So Dithering old Hodgson didn't have much to do with Cole signing..

[mark1975]

ok...

"We've got a good squad and even without everyone back yet, we've got a lot of quality here."

He continued: "I spoke to the gaffer and Christian, but I think the size of the club (convinced me to come) - it's immense.

"I also spoke to Stevie, Carra and Jonno and I'm just excited about the future of the club. To be able to come here and put on a Liverpool shirt makes it exciting times for me."

Cole also had words of praise for new boss Roy Hodgson and intimated that the appointment of the former Fulham manager was another factor in his decision to join the Reds.

"I'm excited to work with Roy," he said. "He's shown in the last two and half years what a fantastic manager he is - and that's following on from everything else he has done in his career. It was important I went to a club where I felt the manager wanted me.

"I'm chomping at the bit, I just want to get going now."

 

[LarryHagman]

Chomping or Champing?

 

[localny]

Roy has played a blinder.

Torres returning - check
Gerrard Staying - check
Exciting new signings - check
Big name signing - surely on the way when Mascharano goes...

Off the field, played a blinder. Now let's see the results!

To quote Robin Williams, Good Will Hunting, I'm hooked, I'm in...

 

[Farkmaster]

[quote author=localny link=topic=41168.msg1143766#msg1143766 date=1280293059]
Roy has played a blinder.
[/quote]

Torres returning - Hodgson had nothing to do with, as he himself said
Gerrard Staying - there wasn't massive interest by Gerrard, or other parties
Exciting new signings - there haven't been any. You can honestly tell me we've signed someone that is going to markedly improve how we play, or fix the issues we saw last year?
Big name signing - surely on the way when Mascherano goes. Yes, that's right, we'll replace a known good with an unknown good. That's not progress.

Thus far Hodgson hasn't done much of anything, and if he can optimize what we've got, hustle with no money, and achieve good results, much of it will depend on how he some how rectifies the massive hole in our midfield, shortly after making it even bigger.

Thus far, there isn't much of anything to smile about this summer.

So we've kept Torres, oh goodie. If we don't make fourth this year, he'll be gone, no question, and it'll be three seasons in a row of losing our best players, and another year slowly taking away the one who probably will hang around.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41168.msg1143770#msg1143770 date=1280294143]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41168.msg1143766#msg1143766 date=1280293059]
Roy has played a blinder.
[/quote]

Torres returning - Hodgson had nothing to do with, as he himself said
Gerrard Staying - there wasn't massive interest by Gerrard, or other parties
Exciting new signings - there haven't been any. You can honestly tell me we've signed someone that is going to markedly improve how we play, or fix the issues we saw last year?
Big name signing - surely on the way when Mascherano goes. Yes, that's right, we'll replace a known good with an unknown good. That's not progress.

Thus far Hodgson hasn't done much of anything, and if he can optimize what we've got, hustle with no money, and achieve good results, much of it will depend on how he some how rectifies the massive hole in our midfield, shortly after making it even bigger.

[/quote]

Fast forward: May 2011
League Champions: Liverpool FC
Comment from Farkmaster: "Hodgson had nothing to do with it. We won thanks to Gerrard, Torres and Cole. Sammy Lee was instrumental with his off the pitch motivating and Purslow kept our main squad intact."

😉

 

[mark1975]

Farky - while I think saying he's 'played a blinder' is stretching it, he's probably done more than expected so far.

Masher was going anyway and he was quick to get in there to speak to all players as soon as he could. He's been honest about most situations and been coy when needed - he's shown his experience.

Regards Cole, you've made it clear you're not as sold as most on the idea, but the fact remains we've brought in an experienced English international who's won almost everything, including the much coveted league title we all crave..

Whatever problems you've outlined, most were there to begin with, so taking away any credit from roy for how he's dealt with those issues whilst attempting to lay partial blame at his door is being overly negative, and unfair in all honesty. He's made the most of a delicate situation and so far its gone as good as we could have hoped for. Better even.

