I can't be the only person who delights in watching spiderneil using phrases like 'strategic marketing'
So has Parry actually gone?
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33734.msg874663#msg874663 date=1243257794]
I can't be the only person who delights in watching spiderneil using phrases like 'strategic marketing'
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we aim to please bren. 🙂
I can't be the only person who delights in watching spiderneil using phrases like 'strategic marketing'
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we aim to please bren. 🙂
'We'?
We are spiderneil, and we are legion
We are spiderneil, and we are legion
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33734.msg874675#msg874675 date=1243258174]
'We'?
We are spiderneil, and we are legion
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how do you think I got to 8,000 plus posts so quickly? Although we have a long way to go to catch up to you 😉
'We'?
We are spiderneil, and we are legion
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how do you think I got to 8,000 plus posts so quickly? Although we have a long way to go to catch up to you 😉
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[quote author=juniormember link=topic=33734.msg874652#msg874652 date=1243257101]
I know first hand how shite and unwilling he was in capitalising on global marketing, particularly in a specific part of Asia (where there's lots of money).
He was shite at his job and I'm glad he's off. I sincerely hope his replacement won't be some thick cunt from one of the Gillet/Hicks family though.
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He was not shite at his job.
He wasnt as forward thinking as some CEO's, but still did a better job than about 95% of CEO's in this country did over a similar period.
LFC was a relic in terms of marketing & brand image when he took over, he dragged us into the modern era & gave us, amongst other things, the website recognised by most as the most innovative & best club site on the net.
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If he was player he'd be in the Crouch mould.
Decent and capable at times, but prone to fuck ups and ultimately not good enough.
He did an adequate job, but let's face it, under him we fell further behind Man Ure, etc, so you can't consider him a massive success.
I don't dislike the guy, but I can't help thinking, despite his best intentions, he was part of the problem.
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=33734.msg874652#msg874652 date=1243257101]
I know first hand how shite and unwilling he was in capitalising on global marketing, particularly in a specific part of Asia (where there's lots of money).
He was shite at his job and I'm glad he's off. I sincerely hope his replacement won't be some thick cunt from one of the Gillet/Hicks family though.
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He was not shite at his job.
He wasnt as forward thinking as some CEO's, but still did a better job than about 95% of CEO's in this country did over a similar period.
LFC was a relic in terms of marketing & brand image when he took over, he dragged us into the modern era & gave us, amongst other things, the website recognised by most as the most innovative & best club site on the net.
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If he was player he'd be in the Crouch mould.
Decent and capable at times, but prone to fuck ups and ultimately not good enough.
He did an adequate job, but let's face it, under him we fell further behind Man Ure, etc, so you can't consider him a massive success.
I don't dislike the guy, but I can't help thinking, despite his best intentions, he was part of the problem.
Did Rick convince Gerrard? Who on earth was it who delayed sorting out his contract extension for so long in 2005 that Gerrard felt 'unloved'? Did Parry have no role in that? It seemed like a classic Parry problem - taking the eye off the ball, allowing dangers to develop and then reacting belatedly without much sense of purpose.
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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33734.msg874707#msg874707 date=1243259695]
Did Rick convince Gerrard? Who on earth was it who delayed sorting out his contract extension for so long in 2005 that Gerrard felt 'unloved'? Did Parry have no role in that? It seemed like a classic Parry problem - taking the eye off the ball, allowing dangers to develop and then reacting belatedly without much sense of purpose.
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My thoughts as well to be honest.
Did Rick convince Gerrard? Who on earth was it who delayed sorting out his contract extension for so long in 2005 that Gerrard felt 'unloved'? Did Parry have no role in that? It seemed like a classic Parry problem - taking the eye off the ball, allowing dangers to develop and then reacting belatedly without much sense of purpose.
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My thoughts as well to be honest.
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the only good thing he did was sign Benitez.
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....and signing Torres for a steal.
the only good thing he did was sign Benitez.
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....and signing Torres for a steal.
£26 mill's worth of "steal", and a player who had set his heart on coming. It's true that the fee was still less than it might have been, and Parry does deserve some credit for that, but let's not go overboard here.
Ok.
And negotiating the transfers of Reina, Alonso, Agger, Skittles...........
While not going overboard, let's not claim his ONLY fucking contribution was getting Benitez.
