Soldado v Aspas

[localny]

Who's going to get more goals next season - since That london shower are our rivals, or so we say!

Last year in La Liga
Aspas 2012–13 La Liga 33apps 12 league goals 3 cup goals

Soldado 2012–13 La Liga 35 apps 24 goals, 6 cup goals.

Mitchu shows you never can tell how it shapes up but, right now Spurs are shopping in Harrods, and we're at Tescos. What's your tally for the season for both? You win tee shirt, autographed, If ou predict both accurately. Looking for league and cup tallies.

 

[Fabio]

Arsenal?

What?

 

[Modo]

Soldado will play upfront and get more goals, I think.

 

[Skullflower]

soldado is a lot better so he'll do better.

 

[Rafiagra]

Soldado has signed for Spurs btw.

 

[localny]

Edit fixed. Getting confused. Totals please

 

[Modo]

Sturridge will outscore both of them.

 

[LarryHagman]

The Spurs one.

 

[Frogfish]

Sturridge will outscore both of them.

This would not surprise me in the slightest.

 

[rurikbird]

I predict Soldado will flop in England.

 

[Squiggles]

Haven't seen much of Soldado, but Aspas has impressed me with his movement, touch and finishing.

I'd expect 12-14 league goals from him this year, but his adaptability may hinder this.

 

[rurikbird]

Also it's not a fair comparison because Soldado doesn't do much except score, whereas Aspas is a much more versatile player. Soldado might still score more, but I don't think he will be anywhere as prolific as he was in Spain.

 

[Ryan]

Soldado V Sturridge would be a better discussion.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Soldaldo will be a classic no 9, get more game time, get more game time up front leading the line, is a better finisher and has more attacking talent to create chances for him.

So its a very 1 sided comparison.

Soldaldo by a signicant distance(baring injury)

 

[Judge Jules]

I predict Soldado will flop in England.

For what reason(s)?

 

[dantes]

For what reason(s)?

Because of the way he plays, or the position of the pitch he plays in. He doesn't score from outside the box. At 28 years old he isn't going to be running into the box to get on the end of things. It's only a matter of time before he gets flattened by a defender and spends the season on the injury table.

 

[rurikbird]

For same reasons Morientes flopped.

 

[juniormember]

I think Soldano is a hell of a lot better as a goal scorer than Morientes.
In fact I just checked.
In the three seasons prior to joining an english club their league record reads:
Morientes
Played: 42
Scored: 10

Soldano
Played: 101
Scored: 59

It's not even a comparison.

 

[mark1975]

He reminds me a bit of RVN, rather than Morientes.

 

[Mors]

I think over the same amount of minutes, Aspas will have a better average. I don't think he'll get anywhere near the amount of game time that Soldado will get. That is unless he's el cunto's replacement.....

 

[Skullflower]

Michael owen basically just said soldado is shit (he played with him at Madrid)

 

[keniget]

Michael owen basically just said soldado is shit (he played with him at Madrid)

Well, Soldado was a reserve player back then so that's unsurprising. He also kinda intimated that Enrique was a bit shit when he played with him at Newcastle.

So in summary, Owen is a snipey cunt.

 

[Skullflower]

Well, Soldado was a reserve player back then so that's unsurprising. He also kinda intimated that Enrique was a bit shit when he played with him at Newcastle.

So in summary, Owen is a snipey cunt.

a very very boring snipey cunt.

 

[rurikbird]

I think Soldano is a hell of a lot better as a goal scorer than Morientes.
In fact I just checked.
In the three seasons prior to joining an english club their league record reads:
Morientes
Played: 42
Scored: 10

Soldano
Played: 101
Scored: 59

It's not even a comparison.

Where did you get your stats from? Morientes joined Liverpool in 04/05, here are his league scoring stats for the previous 3 seasons:
01/02 - 18 goals in 25 starts and 5 sub appearances (Real)
02/03 - 5 goals in 3 starts and 15 sub appearances (Real)
03/04 - 10 goals in 26 starts and 2 sub appearances (Monaco)

He also scored 12 goals in 21 Champions League games during that time. Overall, if you add up all league, UCL and national team goals, it adds up to 53 goals in 83 starts and 31 sub appearances in those 3 seasons.

Source:
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/9610/fernando-sanchez-morientes?cc=5901

If anything, Morientes had better stats and a much better pedigree as a player (3 time UCL winner and regular starter for his national team) than Soldado. RVN? Not even close.

 

[juniormember]

From Wiki:

 

[juniormember]

Where did you get your stats from? Morientes joined Liverpool in 04/05, here are his league scoring stats for the previous 3 seasons:
01/02 - 18 goals in 25 starts and 5 sub appearances (Real)
02/03 - 5 goals in 3 starts and 15 sub appearances (Real)
03/04 - 10 goals in 26 starts and 2 sub appearances (Monaco)

He also scored 12 goals in 21 Champions League games during that time. Overall, if you add up all league, UCL and national team goals, it adds up to 53 goals in 83 starts and 31 sub appearances in those 3 seasons.

Source:
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/9610/fernando-sanchez-morientes?cc=5901

If anything, Morientes had better stats and a much better pedigree as a player (3 time UCL winner and regular starter for his national team) than Soldado. RVN? Not even close.

Yeah, got the Real stat mixed up (04-05).
Either way, it's a prolific striker versus a not so prolific one.

 

[rurikbird]

So you only used the last season before joining Liverpool instead of the last three and counted Real sub appearances (most of them very late subs as he was basically frozen out of the team by then) as full games. That made the stat seem much worse than the reality. The real stat is 53 goals in 83 starts (114 appearances overall) from 01/02 to 03/04. Morientes WAS prolific in Spain and remained sort of prolific there even after his return from Liverpool (19 goals for Valencia in his first season back). But he was too slow and too dependent on service to make it in England.

I think it's quite likely the same will happen to Soldado. Unless AVB does a much better job integrating him into the team than Rafa did with Nando. But really, they are the same type of striker - only Morientes was a bit more classy by virtue of playing and winning with the biggest superstars of that era.

 

[localny]

Why did Morientes fail? Was it the slowness? That one step behind? So many sitters missed I remember..

 

[juniormember]

So you only used the last season before joining Liverpool instead of the last three and counted Real sub appearances (most of them very late subs as he was basically frozen out of the team by then) as full games. That made the stat seem much worse than the reality. The real stat is 53 goals in 83 starts (114 appearances overall) from 01/02 to 03/04. Morientes WAS prolific in Spain and remained sort of prolific there even after his return from Liverpool (19 goals for Valencia in his first season back). But he was too slow and too dependent on service to make it in England.

I think it's quite likely the same will happen to Soldado. Unless AVB does a much better job integrating him into the team than Rafa did with Nando. But really, they are the same type of striker - only Morientes was a bit more classy by virtue of playing and winning with the biggest superstars of that era.

I said 3 seasons, as that seems reasonable enough to figure out a player's form.
60 appearances, 15 goals.

 

[rurikbird]

OK, you did say 3, but you actually counted only last 1.5 (03/04 and 1st half of 04/05 before he came to Liverpool in January of 05), where the appearance stats are hopelessly skewed by the late substitute appearances for Real in his last half-season with them and also doesn't count the Champions League goals for Monaco (where he became the CL top scorer). This kind of use of statistic doesn't give a fair assessment of the player.