane and, to a lesser degree, Roberto Firmino for goals and their fullbacks for creativity but all have suffered dips in form over the season.
European dream lives on
The same was true for some of Dortmund's bigger names back in 2014-15, while at the same time Neveling suggests that "every opponent is highly motivated to beat the favorite." Furthermore, the big signings for each club have also failed to improve a winning team. At Dortmund, Ciro Immobile endured a torrid time as Lewandowski's replacement while Thiago Alcantara, bought in from Bayern Munich to pick the locks of stubborn defenses and add a creative spark to a workmanlike Liverpool midfield, has picked up injuries and not quite adapted to his new surroundings.
While Klopp has openly accepted retaining the Premier League is already impossible, Liverpool have one foot in the Champions League quarterfinals after a 2-0 first leg away win over RB Leipzig. And, just as Klopp pulled Dortmund out of the doldrums in to a seventh-place finish and the German Cup final back in 2014-15, there is still time for Liverpool to salvage something from their season.
There is little talk of the German's tenure on Merseyside ending soon, and the parting of ways in Dortmund is one that the German club have never quite moved on from. BVB's hierarchy are often misty-eyed when discussing the Klopp years.
While Neveling doesn't think Klopp's Liverpool years will be ending imminently, he does suggest his subject may want a change of scene at the end of his contract.
"By 2024 at the latest, Klopp will take over as Germany's national team coach," he said.
Before that though, it seems he still has some unfinished business in England.[/article]
[article]"In the moment it’s tough, it's tough," admitted Jürgen Klopp after Liverpool's defeat to Leicester on February 13. A week later, after a home loss to local rivals Everton that marked Liverpool's worst home run since 1923, the German coach admitted he didn't "see any relation to the last three years" that could explain such a dramatic and sudden loss of form.
But what about further back than that? Between 2010 and 2013, Borussia Dortmund won the Bundesliga twice, the German Cup once and reached the Champions League final, a similar run of success to the one Liverpool has enjoyed over the past two seasons.
These successes both came after the former Mainz boss had put in several years of groundwork, coaching players and ensuring they invested fully in his hard-pressing, full-throttle style. There has been some suggestion that the demands Klopp places on his players may be difficult to sustain, particularly when the tide turns. But the man who wrote his biography at Dortmund disagrees.
"Of course, Klopp's style of football demands a lot from the players, but he was very successful with it for several years at both Dortmund and Liverpool," Elmar Neveling, author of Jürgen Klopp: Echte Liebe (True Love), told DW. "Seven years at Dortmund, now five and a half years at Liverpool — what other coach can boast such long tenures today? As long as Klopp can make personnel changes, the intensity can be sustained over a longer period of time."
Missing men
While being able to rotate players is useful for any coach, a number of injuries to key men is never easy to cope with. Liverpool has been undone by long-term injuries to central defenders Virgil van Dijk and Joe Gomez, as well as a string of more minor complaints. Neveling also points to injuries and a general drop-off in fitness as another reason for the malaise that saw Dortmund slide to second-from-bottom of the Bundesliga at the winter break in 2014-15.
Neven Subotic, a key defensive component in that Dortmund side, admitted that some complacency had also crept in.
"When you get the feeling as a player that you've already achieved something, that you have a bit of experience, you suddenly don't want to say 'yes' to everything anymore," he told The Athletic on the issue of declining intensity.
Dortmund also experienced a different kind of loss that year with the departure of Robert Lewandowski to Bayern Munich on a free ahead of the new season, a hammer blow that came just a year after Mario Götze trod a similar path.
Similarities aside, there are also some critical factors over which Klopp has no control. Like every side in world football, Liverpool has had to contend with the coronavirus pandemic. And while Mo Salah, Sadio Mane and Trent Alexander-Arnold have all been laid low by the virus, it is perhaps off the pitch where the impact is most keenly felt.
Liverpool lacking support of 'holy trinity'
"Without doubt the team have missed the fans, especially at home," Joe Blott, a regular at Anfield since 1972 and chair of the Liverpool Supporters Union, Spirit of Shankly, told DW. "The team's energy levels have understandably dropped given last season's exceptional performances but the crowd aren't there just when they need us most.
"So often the fans are the 12th man and it is devastating we are not there to show support and lift the team. As Bill Shankly said, there is a holy trinity between the team, the manager and the fans at Liverpool and unfortunately a part of that trinity is not available."
Klopp's style leans heavily on emotion and affection, one of the reasons he's so highly regarded in Dortmund and Liverpool — not just as a coach, but as a man.
"He totally gets the Scouse mentality and has immersed himself into that," added Blott. "He is totally believable in his actions and has truth in his wisdom."
Though he still has the backing of the fans, the Reds' loss in the Merseyside derby hit hard. While Klopp has been reluctant to criticize his players too heavily, the demands of a congested season do appear to be taking their toll on a side that has one of the oldest average ages for a starting XI in Premier League history, at 28.9.
Turning it around
But those who knew Klopp at Dortmund believe his insistence that he can turn things around is rooted in reality and experience.
"Klopp will stay true to his style and try to strengthen his team through many one-on-one meetings," said Neveling. "He loves challenges and will see this situation as just such a challenge and fight to still lead Liverpool into the Champions League. He will be even more focused, but also more irritable in interviews."
Subotic knows Klopp's determined and prickly side only too well.
"If it was necessary, Klopp upped the volume. He shook us up a bit, to wake us up," he said "Not by saying: 'You have to play something different, boys, it'll be tough.' No, he went up to a player and slapped him across the face. You think: 'Oh, he might slap him back.'"
Unusual training methods aside, there is some sense that Liverpool's opponents have caught on to Klopp's tactical approach. The champions rely heavily on Salah, Mane and, to a lesser degree, Roberto Firmino for goals and their fullbacks for creativity but all have suffered dips in form over the season.