 

[Farkmaster]

[quote author=Modokay link=topic=41168.msg1143771#msg1143771 date=1280294408]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41168.msg1143770#msg1143770 date=1280294143]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41168.msg1143766#msg1143766 date=1280293059]
Roy has played a blinder.
[/quote]

Torres returning - Hodgson had nothing to do with, as he himself said
Gerrard Staying - there wasn't massive interest by Gerrard, or other parties
Exciting new signings - there haven't been any. You can honestly tell me we've signed someone that is going to markedly improve how we play, or fix the issues we saw last year?
Big name signing - surely on the way when Mascherano goes. Yes, that's right, we'll replace a known good with an unknown good. That's not progress.

Thus far Hodgson hasn't done much of anything, and if he can optimize what we've got, hustle with no money, and achieve good results, much of it will depend on how he some how rectifies the massive hole in our midfield, shortly after making it even bigger.

[/quote]

Fast forward: May 2011
League Champions: Liverpool FC
Comment from Farkmaster: "Hodgson had nothing to do with it. We won thanks to Gerrard, Torres and Cole. Sammy Lee was instrumental with his off the pitch motivating and Purslow kept our main squad intact."

😉
[/quote]

So you honestly think that
1) We've got a chance in hell of winning the league unless we are taken over in the next week or two
2) If we did win the league, I wouldn't give Roy Hodgson credit.

Just wait a couple weeks and see what happens.

Sorry, I mean, we've got Joe Cole.

I honestly think Jovanovic will make more of an impact, given that he actually fills a couple positions we require filling, rather than just being a like for like replacement for an outgoing player.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=41168.msg1143763#msg1143763 date=1280292724]

Chomping or Champing?



[/quote]

I'd get used to that with Joe. Tomorrow he'll be "keen as custard".

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41168.msg1143778#msg1143778 date=1280295228]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=41168.msg1143771#msg1143771 date=1280294408]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41168.msg1143770#msg1143770 date=1280294143]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41168.msg1143766#msg1143766 date=1280293059]
Roy has played a blinder.
[/quote]

Torres returning - Hodgson had nothing to do with, as he himself said
Gerrard Staying - there wasn't massive interest by Gerrard, or other parties
Exciting new signings - there haven't been any. You can honestly tell me we've signed someone that is going to markedly improve how we play, or fix the issues we saw last year?
Big name signing - surely on the way when Mascherano goes. Yes, that's right, we'll replace a known good with an unknown good. That's not progress.

Thus far Hodgson hasn't done much of anything, and if he can optimize what we've got, hustle with no money, and achieve good results, much of it will depend on how he some how rectifies the massive hole in our midfield, shortly after making it even bigger.

[/quote]

Fast forward: May 2011
League Champions: Liverpool FC
Comment from Farkmaster: "Hodgson had nothing to do with it. We won thanks to Gerrard, Torres and Cole. Sammy Lee was instrumental with his off the pitch motivating and Purslow kept our main squad intact."

😉
[/quote]

So you honestly think that
1) We've got a chance in hell of winning the league unless we are taken over in the next week or two
2) If we did win the league, I wouldn't give Roy Hodgson credit.

Just wait a couple weeks and see what happens.

Sorry, I mean, we've got Joe Cole.

I honestly think Jovanovic will make more of an impact, given that he actually fills a couple positions we require filling, rather than just being a like for like replacement for an outgoing player.
[/quote]

I wasn't being serious. I'm not expecting us to win the league and I'm definitely not serious in claiming that you wouldn't give the gaffer any credit.
I'm just a bit perplexed over your lack of faith in our managers work. We shouldn't be over the moon regarding Cole but it's nevertheless an exciting acquisition.
I'm not sure about Jovanovic, I've only seen him in the world cup and he looked OK.

 

[Farkmaster]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41168.msg1143776#msg1143776 date=1280295207]
Farky - while I think saying he's 'played a blinder' is stretching it, he's probably done more than expected so far.

Masher was going anyway and he was quick to get in there to speak to all players as soon as he could. He's been honest about most situations and been coy when needed - he's shown his experience.

Regards Cole, you've made it clear you're not as sold as most on the idea, but the fact remains we've brought in an experienced English international who's won almost everything, including the much coveted league title we all crave..

