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two points....

1) 100% He should not be replaced as the number 1 right winger in our team, do not bother buying an expensive one Kenny, use it all to get Young on the left he was superb again this weekend

2) He should replace Stevie as penalty taker full time


Love the Diggler
 
I have repeatedly gone on about how ace Dirk is, but when you're playing a team with pace away from home we could do with a more traditional right winger. Of course, had we any left sided players at all we might be able to afford to let the workhorse roam.
 
That would be silly.
If we have the opportunity to bring a great player in for the right, we should take it.
Nothing wrong with competition.
If it's a question of either/or, then of course we should be looking at filling the left hand aide where we have nobody. But that's obvious.

As far as penalties, he's great. But so is Gerrard.
 
IMO Kuyt is better than Gerrard at taking penalties.
Hasn't missed a penalty since joining us.

7/7 penalties 8/8 if you count the one against Chelsea in the shoot-out.

Gerrard has apparently missed 7 penalties.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45004.msg1317487#msg1317487 date=1303122627]
IMO Kuyt is better than Gerrard at taking penalties.
Hasn't missed a penalty since joining us.
[/quote]

How many have the both of them taken in the last 5 years though?
Every player is capable of missing a penalty or two.
Gerrard's only missed a couple, max, in over 5 years, having taken tons of them.
Or have I forgotten some misses?
 
Ah, you've updated your post.
I would imagine Gerrard's misses are mostly from earlier on in his career. I remember not feeling confident at all when he was younger.
 
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=45004.msg1317493#msg1317493 date=1303123019]
Ah, you've updated your post.
I would imagine Gerrard's misses are mostly from earlier on in his career. I remember not feeling confident at all when he was younger.
[/quote]

Conversion rates:
http://www.liverweb.org.uk/penaltyrates.asp

Steven Gerrard
30 taken
23 scored
7 missed
0.77 ratio

Dirk Kuyt
7
7
0
1.00
 
Do you really need two tricky, dribbly pacy wingers in modern footy?

Say for example our RB is pacy and capable like Magic then is it so important from that side of the pitch. Dirk can improve his crossing of course but if we have an excellent LW then having Dirk as an almost 3rd striker goals tally wise out on the right is a massive advantage.

Not many top teams have two Digger Barnes/Macca type wingers out wide.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45004.msg1317498#msg1317498 date=1303123311]
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=45004.msg1317493#msg1317493 date=1303123019]
Ah, you've updated your post.
I would imagine Gerrard's misses are mostly from earlier on in his career. I remember not feeling confident at all when he was younger.
[/quote]

Conversion rates:
http://www.liverweb.org.uk/penaltyrates.asp

Steven Gerrard
30 taken
23 scored
7 missed
0.77 ratio

Dirk Kuyt
7
7
0
1.00
[/quote]


Owen and rushie were pants at Pens
 
Gerrard has been clinical with his pens for years, hasn't he?

But yeah, Kuyt is every bit as good. I wasn't celebrating the penalty decision on Sunday, I was celebrating as if it was a goal already, and that's to Dirk's credit.
 
[quote author=Fox link=topic=45004.msg1317508#msg1317508 date=1303124015]
Do you really need two tricky, dribbly pacy wingers in modern footy?

Say for example our RB is pacy and capable like Magic then is it so important from that side of the pitch. Dirk can improve his crossing of course but if we have an excellent LW then having Dirk as an almost 3rd striker goals tally wise out on the right is a massive advantage.

Not many top teams have two Digger Barnes/Macca type wingers out wide.


[/quote]

Barca: Pedro/Iniests and Messi
Madrid: Di MAria and Ronaldo
Arsenal: Walcott and Nasri
Man U: Valencia/Giggs and Nani
Bayern Munich: Robben and Ribery
Spurs: Lennon and Bale
Man C: Adam Johnson and Milner

Chelsea during Mourinho's stint : Robben and Duff
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45004.msg1317498#msg1317498 date=1303123311]
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=45004.msg1317493#msg1317493 date=1303123019]
Ah, you've updated your post.
I would imagine Gerrard's misses are mostly from earlier on in his career. I remember not feeling confident at all when he was younger.
[/quote]

Conversion rates:
http://www.liverweb.org.uk/penaltyrates.asp

Steven Gerrard
30 taken
23 scored
7 missed
0.77 ratio

Dirk Kuyt
7
7
0
1.00
[/quote]

Most of his misses, if I'm not mistaken, were earlier on when he assumed the role. He's not missed many (maybe 2) in the last 3-4 years.
 
