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Suarez vs Salah

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In early March I made a comparison of salah' stats against Suarez in the 2013/2014 season. This was done on March 6 and I have not updated it

Salah has scored 32 goals in 38 appearances
Number of games with zero goals: 12
Number of games with one goal: 20
Number of games with two goals: 6
Goals against top 6 teams: 7

Suarez scored 31 goals in 37 appearances
Number of games with zero goals: 19
Number of games with one goal: 9
Number of games with two goals: 6
Number of games with three goals: 2
Number of games with four goals: 1

Goals against top 6 teams: 4 (3 against Spurs)

Suarez was more explosive and erratic. Of course, Salah is not the creative force of nature Suarez was but what struck me is his goal scoring consistency. He has scored one goal in 20 games this season including against top teams.

There are gaps in Suarez goal scoring in the second half of the season particularly against top teams. As brilliant as Suarez was, Salah is something else.

And I don't agree with the assertion that Suarez was able to do it on his own whereas Salah needs Bobby and Mane. Rodgers sold Carroll and crafted our attack to be centered around Suarez. The trifecta of SAS was something else also. Suarez had Coutinho and Gerrard supplying him. Gerrard set piece delivery was particularly brilliant during that season. When Coutinho left, a lot of us (including myself) was worried Salah's productivity will decline. he has only taken it to the next level.

Salah is entering Balon D'or or World Player of the Year conversation in a manner Suarez never did.
Both were brilliant, but Salah is better.
 
Mo said something in an interview lately which made it sound like he was really focused on scoring consistently.

"Each game we try to win the three points, but every game I want to score and help the team"
 
Mors said:
For me neither. Suarez easily currently
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I think nostalgia is clouding your judgement. Suarez has less CL goals than Alexander Arnold this season. Hes just not the same player anymore, hes lost a yard of pace and hes not getting the same space he used to. Wouldnt be hugely surprised if Barca move him on this summer with Griezmann reported to be joining .
 
RedStar said:
I think nostalgia is clouding your judgement. Suarez has less CL goals than Alexander Arnold this season. Hes just not the same player anymore, hes lost a yard of pace and hes not getting the same space he used to. Wouldnt be hugely surprised if Barca move him on this summer with Griezmann reported to be joining .
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I’d take him back. On the cheap.
 
juniormember said:
I’d take him back. On the cheap.
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I dont think hes going to be one of those players thats still great in his mid 30s. Alot of his game is built off the back of hard running and as he slows down its going to diminish him, much like Rooney. Hes probably only got one or two more seasons in him at the top level. Somebody will probably get rinsed signing him this summer for big money and be stuck with him on massive wages, Chelsea would be my guess.
 
RedStar said:
I dont think hes going to be one of those players thats still great in his mid 30s. Alot of his game is built off the back of hard running and as he slows down its going to diminish him, much like Rooney. Hes probably only got one or two more seasons in him at the top level. Somebody will probably get rinsed signing him this summer for big money and be stuck with him on massive wages, Chelsea would be my guess.
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He has the skill set and passing range/vision (far more than rooney) and game intelligence to make it in a more withdrawn role.
It’ll be interesting to see how he adapts his game over the next couple of years.
 
I think Squiggles and Peekay have it covered between them.

It's Salah all day long.

I suspect people pick Suarez because he was such an unusual and unorthodox player - you wouldn't coach anyone to play with the odd techniques he had mastered. So i get that people think he was more special.

Salah is ruthless efficiency personified. When he gets the ball out wide right the whole world knows he's looking to step inside and shoot and you still can't stop him. That must be frightening for any team.

The one thing I would add to Peekay's post is the shots per goal and that illustrates the efficiency difference between the two. Suarez took 5.5 shots per goal, Salah 3.9.
 
You have to take into account that most of Salah’s shots on goal are from close proximity, while Suarez tried all sorts of outrageous efforts. Whether that’s a positive or negative is up to each of us to judge, but as a football fan I didn’t half enjoy seeing Suarez try the crazy stuff, and pull a lot of them off.
 
Are they even comparable? They're both match winners, but in different ways. One seems to be your typical clinical fox in the box (though he does have more to his game). The other is a brilliant creative force who also scores lots of goals.