Whatever problems you've outlined, most were there to begin with, so taking away any credit from roy for how he's dealt with those issues whilst attempting to lay partial blame at his door is being overly negative, and unfair in all honesty. He's made the most of a delicate situation and so far its gone as good as we could have hoped for. Better even.
[/quote]


I'm not attempting to lay blame at Hodgson's door. He's here exactly to make the best of a bad situation, and I've never said otherwise. I'm simply saying that the main things he has to resolve with the transfer ins and outs are still yet to be resolved. Even if I gave a shit about us having Cole, and thought he'd make a difference, a bad midfield replacement for Mascherano would set us back further than any incremental improvement Cole will provide.

 

[Frogfish]

No matter what spin you put on it the manger in charge of the team will have some influence on players' decisions to stay / leave / come to Anfield. Regardless of whether the manager has spoken to them or not (and Roy HAD spoken to Torres before yesterday) it will influence a player's decision. Would Masher now be leaving if Mourinho had been made manager ? Or if Rafa had not been in for him ?

Hodgson's reputation, amongst other factors I'm sure, has affected the decisions of both Gerrard & Torres not to seek pastures new, so :

Torres Staying - Tick - is valid
Gerrard Staying - Tick - is valid
Cole Arriving - Tick - is valid

On the departures I'm also sure he was asked whether the sales identified (probably by Kenny) met his approval, and if there were any others he wanted to replace or were surfeit to requirements, after all he IS the new manager and I would find it incomprehensible for him not to have been consulted. Therefore it's not surprising in the least that players such as Insua, Riera, El Zhar, Maxi, Degen etc. are being released / sold. Kuyt would be a big shock if it turns out to be true though - I doubt very much it is.

So far he's done everything that could have been expected of him, it remains to be seen how he replaces those players and where the team goes in terms of formation & style. I'm am becoming more hopeful by the day though.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41168.msg1143783#msg1143783 date=1280295910]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41168.msg1143776#msg1143776 date=1280295207]
Farky - while I think saying he's 'played a blinder' is stretching it, he's probably done more than expected so far.

Masher was going anyway and he was quick to get in there to speak to all players as soon as he could. He's been honest about most situations and been coy when needed - he's shown his experience.

Regards Cole, you've made it clear you're not as sold as most on the idea, but the fact remains we've brought in an experienced English international who's won almost everything, including the much coveted league title we all crave..

Whatever problems you've outlined, most were there to begin with, so taking away any credit from roy for how he's dealt with those issues whilst attempting to lay partial blame at his door is being overly negative, and unfair in all honesty. He's made the most of a delicate situation and so far its gone as good as we could have hoped for. Better even.
[/quote]


I'm not attempting to lay blame at Hodgson's door. He's here exactly to make the best of a bad situation, and I've never said otherwise. I'm simply saying that the main things he has to resolve with the transfer ins and outs are still yet to be resolved. Even if I gave a shit about us having Cole, and thought he'd make a difference, a bad midfield replacement for Mascherano would set us back further than any incremental improvement Cole will provide.
[/quote]

You are aware that Mascharano going is not something that Roy wants arnt you? Im sure you heard what he said yesterday. In fact it was very clear from that that he doesnt want him to go.

That being said there is no , like for like, replacement for Mascher

 

[manwithnoname]

Torres returning - Hodgson had nothing to do with, as he himself said
Gerrard Staying - there wasn't massive interest by Gerrard, or other parties
Exciting new signings - there haven't been any. You can honestly tell me we've signed someone that is going to markedly improve how we play, or fix the issues we saw last year?
Big name signing - surely on the way when Mascherano goes. Yes, that's right, we'll replace a known good with an unknown good. That's not progress.

Thus far Hodgson hasn't done much of anything, and if he can optimize what we've got, hustle with no money, and achieve good results, much of it will depend on how he some how rectifies the massive hole in our midfield, shortly after making it even bigger.

Thus far, there isn't much of anything to smile about this summer.

So we've kept Torres, oh goodie. If we don't make fourth this year, he'll be gone, no question, and it'll be three seasons in a row of losing our best players, and another year slowly taking away the one who probably will hang around.

