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Roy Hodgson's Apology Too Late To Save His Liverpool Career

Roy Hodgson has apologised to Liverpool fans for questioning their support, but his contrition has come too late to safeguard his future as manager after the club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), determined that he is not the man to take the club forward.

Though Hodgson is only six months into the three-year contract he signed last summer, he will be ousted as soon as a high-calibre replacement can be identified and recruited.

The 63-year-old has made it clear that he will not tender his resignation despite presiding over Liverpool’s worst start to a season for 57 years and his relationship with the club’s supporters breaking down, so FSG will effectively take the decision out of his hands by actively targeting his successor.

Should the right man become available Hodgson’s departure will be confirmed before the end of the season, although FSG will continue to bide its time in a bid to ensure that the problems facing the club are not exacerbated by any short-term decisions, as was the case last summer after the removal of Rafael Benítez.

Hodgson was in damage-limitation mode yesterday, apologising to supporters for his assertion that they had failed to back him. But his remorse appeared to cut little ice, with an online petition calling for his immediate dismissal attracting more than 11,000 signatories and demanding “a manager of greater qualityâ€.

Liverpool’s 1-0 defeat at home to Wolverhampton Wanderers on Wednesday was a setback too far for both fans and owners in a season in which embarrassing results have become a regular occurrence.

Hodgson attempted to build bridges before today’s home match against Bolton Wanderers. “It is a cliché but we do need time, patience and support, and the support from our fans at this club is of vital importance because that is what has made the club great through the years,†he said yesterday.

“We need that support and we need them [the supporters] to get behind us because things aren€™t going well.â€
 
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Tony Barrett
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Roy Hodgson has apologised to Liverpool fans for questioning their support, but his contrition has come too late to safeguard his future as manager after the club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), determined that he is not the man to take the club forward.

Though Hodgson is only six months into the three-year contract he signed last summer, he will be ousted as soon as a high-calibre replacement can be identified and recruited.

The 63-year-old has made it clear that he will not tender his resignation despite presiding over Liverpool’s worst start to a season for 57 years and his relationship with the club’s supporters breaking down, so FSG will effectively take the decision out of his hands by actively targeting his successor.

Should the right man become available Hodgson’s departure will be confirmed before the end of the season, although FSG will continue to bide its time in a bid to ensure that the problems facing the club are not exacerbated by any short-term decisions, as was the case last summer after the removal of Rafael Benítez.

Hodgson was in damage-limitation mode yesterday, apologising to supporters for his assertion that they had failed to back him. But his remorse appeared to cut little ice, with an online petition calling for his immediate dismissal attracting more than 11,000 signatories and demanding “a manager of greater qualityâ€.

Liverpool’s 1-0 defeat at home to Wolverhampton Wanderers on Wednesday was a setback too far for both fans and owners in a season in which embarrassing results have become a regular occurrence.

Hodgson attempted to build bridges before today’s home match against Bolton Wanderers. “It is a cliché but we do need time, patience and support, and the support from our fans at this club is of vital importance because that is what has made the club great through the years,†he said yesterday.

“We need that support and we need them [the supporters] to get behind us because things aren’t ging well.â€
 
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Is this IT? Ah well I didn't think they'd be sacking him anyway.
 
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The press are running reports on how the owners are stepping up process of identifying the next manager, with "Marseilles' Didier Deschamps, Porto's Andre Villas Boas, Borussia Dortmund's Jürgen Klopp or even Bolton's Owen Coyle" touted as the preferred choices. Let's hope they get it right.
 
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Not only that. There's an article in the guardian with quotes from roy that name him sound almost suicidal

As soon as the replacement is identified he's gone.

Defeat against Bolton and he's done.

It's only a matter if time now.
 
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just read the guardian article. He's gooone - sad but neccessary and any day now....
 
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God, what a trip in Self Pity. It'd not working out. Show some dignity and stop these awful interviews. Of course it's upsetting, but you're not sitting on the couch!

[size=10pt]Liverpool's owners seek replacement for Roy Hodgson[/size]

As the manager expressed his hurt and loneliness in the club's predicament his masters were searching for a successor

* Tim Rich
* guardian.co.uk, Saturday 1 January 2011 00.43 GMT
* Article history

The Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson says it has been an 'uphill struggle' at Anfield The Liverpool manager, Roy Hodgson, says it has been an 'uphill struggle' at Anfield. Photograph: Clive Brunskill/Getty Images

Roy Hodgson became manager of Liverpool 183 days ago. On the day he got the job he said: 'I always knew Liverpool fans were special. The motto "You'll never walk alone" is really lived by the fans. It's a club where you feel you're not alone.' Today those words came back to haunt him.