Both together would have brilliant, but they're fairly incomparable. They're both absolutely top class and among the greatest players we've had (I don't think it's too early to say that), you'd take either in a heartbeat, but I really couldn't choose.
 
juniormember said:
You have to take into account that most of Salah’s shots on goal are from close proximity, while Suarez tried all sorts of outrageous efforts. Whether that’s a positive or negative is up to each of us to judge, but as a football fan I didn’t half enjoy seeing Suarez try the crazy stuff, and pull a lot of them off.
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Shot selection is a skill. There's nothing stopping Salah from taking potshots from everywhere.

It might be more entertaining if he did but I prefer winning, so i'll take Salah as he is.
 
Rosco said:
Shot selection is a skill. There's nothing stopping Salah from taking potshots from everywhere.

It might be more entertaining if he did but I prefer winning, so i'll take Salah as he is.
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I think there is, it’s why Suarez was special. All the footballing genius’s try stuff that most others wouldn’t imagine, or would be embarrassed to attempt due to the likelihood of them not coming off.
I’m not trying to criticise Salah at all. I think he’s brilliant. If it’s about efficiency, goals scored, shots to goal ratio, etc, then yeah Salah tops it. Maybe he’s more valuable to us than Suarez was.
But Suarez was simply on a different planet when it came to imagination and execution. He really was a joy to watch. So wish we could have seen him and Salah on the pitch together. Along with Firmino in an AM role and Mane to the left. That trounces our attackers of the nearly season. Suarez might have been even better. The amount of times he tried one-twos with the others and never got a return pass was depressing (except when the interchange was with Gerrard). He’d be in heaven with our current lot.
 
Rosco said:
I think Squiggles and Peekay have it covered between them.

It's Salah all day long.

I suspect people pick Suarez because he was such an unusual and unorthodox player - you wouldn't coach anyone to play with the odd techniques he had mastered. So i get that people think he was more special.

Salah is ruthless efficiency personified. When he gets the ball out wide right the whole world knows he's looking to step inside and shoot and you still can't stop him. That must be frightening for any team.

The one thing I would add to Peekay's post is the shots per goal and that illustrates the efficiency difference between the two. Suarez took 5.5 shots per goal, Salah 3.9.
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No I choose him because of his will to win coupled with his outrageous skill, close control, determination, aggression and link up play
 
juniormember said:
I think there is, it’s why Suarez was special. All the footballing genius’s try stuff that most others wouldn’t imagine, or would be embarrassed to attempt due to the likelihood of them not coming off.
I’m not trying to criticise Salah at all. I think he’s brilliant. If it’s about efficiency, goals scored, shots to goal ratio, etc, then yeah Salah tops it. Maybe he’s more valuable to us than Suarez was.
But Suarez was simply on a different planet when it came to imagination and execution. He really was a joy to watch. So wish we could have seen him and Salah on the pitch together. Along with Firmino in an AM role and Mane to the left. That trounces our attackers of the nearly season. Suarez might have been even better. The amount of times he tried one-twos with the others and never got a return pass was depressing (except when the interchange was with Gerrard). He’d be in heaven with our current lot.
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Salah may lack Suarez's flamboyance but he does the tricks with the ball so efficiently which are difficult to execute at the pace he plays. For example, that pass to Mane in the goal against City. He traps the ball with one feet and then passes with another. And that entire process happens in a fluid motion while running. The way he creates space in the box to take a shot when he has defenders in front of him. Simple tricks which are often not as expressive as Suarez's but equally if not more potent.
 
Dreambeliever said:
No I choose him because of his will to win coupled with his outrageous skill, close control, determination, aggression and link up play
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Sound, so he's a slightly more technical player than Salah with less of an output
 
Dreambeliever said:
It's hard innit.

But Suarez's was on another planet.

His 13/14 season is the best season I've ever seen from a footballer so will always be hard to top it,
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You mean the one where he scored 31 Goals in 33 games and took us to second?

Salah has scored 41 in 45 we could finish second and win the champions league.

Ten more goals! With potentially 7 games left.
What exactly would Salah need to do to top that Suarez season in your eyes? Win the determined?
 
Oncy said:
You mean the one where he scored 31 Goals in 33 games and took us to second?

Salah has scored 41 in 45 we could finish second and win the champions league.

Ten more goals! With potentially 7 games left.
What exactly would Salah need to do to top that Suarez season in your eyes? Win the determined?
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Bite and be racist
 
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