Cole signing for Liverpool: "the size of the club (convinced me to come) - it's immense"

Of course, what the WCDNW fanclub will say is that although, for example, Old Uncle Roy may have led us to believe that he had hardly spoken to Torres, and couldn't really do much to influence his decision, this is all part of his cunning Kaiser Soze media persona, and in reality he's masterminding everything behind the scenes.

It's really rather clever.

 

[peterhague]

so joey cole has doled out some typically 'footballer' platitude about hodgson, and suddenly that's the reason he signed?

RIGGHHHT. some of the pro-hodgsons on here are more blinkered after a few weeks and no glaring mistakes than the rafa-ites were after 6 years of the same old exasperating errors.

 

[doctor_mac]

I didn't want Hodgson, though now he's here I'm more than willing to get behind him. I actually think he can make a good job of it given our current limited resources.

The Hodgson the puppet master spiel is embarrassing though. Roy clearly hasn't as much power as previous Liverpool managers, something he's being quite candid about, and that we should accept as fact.

 

[Avmenon]

HOw can anyone be pro or anti Hodgson when he hasnt managed a single game?

I will say however that the reason why 'some' are quietly hopeful is because he does seem to have spotted the obvious* weaknesses and is trying to sort them out.

* not obvious to everyone

 

[jexykrodic]

Roy Hodgson should, and will be judged on results.

Disputes about how much he knows or does or influences pre-season are irrelevant.

His coaching ability can be judged early on after the tough first six games.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41168.msg1143778#msg1143778 date=1280295228]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=41168.msg1143771#msg1143771 date=1280294408]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41168.msg1143770#msg1143770 date=1280294143]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41168.msg1143766#msg1143766 date=1280293059]
Roy has played a blinder.
[/quote]

Torres returning - Hodgson had nothing to do with, as he himself said
Gerrard Staying - there wasn't massive interest by Gerrard, or other parties
Exciting new signings - there haven't been any. You can honestly tell me we've signed someone that is going to markedly improve how we play, or fix the issues we saw last year?
Big name signing - surely on the way when Mascherano goes. Yes, that's right, we'll replace a known good with an unknown good. That's not progress.

Thus far Hodgson hasn't done much of anything, and if he can optimize what we've got, hustle with no money, and achieve good results, much of it will depend on how he some how rectifies the massive hole in our midfield, shortly after making it even bigger.

[/quote]

Fast forward: May 2011
League Champions: Liverpool FC
Comment from Farkmaster: "Hodgson had nothing to do with it. We won thanks to Gerrard, Torres and Cole. Sammy Lee was instrumental with his off the pitch motivating and Purslow kept our main squad intact."

😉
[/quote]

So you honestly think that
1) We've got a chance in hell of winning the league unless we are taken over in the next week or two
2) If we did win the league, I wouldn't give Roy Hodgson credit.

Just wait a couple weeks and see what happens.

Sorry, I mean, we've got Joe Cole.

I honestly think Jovanovic will make more of an impact, given that he actually fills a couple positions we require filling, rather than just being a like for like replacement for an outgoing player.
[/quote]

Well, the league is won on the pitch and not in the boardroom. Thank fuck for that!

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41168.msg1143834#msg1143834 date=1280306235]
I didn't want Hodgson, though now he's here I'm more than willing to get behind him. I actually think he can make a good job of it given our current limited resources.

The Hodgson the puppet master spiel is embarrassing though. Roy clearly hasn't as much power as previous Liverpool managers, something he's being quite candid about, and that we should accept as fact.
[/quote]

Both sides are it are a bit embarrassing. Roy isn't also playing some weak minded persona, either. It's all bollocks. Like you say he's working with less power than he predecessor, but like it or not, it's only natural for members of the board to have more of a say in how the club is being run when the club is financially fucked.

So far it doesn't seem to be a bad thing, because it's been a pretty decent summer all things considered.

 

[RolandG]

Roy came to a club with obvious problems both on and aff the field. He is doing what he can with limited resources.

I like the way he is going about his job. We need a few more players and have got some time left to bring in new blood. We are skint so its unlikely that we'll be getting in any world class players. Roy can't be blamed for that. Let's get behind the gaffer. Everyone might not approve of his appointment but he's here making the best of a bad situation!