I like Kuyt, but he's not a RW in a 442, however well he played yesterday. It's amazing how everyone just forgets his countless crap games when he goes on a decent run of form.

We desperately need pace on both wings, whether as part of the starting XI or on the bench. We could have beaten Arsenal yesterday if our counterattacks hadn't mostly stuttered and died out due to our lack of pace.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45004.msg1317522#msg1317522 date=1303125289]
[quote author=Fox link=topic=45004.msg1317508#msg1317508 date=1303124015]
Do you really need two tricky, dribbly pacy wingers in modern footy?

Say for example our RB is pacy and capable like Magic then is it so important from that side of the pitch. Dirk can improve his crossing of course but if we have an excellent LW then having Dirk as an almost 3rd striker goals tally wise out on the right is a massive advantage.

Not many top teams have two Digger Barnes/Macca type wingers out wide.


[/quote]

Barca: Pedro/Iniests and Messi
Madrid: Di MAria and Ronaldo
Arsenal: Walcott and Nasri
Man U: Valencia/Giggs and Nani
Bayern Munich: Robben and Ribery
Spurs: Lennon and Bale
Man C: Adam Johnson and Milner

Chelsea during Mourinho's stint : Robben and Duff

[/quote]

None of Pedro, Initesta or Messi are really "wingers". Nasri is definitely not a winger. Milner is more of a player in the Dirk Kuyt mould.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=45004.msg1317548#msg1317548 date=1303127993]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45004.msg1317498#msg1317498 date=1303123311]
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=45004.msg1317493#msg1317493 date=1303123019]
Ah, you've updated your post.
I would imagine Gerrard's misses are mostly from earlier on in his career. I remember not feeling confident at all when he was younger.
[/quote]

Conversion rates:
http://www.liverweb.org.uk/penaltyrates.asp

Steven Gerrard
30 taken
23 scored
7 missed
0.77 ratio

Dirk Kuyt
7
7
0
1.00
[/quote]

Most of his misses, if I'm not mistaken, were earlier on when he assumed the role. He's not missed many (maybe 2) in the last 3-4 years.
[/quote]

That's true, but a single miss can be crucial (as we're better placed than most to know, though fortunately for the right reasons).

I'd leave the job with Deadly too. For one thing he's done well enough to justify that, and for another it will help if Stevie's no longer the focus for everything. With a bit of luck the King will also tell him to get into the box for corners and have somebody else take them.
 
Gerrard's penalties have been impeccable the last few years. I used to be a bag of nerves watching him take them but now i'd trust him in any situation. He has earned that respect.

Same for Kuyt. He has done the business when it has mattered time and time again. Two in the derby, 100th min against Arsenal, Shoot outs the lot.
 
Kuyt should take them. End of. Whenever he goes to take them he looks so assured, Gerrard recently looks less so
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=45004.msg1317555#msg1317555 date=1303129631]
I like Kuyt, but he's not a RW in a 442, however well he played yesterday. It's amazing how everyone just forgets his countless crap games when he goes on a decent run of form.

We desperately need pace on both wings, whether as part of the starting XI or on the bench. We could have beaten Arsenal yesterday if our counterattacks hadn't mostly stuttered and died out due to our lack of pace.
[/quote]

Totally agree.
 
[quote author=GOD_23 link=topic=45004.msg1317558#msg1317558 date=1303130027]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45004.msg1317522#msg1317522 date=1303125289]
[quote author=Fox link=topic=45004.msg1317508#msg1317508 date=1303124015]
Do you really need two tricky, dribbly pacy wingers in modern footy?

Say for example our RB is pacy and capable like Magic then is it so important from that side of the pitch. Dirk can improve his crossing of course but if we have an excellent LW then having Dirk as an almost 3rd striker goals tally wise out on the right is a massive advantage.

