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personally I think liverpool are greater than the sum of their parts hen everything clicks, however when things are going tits up we have far too many average players.
Tonight's game didn't settle anything wrt this thread. Both teams were pish but Liverpool have Gerrard, Pepe and Torres (and Mascher when not pissed off/suspended)
Liverpool haven't been playing as aTEAM since last April - Aston Villa do play as a team and work hard together.
I think currently Liverpool aren't an even decent team but they do have some spectacularly good individuals.
Liverpool haven't been playing as aTEAM since last April - Aston Villa do play as a team and work hard together.
I think currently Liverpool aren't an even decent team but they do have some spectacularly good individuals.
im not convinced. we were poor again, aquilani looks to have been ruined by benitez or else just not that good. we were dominated by villa they had the clearer chances and more possesion. so in the end reina and torres had to both be unbelievably good at their jobs for us to just scrape a 1-0 win against fucking aston villa
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=38168.msg1023305#msg1023305 date=1262125057]
im not convinced. we were poor again, aquilani looks to have been ruined by benitez or else just not that good. we were dominated by villa they had the clearer chances and more possesion. so in the end reina and torres had to both be unbelievably good at their jobs for us to just scrape a 1-0 win against fucking aston villa
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They had TWO chances in the match. We had 9 shots on target to their 6. WE had 54% possession to their 46% .... you were saying ?
im not convinced. we were poor again, aquilani looks to have been ruined by benitez or else just not that good. we were dominated by villa they had the clearer chances and more possesion. so in the end reina and torres had to both be unbelievably good at their jobs for us to just scrape a 1-0 win against fucking aston villa
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They had TWO chances in the match. We had 9 shots on target to their 6. WE had 54% possession to their 46% .... you were saying ?
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=38168.msg1023309#msg1023309 date=1262125447]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=38168.msg1023305#msg1023305 date=1262125057]
im not convinced. we were poor again, aquilani looks to have been ruined by benitez or else just not that good. we were dominated by villa they had the clearer chances and more possesion. so in the end reina and torres had to both be unbelievably good at their jobs for us to just scrape a 1-0 win against fucking aston villa
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They had TWO chances in the match. We had 9 shots on target to their 6. WE had 54% possession to their 46% .... you were saying ?
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What he's saying is plain and simple wrong.
Villa have managed to beat Chelski at Villa Park and United away this Season (alongside their win at our place mind) so it's by no means an easy place to steal all three points. It shouldn't be underestimated.
I thought we were the better team tonight (marginally) apart from two spells of around 10 minutes where they took the game to us.
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=38168.msg1023305#msg1023305 date=1262125057]
im not convinced. we were poor again, aquilani looks to have been ruined by benitez or else just not that good. we were dominated by villa they had the clearer chances and more possesion. so in the end reina and torres had to both be unbelievably good at their jobs for us to just scrape a 1-0 win against fucking aston villa
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They had TWO chances in the match. We had 9 shots on target to their 6. WE had 54% possession to their 46% .... you were saying ?
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What he's saying is plain and simple wrong.
Villa have managed to beat Chelski at Villa Park and United away this Season (alongside their win at our place mind) so it's by no means an easy place to steal all three points. It shouldn't be underestimated.
I thought we were the better team tonight (marginally) apart from two spells of around 10 minutes where they took the game to us.
Although we probably had more possession than Villa, we were dire in attack tonight. Maybe the conditions had something to do with it, but our passing and control were dire. Even Torres' goal came from a lucky rebound which is the kind of thing that rarely happens to us.
I thought Dirk had a particularly Dirk-like game. And can't Rafa stop Stevie from taking the corners? He's really not very good at them.
It was great to get the three points but it didn't prove Frogfish's contention that we are so much better than our rivals for 4th place.
I thought Dirk had a particularly Dirk-like game. And can't Rafa stop Stevie from taking the corners? He's really not very good at them.