 

[Molbystwin]

I have no problem with Hodgson at all and do not feel he is anyway to blame but this summer so far has not solved a single problem and to suggest it has is just way of beam. We need a good striker a good left back and at least one good midfielder offloading players is a little bit risky considering we desperately quite possibly will not be able to replace them and even if we do it's highly unlikely they will be of high quality.

Yeh ... Joe cole.... Well done.

Three more of that kind of quality and we'll see how good Hodgson is, I hope he gets a chance to be fairly judged.

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41168.msg1143937#msg1143937 date=1280315254]
I have no problem with Hodgson at all and do not feel he is anyway to blame but this summer so far has not solved a single problem and to suggest it has is just way of beam. We need a good striker a good left back and at least one good midfielder offloading players is a little bit risky considering we desperately quite possibly will not be able to replace them and even if we do it's highly unlikely they will be of high quality.

Yeh ... Joe cole.... Well done.

Three more of that kind of quality and we'll see how good Hodgson is, I hope he gets a chance to be fairly judged.
[/quote]

Thats a tad unfair considering we've held onto Gerrard and as reports suggest Torres too! Losing them would've been a massive blow! Mascher wanted to go so Hodgson wasnt going to be able to do anything about that.

 

[Bernowatson]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41168.msg1143835#msg1143835 date=1280306346]
HOw can anyone be pro or anti Hodgson when he hasnt managed a single game?

I will say however that the reason why 'some' are quietly hopeful is because he does seem to have spotted the obvious* weaknesses and is trying to sort them out.

* not obvious to everyone
[/quote]

How anybody can be ANTI anything to do with Liverpool FC on here is beyong belief sometimes.....

I sometimes wonder if people here really do support Liverpool FC?

 

[rubans]

Let's not get too excited on the Hodgson era, I'm optmistic but :
- Season has yet to be start and what a start we have.
- Torres has yet to comment publically, suprising for a player who seemed so in love with LFC a year ago
- Rafa for all his faults could get big foreign names to join us who wanted to worth with him like Reina, Alonso, Torres and Mascher, if the club is to go forward this will still be a massive aspect and Roy has still yet to do this. Until he has the right funds he can't be judged on this.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41168.msg1143770#msg1143770 date=1280294143]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41168.msg1143766#msg1143766 date=1280293059]
Roy has played a blinder.
[/quote]

Torres returning - Hodgson had nothing to do with, as he himself said
Gerrard Staying - there wasn't massive interest by Gerrard, or other parties
Exciting new signings - there haven't been any. You can honestly tell me we've signed someone that is going to markedly improve how we play, or fix the issues we saw last year?
Big name signing - surely on the way when Mascherano goes. Yes, that's right, we'll replace a known good with an unknown good. That's not progress.

Thus far Hodgson hasn't done much of anything, and if he can optimize what we've got, hustle with no money, and achieve good results, much of it will depend on how he some how rectifies the massive hole in our midfield, shortly after making it even bigger.

Thus far, there isn't much of anything to smile about this summer.

So we've kept Torres, oh goodie. If we don't make fourth this year, he'll be gone, no question, and it'll be three seasons in a row of losing our best players, and another year slowly taking away the one who probably will hang around.

[/quote]

What a load of bollocks.

Jesus, the shit you gave me on my Rafa stance recently, and you're already far worse in the opposite direction when it comes to Roy.

There wasn't much interest in SG? Riiiiiight. 'Cos he wouldn't walk into any other team on the planet...
No exciting new signings? Er, there was a very good signing about two weeks ago - A proven premiership and international performer who should certainly help us in fixing the lack-of-creativity issue that we saw last year.

Mascherano - He was leaving no matter what, so Roy didn't CREATE that hole, as you claim. Also, depending on how the money we get for him is used, we may actually have a stronger overall team for his departure - All up in the air now, I'll grant you, but possible, despite your determination not to consider it.

There's plenty to smile about this summer, compared to where we were in May... Less bad stuff than we feared would happen has happened, we've cleared away some deadwood and brought in an exciting attacking player too. It may not be the summer of Barnes, Beardsley and Aldo, but if I'd been offered this in May, I would have taken it.