And negotiating the transfers of Reina, Alonso, Agger, Skittles...........
While not going overboard, let's not claim his ONLY fucking contribution was getting Benitez.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33734.msg874805#msg874805 date=1243268111]
Ok.
And negotiating the transfers of Reina, Alonso, Agger, Skittles...........
While not going overboard, let's not claim his ONLY fucking contribution was getting Benitez.
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For me his biggest contribution was bringing in the Americans and the impact of that cannot be underestimated. Thanks Rick.
Ok.
And negotiating the transfers of Reina, Alonso, Agger, Skittles...........
While not going overboard, let's not claim his ONLY fucking contribution was getting Benitez.
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For me his biggest contribution was bringing in the Americans and the impact of that cannot be underestimated. Thanks Rick.
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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33734.msg874707#msg874707 date=1243259695]
Did Rick convince Gerrard? Who on earth was it who delayed sorting out his contract extension for so long in 2005 that Gerrard felt 'unloved'? Did Parry have no role in that? It seemed like a classic Parry problem - taking the eye off the ball, allowing dangers to develop and then reacting belatedly without much sense of purpose.
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My thoughts as well to be honest.
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The contract was initially delayed, but people seem happy to assume that was down to Parry and Parry alone, there could, and probably were, other factors involved. I know that Gerrard said it was a lengthy late night phone call with Parry that eventually convinced him to stay.
People are just happy to pin everything that goes wrong on Parry, with little or no reason to think it's the case.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33734.msg874707#msg874707 date=1243259695]
Did Rick convince Gerrard? Who on earth was it who delayed sorting out his contract extension for so long in 2005 that Gerrard felt 'unloved'? Did Parry have no role in that? It seemed like a classic Parry problem - taking the eye off the ball, allowing dangers to develop and then reacting belatedly without much sense of purpose.
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My thoughts as well to be honest.
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The contract was initially delayed, but people seem happy to assume that was down to Parry and Parry alone, there could, and probably were, other factors involved. I know that Gerrard said it was a lengthy late night phone call with Parry that eventually convinced him to stay.
People are just happy to pin everything that goes wrong on Parry, with little or no reason to think it's the case.
Parry did some good stuff during his tenure and I don't think he can be blamed for the new stadium debacle because the big issue there has always been funding and not even his fiercest critic could blame him for the banking crisis and the subsequent global recession. And securing funds of course was the biggest single factor in opening the doors to the Yanks...a decision most people welcomed at the time so again, I'm loathe to be too harsh on him for that.
My biggest problem with him concerns his handling of our transfer and contract negotiations. Everything just seemed to take so long and so much of it was being negotiated through the media which was never 'The Liverpool Way'.
My biggest problem with him concerns his handling of our transfer and contract negotiations. Everything just seemed to take so long and so much of it was being negotiated through the media which was never 'The Liverpool Way'.
That's a fair assessment John. Whilst he had his faults, he was hardly the bumbling nincompoop some would have you believe.
Parry was Chief Executive when Gerrard was reduced to asking the club to get on with things via TV. I don't care who else may or may not have been involved - HE was the one whose primary responsibility it was to avoid that farcical situation from ever beginning. What else should we assume - that such a figure should have a sign on his desk saying 'The buck may or may not stop here but we must speculate that it could stop somewhere else if we feel sorry for me'? What next - a pat on the back for bankers who were just a bit slow to realise they were making a hash of things? A cash prize for any MP who suddenly realised that some might have been fiddling expenses for a couple of decades?
Poor Stevie having to wait for his contract. Bless.
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Poor Stevie having to wait for his contract. Bless.
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Probably not that far from Parry's exact sentiments at the time.
Fact of the matter is that you don't let your starplayer wait or grow discontent. No matter how much money he's earning or not. It's a matter of principable and making players feel needed and wanted.
I don't understand why anyone would make excuses for him in that given situation? He probably wasn't the only culprit mind but because of his position within the club he's always the one who's going to take the blame.
He's probably done loads of good for the club I don't doubt that at all but that incident (along a few others recently) stood out as incredibly bad management. Nothing against the man that's just how I see it.
Poor Stevie having to wait for his contract. Bless.
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Probably not that far from Parry's exact sentiments at the time.
