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The Chinese have pulled the plug

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It seems the balancing act between servicing the demands of the owners and those bidding is going to be an impossible task.


None of this is good. I am worried by how much this reminds me of DIC pulling out after getting pissed off. That didn't work out so well, and I can't see this working out better. Huang seems like a chancer, trying to buy us on the cheap on one hand, and on the other, it seems that Broughton was very close last Friday to sealing the deal Huang's gang.
 
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I'm not going to lose sleep over the loss of a bid that I had doubts with from the beginning.
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Kenny Huang decided to withdraw from the race to buy Liverpool because of his increasing disillusionment with chairman Martin Broughton and the club’s board over the timescale and pace of a deal, it has emerged.

It is believed Huang was unimpressed at Liverpool’s unwillingness to set a general “horizon date†for the completion of a sale.

He is also thought to have been concerned by Broughton’s insistence that the board should reserve the right to accept an 11th-hour bid from another candidate even if the terms of sale had been agreed.

Broughton has been persistent in his assertion that he will not be corralled into rushing a sale by any candidate while sources close to the process are adamant it is in the club’s best interests to keep an open mind on the winning bidder until the very last minute.

Huang, the only contender to buy the debt-laden club who had made his intentions plain, issued a statement on Friday night.

In it he revealed that he had informed Liverpool’s board that he no longer wished to be considered a candidate to buy out the stakes of current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Though his bid has been laced with questions over the provenance of its funding since it was first revealed earlier this month, his advisers insist his finances were checked and approved by the Royal Bank of Scotland, who hold Liverpool’s £237 million debt, and Barclays Capital, the bank mandated to run the sale process.

He is also believed to have supplied all supporting paperwork requested by the club.

Huang was viewed as a “serious contender†by all parties linked to the sale, but grew frustrated at the board’s perceived prevarication.

He was refused a period of exclusivity in which to finalise his bid last week – he had wanted a deal to be agreed before the closure of the transfer window.

He was also concerned by the revelation that BarCap had been involved in an abortive attempt in June by Hicks and Gillett to refinance their debt and forego a sale.

Sources at Liverpool and BarCap have insisted the departure of Huang from the negotiating table is not a hammer blow to the sales process.


It has been suggested there may be as many as four other bids on the table, though as yet no other group has confirmed its interest. Liverpool’s board are believed to be discussing their options should no sale be secured.
 
The bank wouldn't put us into administration because it would not within their interest to do so.
 
What are the criteria for being put into administration? and why is everyone so sure that the bank wont do that.

Im only asking btw. Dont bite head off.
 
(If I remember my company law accurately from twenty years ago), broadly speaking, administration is the company equivalent of bankruptcy for an individual, i.e.control of its financial and other affairs is taken out of its hands and given to an "administrator" (usually an accountant or firm of accountants) whose priority is to get as much money for the creditors as possible, whether or not that involves keeping the company itself in business.

Doing all this is pretty much a last resort, when there is absolutely no prospect of the company paying its creditors anything otherwise, and casts serious doubt on whether the company is viable. Not all companies which go into administration end up going out of business, but if it does happen to a company that company's value immediately nosedives. RBS would therefore be cutting their own throat if they took such a step.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41525.msg1159143#msg1159143 date=1282486428]
(If I remember my company law accurately from twenty years ago), broadly speaking, administration is the company equivalent of bankruptcy for an individual, i.e.control of its financial and other affairs is taken out of its hands and given to an "administrator" (usually an accountant or firm of accountants) whose priority is to get as much money for the creditors as possible, whether or not that involves keeping the company itself in business.

Doing all this is pretty much a last resort, when there is absolutely no prospect of the company paying its creditors anything otherwise, and casts serious doubt on whether the company is viable. Not all companies which go into administration end up going out of business, but if it does happen to a company that company's value immediately nosedives. RBS would therefore be cutting their own throat if they took such a step.
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yup
 
Point is, they have a far better chance of achieving that by keeping the club out of administration, because then they'll have a far better chance of selling it for an amount of money which will be adequate to repay those loans, whereas if they put the club into administration they'll almost certainly get only a percentage of their money back.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41525.msg1159232#msg1159232 date=1282504570]
Point is, they have a far better chance of achieving that by keeping the club out of administration, because then they'll have a far better chance of selling it for an amount of money which will be adequate to repay those loans, whereas if they put the club into administration they'll almost certainly get only a percentage of their money back.
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Why?
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41525.msg1159138#msg1159138 date=1282485331]
What are the criteria for being put into administration? and why is everyone so sure that the bank wont do that.

Im only asking btw. Dont bite head off.
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*bites head off - refers Jack to the Huang thread* !!
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41525.msg1159232#msg1159232 date=1282504570]
Point is, they have a far better chance of achieving that by keeping the club out of administration, because then they'll have a far better chance of selling it for an amount of money which will be adequate to repay those loans, whereas if they put the club into administration they'll almost certainly get only a percentage of their money back.
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Why?
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Because the value of what they have to sell, i.e.the club, will then be a lot less.
 
I can't see a situation where they don't get their money back.

Administration would however give them full control of the sale of the club.
 
I wish I shared your confidence on the first point. As far as the second goes: if they foreclose on Laurel and Hardy, won't they have that anyway?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41525.msg1159241#msg1159241 date=1282506006]
I can't see a situation where they don't get their money back.

Administration would however give them full control of the sale of the club.
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It would, and you're right that the bank would definitely get their money back.

Still a lot of variables tho.

I dont think we can rule out litigation from the Yanks.

Administration is always possible, but the last thing RBS would want to do is take over the club until such a time as they can profitably sell it..they've have to invest time nd money in preventing it from crumbling..being public owned might also present another hurdle..I'm not sure if the British tax-payer thinks owning Liverpool is such a good thing.
 
If a deal is done which leaves them with nothing (which isn't to say they'd necessarily get anywhere with it). I don't agree with the whole of Avvy's post but I do think he's right about that.
 
Without trying to be obtuse you think they'd litigate on the basis that they'd not made a profit from indebtedness?
 
I think they could well try. My guess is they'd base any action on an allegation that their interests as shareholders hadn't been properly served and protected when the club was taken from them and sold. They might be persuaded not to if it were sold for some humungous sum which allowed them an acceptable payoff, but I'm a lot more sanguine than Avvy and Ross about the chances of that happening if the sale follows a takeover by the bank.
 
So if the Chinese have left...who are left? How many bidders are there? This seems all very blurry.
Status update please.
 
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as far as we know, 4 but who knows there is zilch.
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So what are we discussing? 😀
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41525.msg1159377#msg1159377 date=1282554156]
So if the Chinese have left...who are left? How many bidders are there? This seems all very blurry.
Status update please.
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Nobody knows fuck all Ossi. If something is happening or is due to happen - you can be assured we'll be the last to know.
 
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[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41525.msg1159377#msg1159377 date=1282554156]
So if the Chinese have left...who are left? How many bidders are there? This seems all very blurry.
Status update please.
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Nobody knows fuck all Ossi. If something is happening or is due to happen - you can be assured we'll be the last to know.[/quote]

Indeed, although there are plenty of charlatans out there who claim to have inside knowledge.

Deals of this kind are usually announced and there is seldom much if any publicity beforhand; think Chelsea or Manchester City (several times!).
 
we are discussing if there is no sale or even with a sale, LFC is doomed, however and whatever angle you are looking at it
 
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