Roy Hodgson's days at Liverpool appear to be numbered after it emerged last night the club's American owners are ready to replace him midway through the season, if the right candidate becomes available.

As the manager made an emotional plea to fans to get behind him and apologised for his perceived criticism of them after Wednesday's defeat by Wolverhampton Wanderers, Fenway Sports Group, which bought the club in October, had reportedly decided to start looking for his successor after six months at the helm. The former Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard has been linked with the job, as have Didier Deschamps, Porto's André Villas Boas and Bolton's Owen Coyle.

While one poll suggested that more than nine in 10 Liverpool fans wanted Hodgson sacked, the manager yesterday gave vent to his feelings.

"After the defeat by Wolves I thought I did quite a good job to disguise the hurt, the sadness and, to some extent, the anger that I was feeling. To take stick from the crowd and then to stand up in a press conference and say I understood and sympathised with them ... It is always going to be the case as a manager that when things are going wrong you are going to get that flak, that stick. It is unfortunate for me that fans should think I went into a press conference with a view to attacking them because nothing could be further from the truth.

"Two or three weeks ago we were on a good roll and playing some good football and everything looked so bright and positive. A very good performance at Tottenham, which should have encouraged people, has now become just another defeat. Then we had the last two defeats, against Newcastle and Wolves, which have hurt us very badly and hurt me very badly. It has swung things round enormously and put us in the situation where we find ourselves today. I cannot emphasise enough that it hurts me deeply. It hurts my professional pride. It hurts all the things I believe in to find myself in the situation I am in but I have to accept it. I feel very bad and very down.

"I have the experience but it has been an uphill struggle since I came here. Maybe that was the point I was trying to make [about the famous Anfield support] which has been interpreted as a crack against the fans. I have had a lot of situations to deal with and worked very hard to put together a team that knows what it is doing and can produce winning football. Along the way there have been some very big setbacks which have thrown me into the limelight and the firing line. I accept it as part of taking a job of this stature.

"Last night I saw a quote from Benjamin Disraeli when he became prime minster: 'I have achieved my goal and climbed to the top of the greasy pole.' That is really what we do. That is how I feel. Coming to Liverpool for me was a pinnacle; to some extent it was a reward for the work I had put in, not just at Fulham but in the years before. It was a recognition of my competence. You come here hoping you will keep flying forward but, yes, I did know it would be difficult. If we can between now and the end of the season get the results everybody wants, people will respect us more for the hardship we have gone through. It is a cliché but we coaches do need time, patience and support. Support at this club is of vital importance because that is what has made it great through the years – the feeling that Liverpool is a bit special and that people get together when things are not going well.

"It would be nice to have people around you who could help you a bit more but it doesn't really work that way. It is a lonely job being the manager of a top club. You can't expect people to help you too much. The staff are very good and supportive – and so too are the players – but your family is the most important during these times. They try to encourage you that life isn't all doom and gloom and there might be a bright spot somewhere along the way. That is what you have to cling on to.

"Two defeats in a row – and one of them at home against a team you are expected to beat – that is a time when you are going to be very hurt and upset about everything. Lonely is not the wrong word to use because, to be quite honest, you don't want company anyway. You want to be left alone with your thoughts. They are not pleasant thoughts but you don't have the desire to do anything other than sit around with them."
 
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Roy is a dead man walking. They have probably asked him to offer his resignation, and he has refused. It doesn't make sense that any one should leak this story under other circumstances.
 
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That was quite a touching, revealing and honest interview from Hodgson, to which the only decent, correct, even human response would be:

Fuck off Budgie, you useless old cunt, I hate you and you're the Worst Liverpool Manager In History.
 
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Hahaha. Where did the nickname 'Budgie' come from, by the way?
 
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Ha! Simple and effective. Who came up with it, though?
 
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It's a Brendanism, coined with the same loving care as his posts above. ;D
 
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Well, you ought to know, but I'm pretty sure you were the first to use it on here and I hadn't seen it elsewhere previously.
 
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I feel sorry for Budgie, he's fucked us over and given some horrible interviews, but I just feel he's tried to play the role when he's woefully out of his depth in doing so.

That interview was more like the man I thought was taking over, a gentleman, not that I thought that person was the right person or anything, but it was certainly a more humble and dignified one than what we've seen.
 