European dream lives on
The same was true for some of Dortmund's bigger names back in 2014-15, while at the same time Neveling suggests that "every opponent is highly motivated to beat the favorite." Furthermore, the big signings for each club have also failed to improve a winning team. At Dortmund, Ciro Immobile endured a torrid time as Lewandowski's replacement while Thiago Alcantara, bought in from Bayern Munich to pick the locks of stubborn defenses and add a creative spark to a workmanlike Liverpool midfield, has picked up injuries and not quite adapted to his new surroundings.
While Klopp has openly accepted retaining the Premier League is already impossible, Liverpool have one foot in the Champions League quarterfinals after a 2-0 first leg away win over RB Leipzig. And, just as Klopp pulled Dortmund out of the doldrums in to a seventh-place finish and the German Cup final back in 2014-15, there is still time for Liverpool to salvage something from their season.
There is little talk of the German's tenure on Merseyside ending soon, and the parting of ways in Dortmund is one that the German club have never quite moved on from. BVB's hierarchy are often misty-eyed when discussing the Klopp years.
While Neveling doesn't think Klopp's Liverpool years will be ending imminently, he does suggest his subject may want a change of scene at the end of his contract.
"By 2024 at the latest, Klopp will take over as Germany's national team coach," he said.
Before that though, it seems he still has some unfinished business in England.[/article]
[article]Jurgen Klopp retains the unequivocal backing of Fenway Sports Group and Liverpool’s owners are adamant he will lead the club out of this dreadful dip.
The future of Liverpool’s manager has become a topic of debate in recent weeks, as his team have slithered out of the title race. Their form has been so bad, with a club record six consecutive league defeats at Anfield, there is a huge question on whether they will qualify for the Champions League.
FSG have historically seen Champions League qualification as the minimum requirement for a manager during the 10 years they have been in control; a failure to finish in the top four cost Kenny Dalglish his job in 2012 while Brendan Rodgers never recovered from missing out in 2015.
The Americans, however, have complete faith in Klopp, who also enjoys the backing of the majority of supporters. He has always been the man FSG wanted to oversee their project and nothing they have seen in recent months has led their faith to waiver.
His relationship with Mike Gordon, FSG’s President who oversees the day-to-day running of Liverpool, is strong.
Klopp knows the odds are against his team being in the Champions League next season – the best route, at this stage, would appear to be lifting that trophy in May – but he insisted last Friday that Liverpool would be strong enough to withstand a year outside and FSG see the situation as he does.
The German is convinced Liverpool will be a different proposition next season, once he has key players such as Virgil van Dijk, Joe Gomez and Jordan Henderson back, and FSG agree that a remarkable sequence with injuries has been a key factor in this campaign unravelling.
They are also aware, though, that Klopp wants to strengthen in the summer and they will back his judgement in the transfer market. Should Liverpool finish outside the top four, it will not impact on what money the recruitment team have to spend on new players.
Klopp’s immediate focus, however, is on tomorrow night’s last 16 clash against RB Leipzig. Liverpool hold a 2-0 lead but it will take a significant effort for them to reach the quarter-finals, as the German side have hit form since the first meeting between the clubs last month.[/article]
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I can't believe his future is even in question. He's made mistakes but doesn't every manager? So in three seasons we've had one bad one, one Champions League winning one and one League winning one. Only a fucking idiot would look at that and say there's any justification for looking elsewhere.
And the narrative from the article above doesn't half piss me off.
'...and nothing they have seen in recent months has led their faith to waiver'
Fuck off FSG.
Too right @mark1975 . Never has a manager of LFC in my living memory so been in tune with the supporters - the team when fully fit is a glorious one which has characteristics of everything you need to win PL's and CL's. But to give a proper answer to this thread - what is the Klopp Problem ? - I'll tell you all what the issue is - he is seeing a team dominate games but unable score a fucking goal. So what do you do ? - I don't know because right now I feel like I know the pain he is feeling and I hope many LFC supporters do as well.
Every time this season we have lost a game (except the Aston Villa one) - I have just felt anguish more than anything else, I see a team trying and having the ball nearly 65%+ of the time, and doing everything to try and create chances - which are there in games if you look closely but our front men for whatever reason are not reacting quickly enough. Take yesterday's game and you see Mane watching the ball as the goalkeeper saves Jota's shot, - now in previous seasons you can imagine Mane jumping or fighting his way through a crowd to get to that ball but yesterday he just watched it fall to the defender. It's in these fine moments where we are just 'not there' - and as for the defence - those chances created by the opposition are things that occurred when both Gomez/Matip and VVD played - nothing new other than what we want to believe in our minds. We won many games last season by slim margins - nothing too dissimilar to last season - so what is Klopp supposed to do ?
Also can I just ask some of people on here if there is any history of Neco Williams shagging everyone's mum and sister ? - I just don't understand the amount of abuse this kid gets just coz someone goes past him on his side. I thought he played OK yesterday - and has been when called upon in past games. If you have Shaq playing in our team you will be left isolated in a game - of that you can be 100% certain. I don't think TAA created that much when he came on for Neco - at least Neco when he was on realized that he needed to try and keep his crosses low.
I don't think we have a Klopp problem we have a reactionary problem suffered by most of our front players - they are either mentally not there or just fucked in the head. They need to sort it out, I still have hope that we can turn it around somehow and win all our remaining games - unlikely but I really do. It all looks fucked up - but in reality it really isn't - we have all seen some seriously bad LFC games where we deserved to lose big time by playing badly for most of the two halves, but can you honestly say that about this team even when we have lost ? Every loss to me feels like that Gazza moment in Euro 96 when his leg just could not connect with that ball in the semi-final, - fine fucking margins - that's all guys.
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