It was great to get the three points but it didn't prove Frogfish's contention that we are so much better than our rivals for 4th place.
we were not that dire, we put some good moves together - as i predicted Kuyt was a problem and should have slid Torres in for a goal
I have seen a noticable improvement in the last 2 games and there's more to come because now the confidence will be higher
Interestingly this has come with Masher out the side and 5 attacking minded players as opposed to just the 4 . It's what we should have done at Portsmouth and what we should stick to
I have seen a noticable improvement in the last 2 games and there's more to come because now the confidence will be higher
Interestingly this has come with Masher out the side and 5 attacking minded players as opposed to just the 4 . It's what we should have done at Portsmouth and what we should stick to
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38168.msg1023332#msg1023332 date=1262126592]
we were not that dire, we put some good moves together - as i predicted Kuyt was a problem and should have slid Torres in for a goal
I have seen a noticable improvement in the last 2 games and there's more to come because now the confidence will be higher
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we were not that dire, we put some good moves together - as i predicted Kuyt was a problem and should have slid Torres in for a goal
I have seen a noticable improvement in the last 2 games and there's more to come because now the confidence will be higher
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*!!!*
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=38168.msg1023309#msg1023309 date=1262125447]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=38168.msg1023305#msg1023305 date=1262125057]
im not convinced. we were poor again, aquilani looks to have been ruined by benitez or else just not that good. we were dominated by villa they had the clearer chances and more possesion. so in the end reina and torres had to both be unbelievably good at their jobs for us to just scrape a 1-0 win against fucking aston villa
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They had TWO chances in the match. We had 9 shots on target to their 6. WE had 54% possession to their 46% .... you were saying ?
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there was reina's point blank save. there was agbonlahors right foot shot at reina. there was carew's header that missed the post by an inch. thats THREE. well done.
seeing the ball in our own half with lucas and the defence probably wasn't that memorable. so i must have missed that possesion.
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=38168.msg1023305#msg1023305 date=1262125057]
im not convinced. we were poor again, aquilani looks to have been ruined by benitez or else just not that good. we were dominated by villa they had the clearer chances and more possesion. so in the end reina and torres had to both be unbelievably good at their jobs for us to just scrape a 1-0 win against fucking aston villa
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They had TWO chances in the match. We had 9 shots on target to their 6. WE had 54% possession to their 46% .... you were saying ?
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there was reina's point blank save. there was agbonlahors right foot shot at reina. there was carew's header that missed the post by an inch. thats THREE. well done.
seeing the ball in our own half with lucas and the defence probably wasn't that memorable. so i must have missed that possesion.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=38168.msg1023326#msg1023326 date=1262126312]
Although we probably had more possession than Villa, we were dire in attack tonight. Maybe the conditions had something to do with it, but our passing and control were dire. Even Torres' goal came from a lucky rebound which is the kind of thing that rarely happens to us.
I thought Dirk had a particularly Dirk-like game. And can't Rafa stop Stevie from taking the corners? He's really not very good at them.
It was great to get the three points but it didn't prove Frogfish's contention that we are so much better than our rivals for 4th place.
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Agree with all of that.
The suggestion in another post that they had "two" chances in the match is borderline insanity. I can think of Agbonlahor and Carew in quick succession; the first was a good chance where Reina saved well and the second should have been a certain goal with a free header and the net gaping. We had more shots (stats) but they had far better chances and, apart from Babel's (non)header and Gerrard in the first half we really created very little.
I'm not sorry we won - far from it. But we're papering over the cracks once again if we think this was somehow a strong victory for the club. It was a huge victory, an absolutely massive three points but, if anything, it demonstrated the point many have been making: we're not the better team. We won because the ball fell to one of the best strikers we've ever had - there was no semblance of team play.
As in our wins against Ferguson under GH while the mancs kept marching to the title; we had the individuals to win the one off games but not the team performances to win a title. We were largely cup kings under GH - our best players able to make something happen in the one off games. Currently that's where we're playing right now - able to win in a big game against Villa when one of our stars made the difference.
Our work ethic as a team tonight was great - light years from Pompey. That ethic and an elite striker won us the game because our team work, passing and general interplay was second to Villa for large periods. As Spider eludes to it is only when we can produce performances that are greater than the sum of our parts - like the mancs, Villa and Arsenal do regularly - that we can consider ourselves a great team or even a good team. Until then we're just a group of players sprinkled with world class who can jag a win against anyone but, equally, be pummeled by almost anyone.
We all know the reality; Great players win games but it takes a great team to win a title.