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Agreed. The pressure is simply too much for him and the contrast between this interview, conducted away from the "heat of battle" so to speak, and its predecessors proves that if proof were needed. He really should end it now for his own sake, payout or no payout.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43319.msg1240738#msg1240738 date=1293883416]
Agreed. The pressure is simply too much for him and the contrast between this interview, conducted away from the "heat of battle" so to speak, and its predecessors proves that if proof were needed. He really should end it now for his own sake, payout or no payout.
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Fuck him, he is obviously putting his wealth ahead of his health.

He is more concerned on getting a big pay packet, than peace of mind and feeling good.
 
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=43319.msg1240741#msg1240741 date=1293883537]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43319.msg1240738#msg1240738 date=1293883416]
Agreed. The pressure is simply too much for him and the contrast between this interview, conducted away from the "heat of battle" so to speak, and its predecessors proves that if proof were needed. He really should end it now for his own sake, payout or no payout.
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Fuck him, he is obviously putting his wealth ahead of his health.

He is more concerned on getting a big pay packet, than peace of mind and feeling good.
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You don't know that, he might just think he can do the job and be determined to try and see it through. Not that that will happen, but it doesn't mean he himself has to feel he should admit defeat.
 
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He has led us into the relegation places in his first few months.

His 'Judge me after 10 games' he turned into "These are not my players no-one could do better'

He has us in our LOWEST League position going into the new year since we was relageted in the 50's

He has slagged off his players

He has slagged off the fans

He has critisized almost every player here, but none of his own signings

We are THREE points off relegation, and RIGHT NOW we are in a relagation battle.

He uttered the immortal words "I have managed like this for 35 years and I am not going to change now"
 
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You're fighting the wrong argument here Asbo, I don't disagree with any of that, you said he was obviously money motivated, which is just an assumption, *he* might just feel he can do the job.
 
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How can he feel he can do the job?

He has been here before in 2001, the statements he made back then are almost exactly what he is making now, but back then when he slagged the fans off, the owners said 'Thats it your fucking out right now!'

He can't change, he is a fucking I was going to say has been but hes a 'never been'.

He has languished in the also rans for 35 years and thats where he belongs, if any fool ever hires him again.

I hate him with a passion, but I don't wish him ill, and if he doesn't go soon, I think he might become ill.
 
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*Bangs head against wall*

I think you're missing the point by a mile. You said he was money motivated because he was determined to stay on, I said he may just feel that he can do the job (regardless of what we know and think).

I can't put it any clearer than that, you keep going off on a tirade about what he's done, it's fucking irrelevant.
 
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I actually sort of agree with you, I think he thinks he is better than he is.

But its blatently obvious to everyone outside his head, that he isn't.
 
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I am actually depressed... FUCK OFF NOW!!!

Much better first half, but still, ARGH!!!!!!!
 
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Time must be called on Roy Hodgson's tenure at Liverpool

With the derisory and ironic chants of "Hodgson for England" from the Anfield crowd ringing fresh in his ears, following Liverpool's stunning and stultifying 1-0 home loss to then bottom-placed Wolves, coach Roy Hodgson committed probably the final fatal two verbal missteps in what has been a tortuous six-month reign.

First, he confirmed what some had already suspected -- that his longtime experience with mid-tier/smaller clubs had left him resoundingly unprepared to manage the expectations and pressure at one of the world's most prestigious clubs -- albeit one in name only these days.

"If fans are going to expect to [beat the bottom-of the league team] that's very dangerous. If they're going to do that they're going to be in for a lot of disappointments," said Hodgson to reporters. "I don't think one should be so disrespectful to [Wolves], to say it's unacceptable to lose to another team in the same league." It's one thing to caution against complacency, it's quite another to downplay failure against a team that not only was bottom of the Premier League, but had the worst road record in all four divisions in England this season before Wednesday.

If that wasn't enough, he then compounded the situation by criticizing Liverpool fans for their lack of support. "Ever since I came here the famous Anfield support hasn't really been there .. I have to hope the fans will become supporters because we need support," said Hodgson. With that statement, Hodgson virtually alienated whatever vestiges of support he had remaining from the masses, regardless of subsequent attempted damage control.