I'll tell you something - I think we'd be in a far worse position, player-wise, were Rafa still here. We'd not have Joe Cole, and I doubt either SG or FT would be back. For that alone, I'm glad Roy's here.

 

[Farkmaster]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41168.msg1144061#msg1144061 date=1280327887]
What a load of bollocks.

Jesus, the shit you gave me on my Rafa stance recently, and you're already far worse in the opposite direction when it comes to Roy.

There wasn't much interest in SG? Riiiiiight. 'Cos he wouldn't walk into any other team on the planet...
No exciting new signings? Er, there was a very good signing about two weeks ago - A proven premiership and international performer who should certainly help us in fixing the lack-of-creativity issue that we saw last year.

Mascherano - He was leaving no matter what, so Roy didn't CREATE that hole, as you claim. Also, depending on how the money we get for him is used, we may actually have a stronger overall team for his departure - All up in the air now, I'll grant you, but possible, despite your determination not to consider it.

There's plenty to smile about this summer, compared to where we were in May... Less bad stuff than we feared would happen has happened, we've cleared away some deadwood and brought in an exciting attacking player too. It may not be the summer of Barnes, Beardsley and Aldo, but if I'd been offered this in May, I would have taken it.

I'll tell you something - I think we'd be in a far worse position, player-wise, were Rafa still here. We'd not have Joe Cole, and I doubt either SG or FT would be back. For that alone, I'm glad Roy's here.
[/quote]

Where have I given a stance that is anti-Hodgson in some way. Go on, look through all my posts. I responded to someone saying that Hodgson has played a blinder, and pointed out that the majority of his work is still to be done, and it's a bit silly getting giddy about what he's done so far, because it hasn't significantly changed the state of our team, and because quite simply it's silly to get giddy about anything given the overriding issues at the club.

I do think that he could end up being quite a good appointment, in that his approach may make sense in our restricted spending environment. Perhaps he'll put us into a better position than Rafa would, we can speculate wildly about that, once he's addressed the most significant issues with the squad, which he hasn't yet.

I think Hodgson was brought in to make the best of a bad situation, and he's done about 10% of his job fairly well so far. I'm sorry that doesn't fill me with joy as it apparently should.

Some of the rest of your point by point posts are just wrong.

I don't think there was much interest in SG, and I haven't seen any evidence he was looking to go. I'm not so sure that SG at the age of 30 is as attractive a proposition to other clubs as you make out, and I'm not sure he'd walk onto any other team in the planet. You can say he would have had Rafa stayed, but of what relevance is that? There isn't any evidence Hodgson was a prime reason why Cole came, Gerrard stayed, and Torres stayed, in fact Hodgson, in his humble way, has said as much in some of these cases.

You're making a lot of me saying Roy will have to address the results of our selling our best midfield players two seasons in a row. I'm not saying he's to blame for Mascherano going, because I'm not a fucking idiot. I'm saying given that our midfield was a disaster last season, and it's getting worse, that'll be the massive thing he needs to address. Just how Rafa's Aquilani purchase was his undoing last season, above anything else, that will be Hodgson's big decision.

If I had been offered where we are today in May, I wouldn't have taken it. Because we haven't been sold.

 

[manwithnoname]

Some truth in both stances here: there's no doubting that Benitez is a better and more successful manager, but there has to be some concern that had he stayed, certain players *might* have decided to leave (Torres? Gerrard?) and the fact that both are staying may be more to do with Benitez *not* being here, more than OUR dazzling them with his footballing vision, but it's a fair enough observation given some of the body language last season

 

[Richey]

I'm also of the opinion that persuading Gerrard to stay was not the against all odds task it was 5 years ago.

Through is body language he gave impressions that he wasn't too happy last season but he didn't drag any decision out and no clubs seemed to have a firm interest.

Fact is that at 30 he is much more valuable to us than he would be to another team as we build a whole team around him!
Hodgson has made a good start on the job he has to do but its not like he has done anything amazing yet! can we wait until he has at least won a few games, or we have even played one game under him, before proclaiming his greatness?

 

[Jack D Rips]

Can we wait until he has lost a few games before proclaiming his uselessness?

 

[Richey]

Haha. yes i think we probably should.