Although we probably had more possession than Villa, we were dire in attack tonight. Maybe the conditions had something to do with it, but our passing and control were dire. Even Torres' goal came from a lucky rebound which is the kind of thing that rarely happens to us.
I thought Dirk had a particularly Dirk-like game. And can't Rafa stop Stevie from taking the corners? He's really not very good at them.
It was great to get the three points but it didn't prove Frogfish's contention that we are so much better than our rivals for 4th place.
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Agree with all of that.
The suggestion in another post that they had "two" chances in the match is borderline insanity. I can think of Agbonlahor and Carew in quick succession; the first was a good chance where Reina saved well and the second should have been a certain goal with a free header and the net gaping. We had more shots (stats) but they had far better chances and, apart from Babel's (non)header and Gerrard in the first half we really created very little.
I'm not sorry we won - far from it. But we're papering over the cracks once again if we think this was somehow a strong victory for the club. It was a huge victory, an absolutely massive three points but, if anything, it demonstrated the point many have been making: we're not the better team. We won because the ball fell to one of the best strikers we've ever had - there was no semblance of team play.
As in our wins against Ferguson under GH while the mancs kept marching to the title; we had the individuals to win the one off games but not the team performances to win a title. We were largely cup kings under GH - our best players able to make something happen in the one off games. Currently that's where we're playing right now - able to win in a big game against Villa when one of our stars made the difference.
Our work ethic as a team tonight was great - light years from Pompey. That ethic and an elite striker won us the game because our team work, passing and general interplay was second to Villa for large periods. As Spider eludes to it is only when we can produce performances that are greater than the sum of our parts - like the mancs, Villa and Arsenal do regularly - that we can consider ourselves a great team or even a good team. Until then we're just a group of players sprinkled with world class who can jag a win against anyone but, equally, be pummeled by almost anyone.
We all know the reality; Great players win games but it takes a great team to win a title.
I don't disagree that much with the gist of your post but you're making your point far too forcefully in my opinion Wiz. It's like when you said that we were hanging on for the last 15 mins in the match thread - we weren't. It was at most about 5 minutes. Similarly, we weren't completely outclassed by Villa's passing and interplay - I don't know how we could be when for the majority of the second half, we were camped in their half.
[quote author=claretandblue link=topic=38168.msg1022746#msg1022746 date=1262103399]
Your midfield match-ups need a bit of adjusting and I can’t agree that your back 5 are all better than all of ours.
Reina or Friedl = Reina
Johnson or Luke Young = Johnson
Agger or Davies = Agger (just)
Carragher or Dunne = Dunne
Warnock or Insua / Aurelio = Warnock
Aurelio / Riera or Young = Young
Petrov or Mascherano = Mascherano
Aquilani or Milner = Milner
Kuyt/Benayoun or Downing = Downing
Gerrard or Agbonlahor = Gerrard
Torres or Carew / Heskey = Torres
It’s pretty close imo until you consider just how much stronger Gerrard and Torres are compared to Agbonlahor and Carew/Heskey.
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More balanced than the original post. Aurelio, Carra & Aqua wouldn't get there based on this season despite the OP's arguments.
Your midfield match-ups need a bit of adjusting and I can’t agree that your back 5 are all better than all of ours.
Reina or Friedl = Reina
Johnson or Luke Young = Johnson
Agger or Davies = Agger (just)
Carragher or Dunne = Dunne
Warnock or Insua / Aurelio = Warnock
Aurelio / Riera or Young = Young
Petrov or Mascherano = Mascherano
Aquilani or Milner = Milner
Kuyt/Benayoun or Downing = Downing
Gerrard or Agbonlahor = Gerrard
Torres or Carew / Heskey = Torres
It’s pretty close imo until you consider just how much stronger Gerrard and Torres are compared to Agbonlahor and Carew/Heskey.
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More balanced than the original post. Aurelio, Carra & Aqua wouldn't get there based on this season despite the OP's arguments.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=38168.msg1023326#msg1023326 date=1262126312]
Although we probably had more possession than Villa, we were dire in attack tonight. Maybe the conditions had something to do with it, but our passing and control were dire. Even Torres' goal came from a lucky rebound which is the kind of thing that rarely happens to us.