Even so, it's doubtful that owner John W. Henry and NESV will move swiftly to remove Hodgson as coach -- all indications suggest NESV remains reluctant to change coaches midway through the season and Henry himself is said to prefer to wait until the summer. Yet Hodgson's tenure has been so disastrous that leaving him in place would be far more damaging and here's why:

A list of records broken

If Hodgson intended to leave a legacy, he's surely done that. The magnitude of his accomplishments will never be forgotten, except it'll be for the wrong reasons. Under his watch, the unenviable has occurred:

• Liverpool has lost 8 matches after 18 match rounds in the league for the first time since 1964/1965.
• The last time Liverpool had less points at turn of the year was in 1953-54 ... the season it was relegated.
• After the first five games of the season, Liverpool recorded its worst start to a season since 1992-93.
• Liverpool suffered its first loss to Blackpool at Anfield since 1967.
• Liverpool's first loss to Stoke in 26 years.
• Liverpool's first-ever loss in its entire history to fourth division opposition (Northampton in September).
• Liverpool suffered only its second-ever loss to Wolves at home in 60 years.
• For a period this season Liverpool has been mired in bottom-three relegation zone for first time since 1984.
• The worst winning percentage (41.38%) for a Liverpool manager since 1959, edging Graeme Souness' 41.4% in 1991-94.
• The first Liverpool manager to win fewer than six of his first 18 league games in charge since George Kay only won five back in 1936.

Tactical Ineptitude

I've written before as to why Hodgson's tactical approach, while well-suited for lower-tier teams such as Fulham, are inadequate for a team such as Liverpool that's expected to carry the play to the opposition. In simplest terms, Hodgson's obsession with defending deep, employing a formation of rigid lines that dissuades his players to get forward and relying solely on the long ball/counter attack to fashion goal-scoring opportunities is simply archaic.

Even Hodgson advocates such as former Norway international Lars Bohinen (who has cited Hodgson as the best coach he's ever worked with) recognize the flaws in this system for "bigger" clubs. "Players such as [Steven] Gerrard and [Fernando] Torres are unable to shine in [Hodgson's] formation and Roy Hodgson is the one to blame for this. ... he focuses too much on the defensive structure of a team," wrote Bohinen in his blog. "He doesn't really have a clear philosophy when it comes to attacking football ... He's the right man for a club that wants to defend and grind out a result, but I'm not sure he's the right man for Liverpool."

As further evidence of Hodgson's obsession with an antiquated route one approach, look no further than the tactical chalkboards which outline the difference in approach of goalkeeper Pepe Reina's distribution in the same corresponding matchup last season compared with Wednesday. Only two of Reina's passes against Wolves at Anfield last season reached or crossed the halfway line -- the majority were short and accurately distributed. Yet Wednesday against Wolves, Reina launched around 35 long passes which crossed halfway, no doubt at Hodgson's behest.

If his general philosophy wasn't already rudimentary enough, Hodgson compounds the problem with a clear lack of tactical sophistication. He often deploys players in unfamiliar positions (Raul Meireles for example is far more comfortable in his natural central midfield spot, yet has been inexplicably stationed on the right wing at times) and has shown inability to devise an offensive game plan when the team's required to chase an equalizing goal. The primary example of this could be seen in the loss to Blackpool in September -- a game which Liverpool ended by inanely utilizing midfielders Steven Gerrard at center back and Raul Meireles at left back and center back Sotiris Kyrgiakos at center forward. After all, it makes perfect sense to use a defender to score a tying goal when Hodgson only has one of the world's most notable clutch scorers of late-game wonder goals at his service.

The creation of the Hodgson myth

At this point, some may wonder how Hodgson got the job in the first place. Well, there's no question that his congenial nature and personal relationships with segments of the British media have gained him favorable and excessive plaudits in the past. Take for instance his much-lauded success at Fulham which rather dubiously earned him the League Manager Association's Manager Of The Year award last season.

Under his guidance, Fulham finished seventh his first season and then 12th his second. Was that really all that impressive an achievement? Saving Fulham from relegation and establishing it safely in midtable was commendable but hardly the feat of coaching genius some made it out to be. His predecessor at Fulham, Chris Coleman once took the team to ninth, yet no one deemed him a coaching savant. Then you look at Fulham's away record under Hodgson, a paltry four road wins in the last two seasons combined. In five Premier League seasons with Blackburn and Fulham, Hodgson won a grand total of 12 games on the road. His predecessor at Liverpool, Rafa Benitez, won 13 away games alone in the 2008-09 season with Liverpool. Granted, Hodgson took Fulham on a magical Europa League cup final run last season, but Steve McClaren also managed that feat with Middlesbrough too in 2006.

Add to that the strange reluctance by some English media to question the veracity of his postgame comments. Take for example his disingenuous comments after Liverpool's dour 0-0 draw against Utrecht on Dec. 15 in the Europa League. "Utrecht play really well away from home, keep the ball and cause problems," said Hodgson to reporters. Fair enough you say, yet Utrecht's away form in the Dutch Eredivisie up to that point in the season? Ten games played, two wins, one draw and seven losses.

