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Stoke Vs Liverpool Match Thread

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Klopp said so too. Poor first half were we played over the midfield and chased one and one... but we saw it, rectified it and won it. That is superb.
 
Klopp said so too. Poor first half were we played over the midfield and chased one and one... but we saw it, rectified it and won it. That is superb.

Rectified what? We put on Firmino and Coutinho (and then Sturridge) who put them on the back foot. We just put on our better players, moved other players back to their more recent positions (Milner and Clyne), got some quality and cohesion back and turned it round. Clyne and Milner shouldn't have been moved out of position in the first place. We not only lost quality through not having Coutinho and Firmino, we then hampered ourselves further by fucking around with the system and player positions.
 
Haha! All the negative bastards on here must feel better now

I can't even be arsed getting into this, but you were quite clearly having a pop because people were pissed off in the first half, like it was some grand masterplan or something from Klopp, we could have been dead and buried at half time. Luckily we weren't and everyone can enjoy the win, but you're the one who decided to pull out the "negative bastards" comment, those posters had every right to be negative and it doesn't warrant the gloating.

Whatever mate. The match threads are filled with oot comments, and this is what you point out after a win. Well done.

Reading through the match thread you'd think those 45 mins would determind if Klopp is a good manager or not. Seeing as we actually turned it around, both the match thread and post match thread got more quiet and less posts. Which says it all really.

Anyway, whatever. I'll enjoy the win and stay clear of some small time bickering nearly a day after the game itself.
 
Rectified what? We put on Firmino and Coutinho (and then Sturridge) who put them on the back foot. We just put on our better players, moved other players back to their more recent positions (Milner and Clyne), got some quality and cohesion back and turned it round. Clyne and Milner shouldn't have been moved out of position in the first place. We not only lost quality through not having Coutinho and Firmino, we then hampered ourselves further by fucking around with the system and player positions.

We adjusted the way we played mate. If what you described isn't rectifying then I am not sure what is..
 
What does it say ?

If you're going to make a huge cunty comment you should really be explicit about it
 
Whatever mate. The match threads are filled with oot comments, and this is what you point out after a win. Well done.

Reading through the match thread you'd think those 45 mins would determind if Klopp is a good manager or not. Seeing as we actually turned it around, both the match thread and post match thread got more quiet and less posts. Which says it all really.

Anyway, whatever. I'll enjoy the win and stay clear of some small time bickering nearly a day after the game itself.

What was OOT about criticising the first half? We were flat and lacking in anything remotely resembling a good side or idea, so people rightly voiced their concerns. The win was great because the of the fact we came behind at a notoriously difficult hunting ground, but we'd given ourselves an uphill struggle with the lineup and tactics. One reason to be concerned and huge satisfaction from the fact we recognised the issue and sorted it. Like I say, I don't really care to come on here now and start pulling the team apart for it, you were the one who opted for the "where are the negative bastards now" type of comment, which was unnecessary. Putting positive spin on absolutely everything is as nauseating as listening to the ultra cynical posters on here.

Just call a spade a spade, we were shite in the first half and great in the second. The second half doesn't erase the fact that initially we'd got it horribly wrong, but we can take satisfaction that we sorted it out. It's ok to acknowledge both without being called a negative bastard.
 
Imagine if we'd just started the game with people in their correct positions.
We'd still have been shite with Coutinho, Firmino, Mane, Lallana, and maaaaaybe Henderson missing.
Tactics were wrong, most our players are not good enough to be able to switch, but our passing in general was piss poor. Origi was infuriating with his obligatory 'don't fight for any long high ball' bollocks as well.
The two Brazilians (and Ming) saved us, and I don't think any switch in formation would have made a difference yesterday without those two or the other attackers missing.
 
Imagine if we'd just started the game with people in their correct positions.

I think you're misreading what people are saying ...

I didn't read the match thread but I assume Hansern meant comments about OOTers, not that people complaining about Klopp's decisions.

The 352 was a mistake but he was trying to accommodate the two teenagers. How would you have started? At worst, we should have been down 2-1 at HT (we should have had a penalty). So despite the fact it wasn't set up well, and our defense looked very very uncomfortable (not to mention Milner at CM, or Clyne as LWB), be doing only 1-0 at half time with those 3 'impact subs' coming on actually played in our favor and by the time Stoke recovered, it was in the ~85th minute and the game had swung. We got lucky - long may it last considering B'mouth.
 
Both Coutinho and Firmino weren't fit enough to start. God knows what's wrong with Sturridge. Add to that the injury problem we already had and you can see why we had to start with a team that normally wouldn't.

I'm happy we bounced back and got three crucial points.

Oh, and Mignolet was terrific. Hopefully he can keep it up.
 
Ming has generally been very good this season. He has had a couple of clangers, but every keeper has those over the course of the season. His distribution is also coming along nicely.
I am not a fan but he definitely deserves praise particularly for his performance yesterday and generally for the improvements in his overall game since he got his place back.
Perhaps he is the type pf player who responds well to the competition for his place in the team.
If I remember correctly last season when he returned from being dropped he had a god spell until he realized that Bogdan was so shite he offered no competition.
 
Imagine if we'd just started the game with people in their correct positions.

Yeah. Things could have been better. But Klopp obviously hoped that Trent and Woodburn would case Stoke more problems than a setup with Lucas i.e. Klopp and his team spend a lot of time working on the setups on training ground but this time we had no time to do it.

We played too many long balls towards origi. He was the veteran leading the line and we failed. It was not down to who played in what position but more how we solved each situation.