I thought Dirk had a particularly Dirk-like game. And can't Rafa stop Stevie from taking the corners? He's really not very good at them.
It was great to get the three points but it didn't prove Frogfish's contention that we are so much better than our rivals for 4th place.
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My point will only be proved by the final standings Portly. Waaay too early to go there.
Although we probably had more possession than Villa, we were dire in attack tonight. Maybe the conditions had something to do with it, but our passing and control were dire. Even Torres' goal came from a lucky rebound which is the kind of thing that rarely happens to us.
I thought Dirk had a particularly Dirk-like game. And can't Rafa stop Stevie from taking the corners? He's really not very good at them.
It was great to get the three points but it didn't prove Frogfish's contention that we are so much better than our rivals for 4th place.
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My point will only be proved by the final standings Portly. Waaay too early to go there.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=38168.msg1023345#msg1023345 date=1262128462]
[quote author=claretandblue link=topic=38168.msg1022746#msg1022746 date=1262103399]
Your midfield match-ups need a bit of adjusting and I can’t agree that your back 5 are all better than all of ours.
Reina or Friedl = Reina
Johnson or Luke Young = Johnson
Agger or Davies = Agger (just)
Carragher or Dunne = Dunne
Warnock or Insua / Aurelio = Warnock
Aurelio / Riera or Young = Young
Petrov or Mascherano = Mascherano
Aquilani or Milner = Milner
Kuyt/Benayoun or Downing = Downing
Gerrard or Agbonlahor = Gerrard
Torres or Carew / Heskey = Torres
It’s pretty close imo until you consider just how much stronger Gerrard and Torres are compared to Agbonlahor and Carew/Heskey.
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More balanced than the original post. Aurelio, Carra & Aqua wouldn't get there based on this season despite the OP's arguments.
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The OP's ascertions weren't based on this season so far - as it stated ! Otherwise you would be correct none of those three would be in.
[quote author=claretandblue link=topic=38168.msg1022746#msg1022746 date=1262103399]
Your midfield match-ups need a bit of adjusting and I can’t agree that your back 5 are all better than all of ours.
Reina or Friedl = Reina
Johnson or Luke Young = Johnson
Agger or Davies = Agger (just)
Carragher or Dunne = Dunne
Warnock or Insua / Aurelio = Warnock
Aurelio / Riera or Young = Young
Petrov or Mascherano = Mascherano
Aquilani or Milner = Milner
Kuyt/Benayoun or Downing = Downing
Gerrard or Agbonlahor = Gerrard
Torres or Carew / Heskey = Torres
It’s pretty close imo until you consider just how much stronger Gerrard and Torres are compared to Agbonlahor and Carew/Heskey.
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More balanced than the original post. Aurelio, Carra & Aqua wouldn't get there based on this season despite the OP's arguments.
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The OP's ascertions weren't based on this season so far - as it stated ! Otherwise you would be correct none of those three would be in.
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=38168.msg1023338#msg1023338 date=1262127548]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=38168.msg1023326#msg1023326 date=1262126312]
Although we probably had more possession than Villa, we were dire in attack tonight. Maybe the conditions had something to do with it, but our passing and control were dire. Even Torres' goal came from a lucky rebound which is the kind of thing that rarely happens to us.
I thought Dirk had a particularly Dirk-like game. And can't Rafa stop Stevie from taking the corners? He's really not very good at them.
It was great to get the three points but it didn't prove Frogfish's contention that we are so much better than our rivals for 4th place.
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Agree with all of that.
The suggestion in another post that they had "two" chances in the match is borderline insanity. I can think of Agbonlahor and Carew in quick succession; the first was a good chance where Reina saved well and the second should have been a certain goal with a free header and the net gaping. We had more shots (stats) but they had far better chances and, apart from Babel's (non)header and Gerrard in the first half we really created very little.
I'm not sorry we won - far from it. But we're papering over the cracks once again if we think this was somehow a strong victory for the club. It was a huge victory, an absolutely massive three points but, if anything, it demonstrated the point many have been making: we're not the better team. We won because the ball fell to one of the best strikers we've ever had - there was no semblance of team play.
