Yeah apart from that bit, silly old Vlad.
Steven Gerrard
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I think that we have a leadership problem on the field. Gerrard shouldn't be the captain any more but no-one else clearly deserves that role/honor either. I used to to think it would be Reina as a natural successor to Gerrard but his overall play has been sub par for at least 12 months. He had a good game today though and I hope he builds on this.
Who else could it be? Agger? Suárez? Allen? By doing this it would kick Gerrard up the arse and make him droppable -just like Hyypia. Gerrard should not be immune to the inevitability of this move. I think it might change the dynamic of the team for the better
Who else could it be? Agger? Suárez? Allen? By doing this it would kick Gerrard up the arse and make him droppable -just like Hyypia. Gerrard should not be immune to the inevitability of this move. I think it might change the dynamic of the team for the better
I didn't say he was not high up on my list, just not as high as he is on others.
When you have seen people like, Clemence, Keegan, Thompson, Hughes, Souness, Dalglish, Rush, Hansen, Lawrsenson, Barnes, make their débuts and finish their time with us, it gives one a lot more choice. I am not saying all those are rated higher by the way, just pointing out I am an old twat that has seen a lot of Liverpool players come and go 🙂
When you have seen people like, Clemence, Keegan, Thompson, Hughes, Souness, Dalglish, Rush, Hansen, Lawrsenson, Barnes, make their débuts and finish their time with us, it gives one a lot more choice. I am not saying all those are rated higher by the way, just pointing out I am an old twat that has seen a lot of Liverpool players come and go 🙂
He should be free to play wherever he likes alongside Suarez and Sterling. Those two get fuck all chances created for them, Gerrard solves that overnight. But instead we have to sit through Downing, Cole, Henderson, Shelvey, Suso, Assaidi, Borini, and who the fuck next? Morgan? Fuck me. Rodgers seriously needs to stop fucking around now, the number of draws is becoming ridiculous.
I put Gerrard ahead of Hughes in my two man all time central mid. Souness and Gerrard for me and, it has to be said, a lot of those players on that list played with much better team mates and managers. Doesn't stop them being top class of course.
I lived through all those though I didn't watch the debut of Thompson, Hughes or Keegan. Unfortunately I only really watched with intent Keegan's last two years. Still one of my favourite players - as much for the work he put into exploiting his talent as for what he did on the field - and badly underestimated IMO.
So, at the risk of turning this thread into another debate on where Gerrard sits in the all time list Vlad, where do you place him in that lot? In all honesty I only see Souness and Dalglish in the same bracket. Barnes, more brilliant than any of them on his day, also had many an average game which seems to be conveniently forgotten by those who claim he was the greatest ever. Don't get me wrong, he's the best winger I've seen in a red shirt but he didn't bring those youtube videos to every match.
Gerrard's been poor and he can and should do better.
I do wonder however if his form is due to Rodgers' insistence on playing him in a withdrawn role in midfield. Rafa got the best of Gerrard by playing him higher up the pitch. Rodgers' insistence on playing him and Allen in the withdrawn midfield roles prevents them from doing what they do best. Coupled with average players like Henderson playing in the advanced role, it's no wonder that we are struggling.
I do wonder however if his form is due to Rodgers' insistence on playing him in a withdrawn role in midfield. Rafa got the best of Gerrard by playing him higher up the pitch. Rodgers' insistence on playing him and Allen in the withdrawn midfield roles prevents them from doing what they do best. Coupled with average players like Henderson playing in the advanced role, it's no wonder that we are struggling.
It is. The way it's been portrayed is anyway. I do think it's sad to see the decline of our captain, but then you know. People were shouting for him to come off yesterday, but then he played (immediately) that defense splitting pass down the right which was the pass of the game.
I hope my posts didn't come off that way - I didn't mean it like that if I did ... It's Gerrard - as Sunny says, he owes us nothing.
I meant more about the initial post, that was enough for me. He is Gerrard, he deserves respect, there's nothing wrong with saying his place in the side should be under threat though, I have no issue with that at all, he's played quite poorly for most of the season, so in the games where he's having little effect, it shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that he can come off and be replaced by Suso/Shelvey or whoever. He's still a great player though and his ability for an inspired pass and a good delivery is second to none.