Fact of the matter is that you don't let your starplayer wait or grow discontent. No matter how much money he's earning or not. It's a matter of principable and making players feel needed and wanted.
I don't understand why anyone would make excuses for him in that given situation? He probably wasn't the only culprit mind but because of his position within the club he's always the one who's going to take the blame.
He's probably done loads of good for the club I don't doubt that at all but that incident (along a few others recently) stood out as incredibly bad management. Nothing against the man that's just how I see it.
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33734.msg874842#msg874842 date=1243270876]
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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Poor Liverpool, waiting for the best part of two years for Owen's agent to not agree a contract. Bless. Viva incompetence!
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Yep I agree with that one Macca. After their strong statement that any player with two years left on their contract would be sold if they didn't sign a new one, then Owen should have been off-loaded sooner. I guess they thought they'd never have to implement that strategy except for the shite they wanted rid of.
Poor Liverpool, waiting for the best part of two years for Owen's agent to not agree a contract. Bless. Viva incompetence!
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Yep I agree with that one Macca. After their strong statement that any player with two years left on their contract would be sold if they didn't sign a new one, then Owen should have been off-loaded sooner. I guess they thought they'd never have to implement that strategy except for the shite they wanted rid of.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33734.msg874842#msg874842 date=1243270876]
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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So the fact Gerrard has an ego the size of Jupiter is Parry's fault?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33734.msg874842#msg874842 date=1243270876]
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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So the fact Gerrard has an ego the size of Jupiter is Parry's fault?
I don't have any time for an 'either/or' argument like 'either Parry was completely incompetant or great at his job'. Both positions are clearly simplistic and unhelpful. What I find objectionable is any attempt to suggest he was good enough. This wasn't just any old job. It was a huge job. To do it responsibly you have to do it exceptionally well. The stakes are very high. Parry did okay. That was nowhere near good enough.
Whether or not Stevie has a gigantic ego, we needed to act quickly and decisively enough to head off the trouble which eventually blew up when the Chavs were messing with his head. We failed to do so and, whether or not that was Parry's own omission (though who else's would it have been?), either way it was his responsibility as CEO.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33734.msg874842#msg874842 date=1243270876]
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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So the fact Gerrard has an ego the size of Jupiter is Parry's fault?
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No?
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33734.msg874842#msg874842 date=1243270876]
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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So the fact Gerrard has an ego the size of Jupiter is Parry's fault?
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No?
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33734.msg874842#msg874842 date=1243270876]
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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So the fact Gerrard has an ego the size of Jupiter is Parry's fault?
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No?
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Oh. So you're giving Parry some credit?
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33734.msg874842#msg874842 date=1243270876]
Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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So the fact Gerrard has an ego the size of Jupiter is Parry's fault?
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No?
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Oh. So you're giving Parry some credit?
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the_khl
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Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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So the fact Gerrard has an ego the size of Jupiter is Parry's fault?
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No?
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Oh. So you're giving Parry some credit?
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I did that many a post ago mate.
In the Gerrard-case mind I don't think there's much credit to hand out to the CEO in charge at the time.
You're constructing excuses for Parry claiming that it was not his fault but the sheer ego of Gerrard.
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Was there ever any talk of Gerrard not being offered a contract?
So because he wasn't offered one immediately, because he wasn't treated as the centre of the universe, because his ego wasn't massaged, he threw a hissy fit and decided to leave his boyhood club, the club he was captain of, the club he had just guided to a European Cup triumph to teach them a lesson, to prove Steven Gerrard was not to be messed with. I think Gerrard came out of that episode looking like a big spoilt brat.
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He probably did.
But aren't most multi-millionaire young footballers a bit spoilt-brat-ish now and then? It's all about how you address them in my book.
Imagine if Parry hadn't swallowed his pride (or whatever he did that eventually convinced Stevie to stay) then we would've been in a right pickle, beeing set back for years really.
What comfort would 'Stevie acted like a spoilt brat'-excuses give us now?
None whatsoever.
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So the fact Gerrard has an ego the size of Jupiter is Parry's fault?
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No?
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Oh. So you're giving Parry some credit?
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I did that many a post ago mate.
In the Gerrard-case mind I don't think there's much credit to hand out to the CEO in charge at the time.
You're constructing excuses for Parry claiming that it was not his fault but the sheer ego of Gerrard.
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