As in our wins against Ferguson under GH while the mancs kept marching to the title; we had the individuals to win the one off games but not the team performances to win a title. We were largely cup kings under GH - our best players able to make something happen in the one off games. Currently that's where we're playing right now - able to win in a big game against Villa when one of our stars made the difference.
Our work ethic as a team tonight was great - light years from Pompey. That ethic and an elite striker won us the game because our team work, passing and general interplay was second to Villa for large periods. As Spider eludes to it is only when we can produce performances that are greater than the sum of our parts - like the mancs, Villa and Arsenal do regularly - that we can consider ourselves a great team or even a good team. Until then we're just a group of players sprinkled with world class who can jag a win against anyone but, equally, be pummeled by almost anyone.
We all know the reality; Great players win games but it takes a great team to win a title.
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Wow - I forgot one other half-chance they had and it becomes 'Borderline Insanity' :🙂 In that case name all the other chances they had ? Exactly. They weren't even close with any others because the defence (and the CBs in particular) were getting close to last season's form. Whereas our half-chances can be binned right ? That seems to be the mentality on here; if other teams create chances or retain possession then they deserve to win, if we do that (away from home at the team with the 2nd best defensive record in the league - having even now only conceded 6 goals in 10 matches at home, and in dire weather conditions, having had more possession and more shots on target) then it seems hardly to count.
For instance had Milner scored the winning goal at the back post when our defenders misjudged the flight of the ball then their ascertions that Villa are a better team would have been justified. Whereas the fact we did is irrelevant. When other teams get the luck it's because they were applying pressure, when we get it then it's an aberration not caused by anything our team did right. Luck flows both ways as we have already seen this season on far too many occasions - and ours was way overdue.
Too many people here are far too willing to pummel the team when it's down without giving credit when it's due. And to discount last season as if it didn't happen. We do not go from a team able to play anyone off the park to a club sprinkled with world class players but unable to play as a 'team' virtually overnight. To suggest that is plainly ridiculous, there are other factors in play for our inability to perform as highly as last season and to fail to consider them in the equation is just, plainly, wrong.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=38168.msg1023326#msg1023326 date=1262126312]
Although we probably had more possession than Villa, we were dire in attack tonight. Maybe the conditions had something to do with it, but our passing and control were dire. Even Torres' goal came from a lucky rebound which is the kind of thing that rarely happens to us.
I thought Dirk had a particularly Dirk-like game. And can't Rafa stop Stevie from taking the corners? He's really not very good at them.
It was great to get the three points but it didn't prove Frogfish's contention that we are so much better than our rivals for 4th place.
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Agree with all of that.
The suggestion in another post that they had "two" chances in the match is borderline insanity. I can think of Agbonlahor and Carew in quick succession; the first was a good chance where Reina saved well and the second should have been a certain goal with a free header and the net gaping. We had more shots (stats) but they had far better chances and, apart from Babel's (non)header and Gerrard in the first half we really created very little.
I'm not sorry we won - far from it. But we're papering over the cracks once again if we think this was somehow a strong victory for the club. It was a huge victory, an absolutely massive three points but, if anything, it demonstrated the point many have been making: we're not the better team. We won because the ball fell to one of the best strikers we've ever had - there was no semblance of team play.
As in our wins against Ferguson under GH while the mancs kept marching to the title; we had the individuals to win the one off games but not the team performances to win a title. We were largely cup kings under GH - our best players able to make something happen in the one off games. Currently that's where we're playing right now - able to win in a big game against Villa when one of our stars made the difference.
Our work ethic as a team tonight was great - light years from Pompey. That ethic and an elite striker won us the game because our team work, passing and general interplay was second to Villa for large periods. As Spider eludes to it is only when we can produce performances that are greater than the sum of our parts - like the mancs, Villa and Arsenal do regularly - that we can consider ourselves a great team or even a good team. Until then we're just a group of players sprinkled with world class who can jag a win against anyone but, equally, be pummeled by almost anyone.
We all know the reality; Great players win games but it takes a great team to win a title.
