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Neither, that's the point. If we win our next two games we can rest our front three until the final, four days each side of a game is enough rest.
That doesn't make any sense mate. Klopp will rest players for 20 + days in the crucial stages of the season. So rest them now and play them against Rome, Chelsea and Brighton. More than enough to get the points we need as well as qualify for CL final.
Let me put this another way. We are trying to qualify for the CL next season to .... try to win it. This season we have the best chance, and a very realistic one, of that happening in more than a decade .... and people want to risk our top players for a match that ISN'T a Top 4 decider by any means ? Frankly I'm incredulous.
You are making a massive assumption. Klopp won't take that attitude to Roma as he shouldn't. If we can play our strongest side in Rome I think we'll win .. however injuries to any of our Front 3 or our 3 remaining midfielders or VvD or Karius .. and we could be on a high wire.
Poor Klavan seems to buck the general rule that fans exaggerate the capabilities of players when they are out injured. When he was playing fairly regularly at the turn of the year, many were singing his praises saying how well he was doing; then he is out injured for a couple of months and his reputation has returned to the default "total mong"
Good point. Ragnar has been good when called upon. He lack some pace, but read the game well, and he will be up against Crouch so it is not exactly a Formula 1 race out there saturday afternoon.
I'd rather we didn't rest up and instead won the points...
Chelsea have Swansea away as well don't they?? IF we play the early kick-off game and win then Swansea could be looking at a win giving them a pretty much guaranteed safety IF they get a result against Chelsea.
Chelsea have Swansea away as well don't they?? IF we play the early kick-off game and win then Swansea could be looking at a win giving them a pretty much guaranteed safety IF they get a result against Chelsea.
You'd rather disregard our long term prosperity and gamble everything on a cup final? That should make you incredulous. Again, four days rest each side of a game is more than enough, we should only rotate one or two players if they're showing obvious fatigue.
What assumption and what attitude? I'm not suggesting we don't take the Roma game seriously, I'm suggesting that we don't ignore the league, at least not until things are guaranteed. I'd love to see what you guys would have to say once we've missed out on the champions league next season, and lost the final, because thats a very real possibility you seem eager to leave open.
We are obvious not just talking a cup final here. We are talking one of the really big prices in football, and the chance to win it at this stage is probably better than we will have for a long time. We have been in 4 CL semis the last 30 years.
In an ideal situation I would of course agree With go all in on Stoke. But we are not there. Our New year collaps last year was not down to how many days rest we had between isolated games. It was Down to key personell ran out of energy and could not recover.
I back Our fringe players to be good enough to get a result agianst Stoke. I also back Our first team to be good enough to beat Chelsea and Brighton. But I don't back Our fringe players to be good enough to defend the lead in Rome. So for me it is Roma which is the priority between Stoke and Roma if I had to choose. Then again we just have to trust the manager on this.
We are in an ideal situation, we've got plenty of rest between games, and we've been taking players off early, our April 2018 schedule is not close to what our December 2016 schedule was. Playing a full team for the Champions League whilst playing a full strength team with 2 or 3 rotations four days before is completely achievable and what we should do.
Imagine not having secured champions league football and wanting to field a B team in a winnable game which puts us a point away from that goal, ridiculous, and do you not perhaps think the reason we've only made 4 champions league semi finals in the last 30 years is because we've only been in it 10 of those years?
Forget about 4 days rest and think 4 games in 12 days !
And it's not about disregarding long term prosperity .. it's about how often opportunities like this come around (clue : once a decade for us). it doesn't mean we are giving up on Top 4, you are assuming resting players means losing to Stoke - that is another massive (and likely inaccurate) assumption you've made.
We are 4 points from Top 4 even if we lose at Chelsea, and even without our star players we should be able to manage that from 2 home games against Stoke and a full strength team vs. Brighton (and vs Chelsea). considering we were unbeaten at home in the PL this season even when our back 5 was Moreno, Klavan, Lovren, Gomez and Ming (close to what I'm suggesting now).
You would think I was advocating playing the U23 team the way you are bleating on. For me supporters willing to risk winning the CL for a Top 4 slot, which we would likely gain anyway, are showing cowardice. The CL is the pinnacle of the club game and we are 2 games from winning it, nothing should deflect from prioritising it.
6th May Chelsea (A)
13th May Brighton (H)
26th May : Champions League Final
Once in a decade because this is only the second time in a decade we've been in the competition, we need to qualify otherwise everything Klopps been doing is for nothing. I'm making assumptions, but so are you, frankly it's hard to talk about the future without making any, if we lose against Stoke, which is quite likely considering they need to win to stay up, and you want to rest the majority of our first team players, we then have to take four points from Chelsea away and Brighton, thats a situation that we don't need to be in, and frankly we'd be in much better shape for the potential final if we weren't fucking around because we'd been complacent in the weeks before.
4 games in 12 days isn't that much considering the level of rotation we've had and the fact they had a full weeks rest the week prior. The argument here isn't whether we should rotate, it's whether we should rotate for the sake of it which is want you and Insig seem to be suggesting. Again, we should only rotate if we players are fatigued, thankfully thats probably exactly what we'll do, and you'll see TAA, a midfielder, one of the front three rested, and maybe Lovren, which gives us a strong enough team to beat Stoke, without the blatant disregard of our opposition you seem to be suggesting.
My team for Stoke, obviously tweak who's rested based upon what the medics say, win the game, sub the players off, job done (like it should have been last week).
-----------------Karius-----------------
Clyne---VVD---------Klavan--Robertson
-------------Gini---H.Kane-------------
----------Henderson / Milner-------------------
-----Salah------Ings-------Mane
Yep, rest if there's reason too.
But.. is visiting someone on hospital reason enough for being rested and hence risk destroying all we built under Klopp? Was it Peter Hague amputating another hand he visited? Would two missing arms be the reason he stopped posting as well? You are very vague here guys!!!
At least it is at home.
----------------Karius----------------
Clyne---Lovren--VVD---Moreno
-----------------Gini------------------
---------Milner-----U23-------------
Salah-------Solanke------Ings
Gotta keep Salah going to break the scoring record. Rest Hendo and the full backs. Milner is a machine. Gini hasn't played much of late. Mane & Firmino get a rest.
boom
----------------Karius----------------
Clyne---Lovren--VVD---Moreno
-----------------Gini------------------
---------Milner-----U23-------------
Salah-------Solanke------Ings
Gotta keep Salah going to break the scoring record. Rest Hendo and the full backs. Milner is a machine. Gini hasn't played much of late. Mane & Firmino get a rest.
boom
Swansea away could be a tricky one for Chelsea. We don't want them having the confidence boost of us slipping up.
I'd only be comfortable resting one of the front three. I haven't seen enough from Ings or Solanke to make me think we'd be effective with both of them in the team.
I've seen more than enough from both to know we wouldn't in that formation.
Fuck it. Just win the CL and we're in it next season anyway.
It seems that Mane will be rested, so Firmino and Salah will have to start
He has done nothing wrong since coming back to cover. I have no problem with him coming in on Saturday.
Any hope of Can getting a game before the season's end?
They said middle of May. Last game against Brighton is 13. So probably not that one. And then knowing he need a few games to get up to speed so probably not the Real game either.
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