Furthermore, Hodgson's recent international club record doesn't exactly inspire confidence either. At Norway's Viking, his last club managerial post before Fulham, he took over in 2004 and managed a club that had finished fifth the previous season to a ninth-place finish. Sage? Somehow I think not.

Liverpool's supposedly "awful" squad

It's also worth remembering that Benitez was fired for finishing seventh with this Liverpool squad -- a result deemed unacceptable by fans, pundits and press alike. There's no question that Liverpool's squad as currently constructed is flawed and almost certainly no longer top-four caliber. However to suggest that the squad is of low quality and deservedly struggling to stay just above the relegation zone is ludicrous.

Eight members of the team that lost to Wolves Wednesday were involved in the famous 4-0 dismantling of Real Madrid in 2009. In the loss to newly-promoted Blackpool, all 10 outfield starters for Liverpool were capped internationals who had received playing time in the most recent World Cup (as were two of the three substitutes used that day). The bulk of the squad (along with several new additions) that finished seventh still remain. There are a lot of managers in the Premier League that would love to suffer with such "paucity" of resources. A Champions League spot this season was always ambitious with the rise of Man City and Spurs as powers, but the current squad is not devoid of talent and should have been easily capable of a top-eight finish (at the minimum) in the right hands.

John W. Henry and Hodgson himself have also pointed to the fact that Hodgson should be absolved of some of the blame since the squad was not of his making. To be fair, the present demeanor and apparent apathy of much of the team on the playing field is also partially to blame (although that's also invariably linked to what the squad thinks of Hodgson's coaching methods and adds credence to rumors he's lost most of the dressing room). However, since when did it become set in stone that a manager had to have all of his own signings in place before he could be judged on his work?

Look no further than Owen Coyle's work in his first full season at currently sixth-placed Bolton. Not only has he transformed the fortunes of a team that previously finished 13th and 16th under Gary Megson, he's done so while completely reshaping the team's playing style beyond all recognition. Moreover, Coyle's done so while making use of largely the same bulk of players Megson had, minus the addition of midfielders Stuart Holden and Martin Petrov.

The transformation of Swedish striker Johan Elmander under Coyle's fluid passing philosophy has been similarly remarkable. Flourishing after being removed from the shackles of Megson's long-ball approach, Elmander has nine league goals this season, more than he scored in his previous two combined where he was ;argely derided as a failure. You could argue his fortunes are an inverse mirror of Liverpool's formerly prolific Fernando Torres. Torres has dissipated from a goal machine with the highest goal-scoring rate in the Premier League per minute under Benitez's high-pressing possession-based system, to floundering in Hodgson's system that calls for endless long punts, something he's obviously ill-suited for.

So what exactly is NESV waiting for?

Clearly NESV is determined to avoid making a rushed ill-informed decision and has also purportedly ruled out any notion of re-installing Benitez at the helm. You could also argue that the caution stems from the fact that many of the top or ideal candidates to replace Hodgson are likely unobtainable in midseason. For instance, Marseille's Didier Deschamps would be unwilling to leave with Marseille in the midst of a promising Champions League campaign, while progressive, gifted young minds such as Dortmund's Juergen Klopp and Porto's Andre Villa Boas both recently signed long-term contract extensions.

One argument would be to appoint fan favorite and club legend Kenny Dalglish in an interim role in a holding pattern till the summer, but one suspects that NESV considers his appointment to be fraught with potential downside. If Dalglish failed to arrest the decline, how would fans react to his removal as coach? If the team commenced an impressive winning streak or season-ending run under Dalglish, the pressure to keep him as permanent coach would rise. Unless NESV considers Dalglish a candidate for a permanent role from the onset, it's likely they view his candidacy as a political land mine. That said, there are other candidates for the interim position -- youth coach and former Barcelona academy guru Rodolfo Borrell for one. Borrell could take the reins until the summer when the real search could begin and the net cast wide to include candidates such as Copenhagen's eccentric-but-talented Staale Solbakken or the Netherland's Bert Van Marwijk

On the one hand, NESV's considered stance is to be admired in some respects. Its success with its other sport franchises certainly didn't arise from knee-jerk reactionary moves. However, in this instance, even while under the guise of being novices to the game of soccer and adjusting to the learning curve, there's a point where prudent caution crosses the divide and morphs into willful negligence. That time is now, and Hodgson's painful tenure must be ended sooner rather than later before Liverpool's assets depreciate further.

Jen Chang is the soccer editor for SI.com. He can be reached on armchairsweeper@gmail.com. You can also follow him on Twitter at Jenchang88.
 
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606: DEBATE
I hereby offer my virtual handshake to Roy Hodgson! All is forgiven!
Andy1005


Idiocy.
 
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