But we got as deserved through their goal, used the intervall well and changed the game. Of course some fans can't enjoy it because we could have not som the game, while others appreciate that ever 3 points going forward take is close to the CL.
 
Yeah. Things could have been better. But Klopp obviously hoped that Trent and Woodburn would case Stoke more problems than a setup with Lucas i.e. Klopp and his team spend a lot of time working on the setups on training ground but this time we had no time to do it.

We played too many long balls towards origi. He was the veteran leading the line and we failed. It was not down to who played in what position but more how we solved each situation.

But we got as deserved through their goal, used the intervall well and changed the game. Of course some fans can't enjoy it because we could have not som the game, while others appreciate that ever 3 points going forward take is close to the CL.

Bar Clyne, who was started out of position anyway? Trent has played righ back, right midfield and central midfield. Milner has played as a central midfielder before and Woodburn obviously has played upfront or off the striker before. Loads of people wanted to try Milner in midfield, but I think he looked much better back in his left back position.

It wasnt ideal and it didnt work at all in the first half, but its not like we had Bogdan at left back and Sturridge in goal.
We werent comfortable at all in the beginning and the balance was much better in the second half with the two subs and swap at full back. But this notion that we played several players out of position is bull.
 
Ming has generally been very good this season. He has had a couple of clangers, but every keeper has those over the course of the season. His distribution is also coming along nicely.

I wanted to touch on this, I think he's had a good season and certainly over the last few months he's saved us more than cost us. He's improved massively and I'd be inclined to keep seeing how he gets on.
 
Did anyone else think "Firminoooooooo fantastic goal and WTF DID YOU HAVE TO RIP YOUR SHIRT OFF AND GET ANOTHER BOOKING FOR?". He's got a surprisingly poor record with yellow cards and needs to work on that.
 
Did anyone else think "Firminoooooooo fantastic goal and WTF DID YOU HAVE TO RIP YOUR SHIRT OFF AND GET ANOTHER BOOKING FOR?". He's got a surprisingly poor record with yellow cards and needs to work on that.

Yeah, it was definelty a "WTF not again" moment. But I can forgive him regarding yesterdays emotions. Just dont do it again.
 
He tried hard, but I didn't think he looked that dangerous TBH. It isn't a criticism and I've got hopes for him, but he's got a way to go yet (part of the problem is he can only get in the team playing wide and that isn't his position). Nor did I think it was a peno TBH - there's a definite time lapse between the tackle and Woodburn falling. I don't think it was a dive but I do think he basically just lost his balance.
 
He tried hard, but I didn't think he looked that dangerous TBH. It isn't a criticism and I've got hopes for him, but he's got a way to go yet (part of the problem is he can only get in the team playing wide and that isn't his position). Nor did I think it was a peno TBH - there's a definite time lapse between the tackle and Woodburn falling. I don't think it was a dive but I do think he basically just lost his balance.

I don't think it's really the ideal game, it's good that he came up against bruising players like Shawcross, Walters etc, but he was in a team with zero creativity. It's a bit like when these players come into disjointed lineups in the cup.

It would have been interesting to see him spearhead the attack with the benefit of Firmino and Coutinho around him. We're yet to really see him played in, in the box, to see how composed and predatory he can be. He's only going to get that coming off the bench and playing alongside a team that's going to support him and create opportunities. It's a bit like the stick Lukaku got last week for the derby, if you don't get the ball to your striker and support them, it doesn't matter who they are, they will look clueless at times, if they're left isolated.

As long as he's doing all of the other stuff, like working hard off the ball and pressing, then that's all you can really ask, it's upto the midfield and other attackers to get around the striker and to help make stuff happen.
 
I hope you are right about Woodburn. Having seen the likes of Tommy Smith, Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman and Michael Owen make their first team débuts, however, they had a massive impact so that you knew they were going to be fantastic.
 
I hope you are right about Woodburn. Having seen the likes of Tommy Smith, Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman and Michael Owen make their first team débuts, however, they had a massive impact so that you knew they were going to be fantastic.

Well this is it, he's clearly not a prodigious talent like that, or he's taking longer to show it. The run he went on where he shrugged Johnson off the ball, that was encouraging, he got the ball stuck under his feet a bit which was unfortunate, but he seems to have a maturity about him when he's on the ball, he's fairly composed and knows when to lay it off, he's also delivered some great balls in from wide areas, even if he clearly isn't completely comfortable playing out there. There are good signs technically, I think he just needs to show more of a selfish willingness to be a bit braver and to have a crack at goal. Origi does it and often gets it wrong, but at least he tries to make a yard for himself to have a shot, even if it's often a bit ambitious with better options around him.
 
Origi does it and often gets it wrong, but at least he tries to make a yard for himself to have a shot, even if it's often a bit ambitious with better options around him.

I agree. With most of our opponents packing their defence, we are unlikely to walk the ball into the net. I never criticise any player for having a shot unless there was a glaringly obvious pass available.
 
I really want to see Woodburn further up the pitch, as a proper forward, he's a superb finisher, & unlike in the reserves & under 21's he doesn't get as much time & space to get into scoring situations as often from further back.
 
He looked every inch a 17 year old, outpaced by Shawcross and having to dive to cover lost possession. Hopefully, there's a player there but he annoyed me a bit on Saturday.
Happy to admit that Ming was great, keep it up lad. They should have buried a couple of those chances though.
The first half was a disgrace, a clueless tactical fuck-up of the highest order. Fortunately, sanity prevailed, we brought the regulars on and returned everyone to their normal position and, lo and behold, we nicked it.
 
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