As said though, he owes us nothing, he's stayed through years of mediocrity and carried us through many of them, so to sit here now calling him a moany, lazy whatever is a bit rich. Anyone who's played will know that when you're physically not at your best (and he clearly hasn't been since that groin injury), it's difficult to do all the closing down, tackling back, and it's even harder to possess the ease of movement and ability to turn that you may of once had (as we saw with the needless back heal - a few years ago he'd have turned and shimmied the player). You find yourself subconsciously preserving your energy and compensating for whatever problem you're having, it has a detrimental effect on your play. I think that's pretty clear watching him at the moment, the career threatening injury that he had has taken it out of him, big time.
But why not, Mark?
Even Gerrard is not immune to being subbed when he's not playing well.
True, but at the moment I don't think we have anyone to bring on who would have more impact than even an under-performing Gerrard?
Course he's not, as I said in my second post, he doesn't deserve flack for being lazy and mouthy, I haven't see much of the latter of late and I think he's clearly struggling, which can be misinterpreted for something like being lazy.
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spot on
I love him, great player, great servant ... but it's time he earns his starting spot. Unless we push him further up, he's not good enough on current form to play in this midfield 3.
Who is?
I don't think he's been that bad. It's not saying much, but he's been way better than Allen and Henderson for weeks now.
Nobody should be dishing out insults to Gerrard. Without him supporting this club would be a pretty miserable experience over the last decade.
Nobody should be dishing out insults to Gerrard. Without him supporting this club would be a pretty miserable experience over the last decade.
Hes been shit all season bar one or two games.
He's a legend, one of our greatest ever - that's not up for debate. What is up for debate is what he's offering us now and lets be honest here, it's not very much.
Let him sit it out for a few weeks and give Shelvey a go. What's the harm in that?
On the one hand we've people bigging up Shelvey saying hes the future but when it comes to him replacing the out of sorts and jaded, Gerrard "ohhh jesus you can't be doing that", "look what Stevie's done for us", "you're a disgrace for even suggesting it" bladdy bladdy bla.
I'm a bit loathed to criticise Gerrard. Not just because he's a ledge and all that but because the pressure on him to deliver is just as great, if not greater, than it ever was. With one or two exceptions he must look at the rest of them and think "fuck me, when is someone going to do something?"
It's no wonder he tries to force it so often, he's probably more bored playing it than he would be watching it.
It's no wonder he tries to force it so often, he's probably more bored playing it than he would be watching it.
Bingo.
We're currently playing with a 3 man midfield that isn't working at all. Right? Why are we leaving it the same? If he's playing poorly, why not drop him for a game? Do you think because his reputation and because he's our most capable passer etc, he should play every game despite his form?
I'd start the next match with Henderson as DM, Shelvey and Allen further up the pitch.
Bingo.
The Gerrard situation (if there even is one) is a bit of a contradiction in terms. Yes he is being sloppy with his passing and he can be accused of being half hearted in the tackle but he is still performing as good as his fellow midfielders. I hope he pulls up his socks as I'd love a sharper Gerrard, the match winner we know, because we need him. At the moment he seems lethargic, demotivated and frustrated. He needs a rest every now and again and it's sad that after all this time he still feels the need to try and act as Superman for us. The problem is some of his basic passing and decisions aren't coming off in the last few games so we suffer as a team as a result.
I feel sorry for Gerrard. The onus is on him to force it at times since Suarez is the only other player capable of creating something out of nothing. He seems to be in a rut but hopefully we can move him further up the pitch with the return of dare I also say it, Wonderman.
In a perfect footballing world, I'd be all in favour of Gerrard acting as a soldier in the death by football war but we aren't causing death by football on the big green battlefield just yet so i'll cut him some slack.
I feel sorry for Gerrard. The onus is on him to force it at times since Suarez is the only other player capable of creating something out of nothing. He seems to be in a rut but hopefully we can move him further up the pitch with the return of dare I also say it, Wonderman.
In a perfect footballing world, I'd be all in favour of Gerrard acting as a soldier in the death by football war but we aren't causing death by football on the big green battlefield just yet so i'll cut him some slack.
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