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Wow - I forgot one other half-chance they had and it becomes 'Borderline Insanity' :🙂 In that case name all the other chances they had ? Exactly. They weren't even close with any others because the defence (and the CBs in particular) were getting close to last season's form. Whereas our half-chances can be binned right ? That seems to be the mentality on here; if other teams create chances or retain possession then they deserve to win, if we do that (away from home at the team with the 2nd best defensive record in the league - having even now only conceded 6 goals in 10 matches at home, and in dire weather conditions, having had more possession and more shots on target) then it seems hardly to count.
For instance had Milner scored the winning goal at the back post when our defenders misjudged the flight of the ball then their ascertions that Villa are a better team would have been justified. Whereas the fact we did is irrelevant. When other teams get the luck it's because they were applying pressure, when we get it then it's an aberration not caused by anything our team did right. Luck flows both ways as we have already seen this season on far too many occasions - and ours was way overdue.
Too many people here are far too willing to pummel the team when it's down without giving credit when it's due. And to discount last season as if it didn't happen. We do not go from a team able to play anyone off the park to a club sprinkled with world class players but unable to play as a 'team' virtually overnight. To suggest that is plainly ridiculous, there are other factors in play for our inability to perform as highly as last season and to fail to consider them in the equation is just, plainly, wrong.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38168.msg1023343#msg1023343 date=1262128300]
I don't disagree that much with the gist of your post but you're making your point far too forcefully in my opinion Wiz. It's like when you said that we were hanging on for the last 15 mins in the match thread - we weren't. It was at most about 5 minutes. Similarly, we weren't completely outclassed by Villa's passing and interplay - I don't know how we could be when for the majority of the second half, we were camped in their half.
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Exactamundo.
As I said some people seem to be far too willing to see the negative side of our game whilst being blind to seeing the positives, (comment not directed at Wiz).
I don't disagree that much with the gist of your post but you're making your point far too forcefully in my opinion Wiz. It's like when you said that we were hanging on for the last 15 mins in the match thread - we weren't. It was at most about 5 minutes. Similarly, we weren't completely outclassed by Villa's passing and interplay - I don't know how we could be when for the majority of the second half, we were camped in their half.
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Exactamundo.
As I said some people seem to be far too willing to see the negative side of our game whilst being blind to seeing the positives, (comment not directed at Wiz).
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38168.msg1023332#msg1023332 date=1262126592]
we were not that dire, we put some good moves together - as i predicted Kuyt was a problem and should have slid Torres in for a goal
I have seen a noticable improvement in the last 2 games and there's more to come because now the confidence will be higher
Interestingly this has come with Masher out the side and 5 attacking minded players as opposed to just the 4 . It's what we should have done at Portsmouth and what we should stick to
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Portly said dire up front I think, which , apart from Fernando's fantastic finish was pretty bleeding obvious
regards
we were not that dire, we put some good moves together - as i predicted Kuyt was a problem and should have slid Torres in for a goal
I have seen a noticable improvement in the last 2 games and there's more to come because now the confidence will be higher
Interestingly this has come with Masher out the side and 5 attacking minded players as opposed to just the 4 . It's what we should have done at Portsmouth and what we should stick to
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Portly said dire up front I think, which , apart from Fernando's fantastic finish was pretty bleeding obvious
regards
OK do a comparison of the benches now, let's see how we get on there.
I think the original post's idea that Aurellio is a better option than Warnock was hysterical by the way.... 😉
regards
I think the original post's idea that Aurellio is a better option than Warnock was hysterical by the way.... 😉
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38168.msg1023529#msg1023529 date=1262163186]
OK do a comparison of the benches now, let's see how we get on there.
I think the original post's idea that Aurellio is a better option than Warnock was hysterical by the way.... 😉
regards
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They have completely different qualities. I prefer Aurelio's to Warnock's half season of being a couple of levels above his usual mediocrity.
OK do a comparison of the benches now, let's see how we get on there.
I think the original post's idea that Aurellio is a better option than Warnock was hysterical by the way.... 😉
regards
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They have completely different qualities. I prefer Aurelio's to Warnock's half season of being a couple of levels above his usual mediocrity.
Villa got what they deserved FUCK ALL.
Cowardly display by them really considering how fragile weve been and how disjointed and injured and shite we are.... ten men behind the ball most of the time at home!!Humping the ball up to carew and agbo.... fuck em, cowards all of em.
