The Blade Runner Trial

[dantes]

Even if the judge accepts his argument about a turd burglar, that makes little difference to the charge, he shot a human being through a locked door with the intention to kill. It's impossible to get away with that. Not even in Florida with a black kid in a hoodie could you do this.

 

[Judge Jules]

Even if the judge accepts his argument about a turd burglar, that makes little difference to the charge, he shot a human being through a locked door with the intention to kill. It's impossible to get away with that. Not even in Florida with a black kid in a hoodie could you do this.

Dantes, are you sure you know what that term means? 😀

 

[tony]

Lance Armstrong never tested positive either

yes he did!!

 

[dantes]

Dantes, are you sure you know what that term means? 😀

I know what each individual word means, and put them together. If there is some further synergistic definition of those two words I think I'd prefer to remain happily oblivious.

 

[Spionkop69]

I'm all for giving a man a fair hearing but could we not throw Shrien Dewani in the dock with Pistorious in a double jeopardy SUPER trial, cause otherwise we're gonna have to go through this show trial media shite all over again later this year.

That fucker is guilty as sin.

Gets carjacked and robbed, they kill his wife and then let him go to tell the tale? Life is pretty worthless to those types in SA, they wouldn't have let him live to tell the tale. GUILTY!

 

[Athens]

Dantes, are you sure you know what that term means? 😀

In Dublin it's the third person to illegally enter a house with the intention of stealing something.

 

[SummerOnions]

if she locked herself in the bathroom how was he crying over the body?

 

[Halmeister]

I reckon he was drunk. Story doesn't hold together at all, he was quite clearly legless.

 

[dmishra]

if she locked herself in the bathroom how was he crying over the body?

Read something about him breaking the door open with a cricket bat.

 

[Athens]

Read something about him breaking the door open with a cricket bat.

It would have been better if he used his blade like a crowbar to prise the door open

 

[Pesam]

That fucker is guilty as sin.

Gets carjacked and robbed, they kill his wife and then let him go to tell the tale? Life is pretty worthless to those types in SA, they wouldn't have let him live to tell the tale. GUILTY!

I think most people are 99% sure of the guilt of both Pistorious and Dewani but because they're able to afford the best legal representation I reckon it's only 50/50 for either of them to go to jail. A judicial system in which the wealthy have such a ridiculous advantage is pathetic.

 

[Rosco]

Your average peasant criminal has exactly the same chance if getting off in most countries

 

[Mamma Mia]

So it seems his burglar story now hinges on him sounding like a woman when he screams.

The defence have mentioned that they will show this with a 'decibel test'.

It's not quite a stump running demo, but it's close.

 

[tony]

I think most people are 99% sure of the guilt of both Pistorious and Dewani but because they're able to afford the best legal representation I reckon it's only 50/50 for either of them to go to jail. A judicial system in which the wealthy have such a ridiculous advantage is pathetic.

Having seen a documentary on the Dewani case I would say his guilt is by no means sure. The BBC picked loads holes in the prosecution case, I would say it is far from a cut and dry case. The main prosecution witness is the murderer who had his sentence lowered in return for his testimony - far from reliable imho. It really pisses me off when people judge someone as guilty pretrial without knowing anything other than basic information often exaggerated and distorted by the press.

 

[dantes]

Fucking hell. Does he really want to enter a south African prison with stumps and having admitted he screams like a girl.

 

[Hyena]

I think most people are 99% sure of the guilt of both Pistorious and Dewani but because they're able to afford the best legal representation I reckon it's only 50/50 for either of them to go to jail. A judicial system in which the wealthy have such a ridiculous advantage is pathetic.

What's the alternative?
An NBA draft system for legal representation?

 

[dantes]

If you are truly innocent, it would take a fucking act of god in order to convict you beyond reasonable doubt. What remains is the argument that poor people can't afford to get away with crimes they committed, there is nothing unfair about that and you can hardly blame the legal system. I suppose their remedy would be to commit crimes which would make them wealthy enough to get away with it.

 

[Pesam]

If you are truly innocent, it would take a fucking act of god in order to convict you beyond reasonable doubt. What remains is the argument that poor people can't afford to get away with crimes they committed, there is nothing unfair about that and you can hardly blame the legal system. I suppose their remedy would be to commit crimes which would make them wealthy enough to get away with it.

My concern is not that innocent poor people are being sent to jail, it's that some rich guilty people aren't.

 

[Pesam]

What's the alternative?
An NBA draft system for legal representation?