Not many top teams have two Digger Barnes/Macca type wingers out wide.


[/quote]

Barca: Pedro/Iniests and Messi
Madrid: Di MAria and Ronaldo
Arsenal: Walcott and Nasri
Man U: Valencia/Giggs and Nani
Bayern Munich: Robben and Ribery
Spurs: Lennon and Bale
Man C: Adam Johnson and Milner

Chelsea during Mourinho's stint : Robben and Duff

[/quote]

None of Pedro, Initesta or Messi are really "wingers". Nasri is definitely not a winger. Milner is more of a player in the Dirk Kuyt mould.
[/quote]

spot on. I will give Modo Man Utd sometimes and Spurs (using an old left back), Ronaldo is hardly a winger these days either, he is a striker
 
I would also like to give The Dirkilizer kudos for his shot on goal, from 50-odd yards away.

Great, quick-thinking.

I think if that had gone in, The Emirates would have disintegrated.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=45004.msg1317637#msg1317637 date=1303141678]
I would also like to give The Dirkilizer kudos for his shot on goal, from 50-odd yards away.

Great, quick-thinking.

I think if that had gone in, The Emirates would have disintegrated.
[/quote]

Yeah I love that shit. You could always count on Alonso for a hail mary every season.
 
[quote author=Fox link=topic=45004.msg1317619#msg1317619 date=1303136303]
[quote author=GOD_23 link=topic=45004.msg1317558#msg1317558 date=1303130027]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45004.msg1317522#msg1317522 date=1303125289]
[quote author=Fox link=topic=45004.msg1317508#msg1317508 date=1303124015]
Do you really need two tricky, dribbly pacy wingers in modern footy?

Say for example our RB is pacy and capable like Magic then is it so important from that side of the pitch. Dirk can improve his crossing of course but if we have an excellent LW then having Dirk as an almost 3rd striker goals tally wise out on the right is a massive advantage.

Not many top teams have two Digger Barnes/Macca type wingers out wide.


[/quote]

Barca: Pedro/Iniests and Messi
Madrid: Di MAria and Ronaldo
Arsenal: Walcott and Nasri
Man U: Valencia/Giggs and Nani
Bayern Munich: Robben and Ribery
Spurs: Lennon and Bale
Man C: Adam Johnson and Milner

Chelsea during Mourinho's stint : Robben and Duff

[/quote]

None of Pedro, Initesta or Messi are really "wingers". Nasri is definitely not a winger. Milner is more of a player in the Dirk Kuyt mould.
[/quote]

spot on. I will give Modo Man Utd sometimes and Spurs (using an old left back), Ronaldo is hardly a winger these days either, he is a striker


[/quote]

In that case Barnes wasn't really a winger either.
 
If you mean 4-2-3-1 formation then Yes Kuyt is excellent on the right.

If we are talking 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 then he isn't.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=45004.msg1317555#msg1317555 date=1303129631]
I like Kuyt, but he's not a RW in a 442, however well he played yesterday. It's amazing how everyone just forgets his countless crap games when he goes on a decent run of form.

We desperately need pace on both wings, whether as part of the starting XI or on the bench. We could have beaten Arsenal yesterday if our counterattacks hadn't mostly stuttered and died out due to our lack of pace.
[/quote]

Thank you for bringing a bit of reality to the table Bunster

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45004.msg1317778#msg1317778 date=1303167567]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=45004.msg1317555#msg1317555 date=1303129631]
I like Kuyt, but he's not a RW in a 442, however well he played yesterday. It's amazing how everyone just forgets his countless crap games when he goes on a decent run of form.

We desperately need pace on both wings, whether as part of the starting XI or on the bench. We could have beaten Arsenal yesterday if our counterattacks hadn't mostly stuttered and died out due to our lack of pace.
[/quote]

Thank you for bringing a bit of reality to the table Bunster

regards
[/quote]

Pffft, you're one to talk about "reality".

According to you, Dirk is an "extremely limited footballer". Where's the reality in that?

He did alright in a 4-4-2 last week against City if memory serves me right. MOTM wasn't he?
 
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