We lack height, we lack consistency, we lack squad depth, we lack money to buy the one or two match winners needed..... we do not lack courage.
Cowardly display by them really considering how fragile weve been and how disjointed and injured and shite we are.... ten men behind the ball most of the time at home!!Humping the ball up to carew and agbo.... fuck em, cowards all of em.
We lack height, we lack consistency, we lack squad depth, we lack money to buy the one or two match winners needed..... we do not lack courage.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38168.msg1023529#msg1023529 date=1262163186]
OK do a comparison of the benches now, let's see how we get on there.
[/quote]
Villa
Collins
Beye
Delph
Guzan
Albrighton
Sidwell
Delfouneso
Us
The Greek
Skrtel
Babel
Spearing
N'gog
Aurelio
Cavaileri
OK do a comparison of the benches now, let's see how we get on there.
[/quote]
Villa
Collins
Beye
Delph
Guzan
Albrighton
Sidwell
Delfouneso
Us
The Greek
Skrtel
Babel
Spearing
N'gog
Aurelio
Cavaileri
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38168.msg1023343#msg1023343 date=1262128300]
I don't disagree that much with the gist of your post but you're making your point far too forcefully in my opinion Wiz. It's like when you said that we were hanging on for the last 15 mins in the match thread - we weren't. It was at most about 5 minutes. Similarly, we weren't completely outclassed by Villa's passing and interplay - I don't know how we could be when for the majority of the second half, we were camped in their half.
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Mate, I had to go back and read my own post twice after this one; if that's the way it came across to you then so be it. I stand by my comment of hanging on in the last 15 - the last 5 was just ever player (inc Torres) in the box trying to clear our lines but prior to that they were the only team that looked likely. I've just watched it a second time and after the non-header from Ryan we were treading water even if it wasn't all hands to the pump.
I didn't say nor even insinuate that we were completely outclassed by Villa's passing etc; but we were second best in that area for lengthy periods - and we certainly weren't camped in their half for the second 45.
Maybe, as you say, I'm over doing it but there are still plenty who are willing to say we're a better team than Villa becausewe have players like Gerrard, Torres, Mascher and Reina. It's never been true and never will be. Our very own recent history is the perfect demonstration of this reality.
I don't disagree that much with the gist of your post but you're making your point far too forcefully in my opinion Wiz. It's like when you said that we were hanging on for the last 15 mins in the match thread - we weren't. It was at most about 5 minutes. Similarly, we weren't completely outclassed by Villa's passing and interplay - I don't know how we could be when for the majority of the second half, we were camped in their half.
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Mate, I had to go back and read my own post twice after this one; if that's the way it came across to you then so be it. I stand by my comment of hanging on in the last 15 - the last 5 was just ever player (inc Torres) in the box trying to clear our lines but prior to that they were the only team that looked likely. I've just watched it a second time and after the non-header from Ryan we were treading water even if it wasn't all hands to the pump.
I didn't say nor even insinuate that we were completely outclassed by Villa's passing etc; but we were second best in that area for lengthy periods - and we certainly weren't camped in their half for the second 45.
Maybe, as you say, I'm over doing it but there are still plenty who are willing to say we're a better team than Villa becausewe have players like Gerrard, Torres, Mascher and Reina. It's never been true and never will be. Our very own recent history is the perfect demonstration of this reality.
[quote author=ILD link=topic=38168.msg1023666#msg1023666 date=1262176508]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38168.msg1023529#msg1023529 date=1262163186]
OK do a comparison of the benches now, let's see how we get on there.
[/quote]
Villa
Collins
Beye
Delph
Guzan
Albrighton
Sidwell
Delfouneso
Us
The Greek
Skrtel
Babel
Spearing
N'gog
Aurelio
Cavaileri
[/quote]
Shall we give that to them then?
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38168.msg1023529#msg1023529 date=1262163186]
OK do a comparison of the benches now, let's see how we get on there.
[/quote]
Villa
Collins
Beye
Delph
Guzan
Albrighton
Sidwell
Delfouneso
Us
The Greek
Skrtel
Babel
Spearing
N'gog
Aurelio
Cavaileri
[/quote]
Shall we give that to them then?
regards
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