Yup, stop the abhorrent legal fees that solicitors/lawyers charge, have a set payment structure; maybe about £100,000 per year as it's a tough job and requires a few years of studying and then the court appoints a prosecution/defence lawyer to each side.

 

[Pesam]

Having seen a documentary on the Dewani case I would say his guilt is by no means sure. The BBC picked loads holes in the prosecution case, I would say it is far from a cut and dry case. The main prosecution witness is the murderer who had his sentence lowered in return for his testimony - far from reliable imho. It really pisses me off when people judge someone as guilty pretrial without knowing anything other than basic information often exaggerated and distorted by the press.

I'd say that the reason it's not "cut and dry" is down to the poor handling of the case and sloppy gathering of evidence rather than the possibility that he actually didn't do it. As Spion mentioned earlier, it's unheard of that a robbery such as this in South Africa would leave one victim dead and the other released, Dewani's meetings with the taxi driver are hugely suspect and his reluctance to go the South Afica to clear his name also looks very suspicious. I'm not saying 100% that he's guilty but I'd be stunned if he wasn't involved.

 

[Hyena]

If you are truly innocent, it would take a fucking act of god in order to convict you beyond reasonable doubt. What remains is the argument that poor people can't afford to get away with crimes they committed, there is nothing unfair about that and you can hardly blame the legal system. I suppose their remedy would be to commit crimes which would make them wealthy enough to get away with it.

I don't know why you say that. There are loads of crimes where it's one man's word against another. Like molest, rape, assault, etc. The jury / judge has to choose who they believe and its 50-50. Then there are people who confess to crimes because they didn't know better. People who get framed or set up. In short, the are tons of innocent people who get convicted..

 

[dantes]

I don't know why you say that. There are loads of crimes where it's one man's word against another. Like molest, rape, assault, etc. The jury / judge has to choose who they believe and its 50-50. Then there are people who confess to crimes because they didn't know better. People who get framed or set up. In short, the are tons of innocent people who get convicted..

I didn't think of those circumstances. I was talking about wealthy people who get off because they have expensive barristers who can find loopholes or can change the law by mooting, or doing something else clever. If you go down because of a police set up, or you have a confession beaten out of you... well then no amount of wealth makes a difference to the outcome there.

 

[dantes]

Barrister: I put it to you, that you heard the sound of a cricket bat hitting the door

Witness: Uh, I don't know how the bat was handled, but if we assume it was swung like an axe, it takes more time to swing, lift, reset, and swing again than the time between the rapid succession of gunshots I heard

Barrister: You have never heard the sound of gunshots from indoors, to another house 170m away.

Witness: I was outside on my balcony when I heard the shots. I was also wide awake and my senses were in a heightened state. So I am confident that I definitely heard gunshots.

Barrister: Yes. In your statement you said "I did not count the number of shots, there were 4 or 5. Is this a reflection of your acute and heightened senses?

Witness *fuck me dude really*: My lady, can I just ask which of the senses we use to count? I don't use my senses of touch, smell, sight or hearing when I'm counting.

There follows a period of silence as the barrister is shuffling through papers then changes the subject

I don't think Oscar is getting value for money here.

 

[dantes]

The next question he asked was truly stunning.

Barrister: You said yesterday before the shooting, you could not remember for how long the screaming was. Do you remember that...your inability to remember?

 

[Mamma Mia]

The next question he asked was truly stunning.

At times I thought he was trying to go all Derren Brown on one of the witnesses. He'd ask a vague question that he knows the witness wouldn't know the answer to, then keeps repeating back their answer, over and over and over. "You're not sure. Hmm. Yes. You are not sure. You are not sure. Of course, you could not be sure. Not sure."

 

[Rosco]

I think it's more a reflection of the shite hand he has to play than anything else.

 

[#roadred]

From the BBC website, cheeky BBC

Pistorius prosecution into last leg

The trial of South African athlete Oscar Pistorius, accused of murdering his girlfriend resumes for a fourth week in which the prosecution is due to wrap up its case.

 

[Judge Jules]

Ouch. 😀

 

[dantes]

Hahaha they hacked into his phone and read out his whatdapp messages in open court. He truly is an insecure controlling and abusive cunt of a person. That won't go down well with the female judge.

His dumbass barrister also submitted that he never fired a gun in a restaurant and asked a friend to take the blame. When his friend and other diners testified, the barrister put it to them that they were lying. The whatsapp messages contain a signed sealed and delivered confession. That isn't going to go down so well either.

The poor fuck is gonna earn himself a whole life sentence if this carries on.

 

[jexykrodic]

Will they let him take his blades into prison?

There are many questions whatever is decided.