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Sunderland Match Thread

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You responded to one hyperbole bellend by generalising about the forum being like a zoo. To match every over-reactive critic, there's always a similarly over-enthusiastic poster who finds positivity in *everything*. Both are annoying. Let's just call a spade a spade, it was a lost opportunity that wasn't helped by a poor performance and some poor in-game decisions.

I hardly think refrencing posts like that to a zoo is a generalisation. Cause its obviously two hyperbole comments.
Its not the stance of the rest of the forum, which I think is more in agreement with that bad feeling it is dropping two points from a winning position but without going all loopy.
 
Of course I'm blaming Klopp. He knows what Lucas is. Bringing him on was capitulation. These free-kicks around the box aren't anecdotal, they're the story of the last decade. It's beyond blaming the player now, it's on the manager for picking the pathetic fucking cunt.

Woland's hatred of Lucas is most enjoyable to read.
 
Woland's hatred of Lucas is most enjoyable to read.
I tend to agree with Woland, although I feel sorry for Lucas because he was probably quite a promising young midfielder until Benitez got hold of him and turned him into an anti-footballer.
 
I tend to agree with Woland, although I feel sorry for Lucas because he was probably quite a promising young midfielder until Benitez got hold of him and turned him into an anti-footballer.

Lucas owes Benitez his entire career

He wasn't good enough to play any other role in the Premiership, as even Lucas admitted
 
I obviously agree with Woland - but we drew away albeit a shite team but we need to move on

Yeah. We have been very good all Autumn, aside from a few blips. The only reason we are not just a point or two from top is that Chelsea has been absolutely brilliant. They have also played most of the other top six teams compared to the rest. So we just have to Accept that every now and then, due to different circumstances, we might play a shit game and then we move on from there. If we look back to the first 20 games and use the Sunderland or the Burnley game as the proof for what this team has been all about we are giving them no favours at all. We have shown that our top Level is better than all others, and we need to give the team credit for that. Getting stuck into the few poor performances, giving the team all kind of shit and brand them useless is not what they deserve. I would be devastated if we saw such a performance when being in 6-8th position and struggling all over, but afterall we have built a strong team that sits in 2nd. The team has shown that they can beat whoever we face, and that the 4-0 trashing of Barca before the season was not only because Barca saw it as pure trainign. It was also Down to us being a quite good team. The team deserves fans that are proud of them, and backing them even when they have an off day, not sulkers who come crawling from under their rock only when they have a bad day, and uses the club to identify their own life only when we loose.
So even if it felt like a blow (I know some says Sunderland got what they deserved, but they could not have complained if they lost to a team that had 70% possession and outshot them With 15-4 shots at target where two of theirs came from the spot) we now have a good opportunity to let some of the key players who has been most involved have a short break over the weekend, while others like Can, Klavan, Origi and possibly Lallana use the cup game to find more sharpness.
 
You've mentioned this a few times but I've never seen any quotes to back it up.

Care to enlighten me where Lucas said this?

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I can't really afford t0 spend too much time enlightening you, given it's the very definition of a Sisyphean task, but since you fucking keep banging on about it, just this once I will accede.

"I had to change the way I played, used to play. I just thought I had no option. The way the Premier League is with the pace of the game and everything, I was not able to do that [be a box to box midfielder].

I couldn't do it so I just felt, 'Listen, you have to understand that the league is different. If you want to be successful you have to change.'

A holding position was a position that I felt more comfortable in.


Rafa just played me there for a few games and then I started to adapt and play some good games.
I got better as well, I went to the gym, went on the weights."
 
It's true though....he was for a brief period looking like a decent player after he bulked up a bit....but then he got injured and never reached that level again...
 
@Dreambeliever

I can't really afford t0 spend too much time enlightening you, given it's the very definition of a Sisyphean task, but since you fucking keep banging on about it, just this once I will accede.

"I had to change the way I played, used to play. I just thought I had no option. The way the Premier League is with the pace of the game and everything, I was not able to do that [be a box to box midfielder].

I couldn't do it so I just felt, 'Listen, you have to understand that the league is different. If you want to be successful you have to change.'

A holding position was a position that I felt more comfortable in.

Rafa just played me there for a few games and then I started to adapt and play some good games.
I got better as well, I went to the gym, went on the weights."
Interesting where is that from?
 
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