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I'm more concerned with our ability to create chances rather than our ability to tuck those chances away, i.e. if I had a choice of the next arrival it would be an attacking midfielder rather than a striker.
 
And how he adores mourinho for making three changes at half time. Yet it ignores:

A) he's doing this because he's losing badly.

B) he still loses the second half
 
I dont think we were lucky per se but I feel the squads mental strength finally shone through, we matured last season into a team who believes it can win things.

Sadly it WASNT true, we needed more, regardless of who much we got out of what we had already, we did not win the title FACT and in my opinion we still do need to strengthen, its fucking obvious that we are horrendously short if squad strength.

A top quality attacking option is still absolutely essential IMO, i agree with Vlad.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35141.msg921450#msg921450 date=1249815694]

A top quality attacking option is still absolutely essential IMO, i agree with Vlad.
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we're going to have to make do as I simply don't see us getting one this transfer window
 
If losing our best two players so often last season was lucky, I wish similar luck on our rivals this time.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35141.msg921451#msg921451 date=1249815781]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35141.msg921450#msg921450 date=1249815694]

A top quality attacking option is still absolutely essential IMO, i agree with Vlad.
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we're going to have to make do as I simply don't see us getting one this transfer window
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I felt we wouldnt be getting one the moment we signed Johnson and said so. Its been a shambles of a transfer season IMO.

IF we get lucky and manage to sell a few more bits of deadwood we could possibly still spend, but the natural suspicion is that our net transfer expenditure will be close to zero in order to pay off the americans loans. You cannot increase your debt by 40 odd million each year when you dont have a new stadium and clearly both your owners are skint. Our job is to finish top four, any higher is irrelevent financially.

They have promised to clear 60M of debt this year and we have been screaming out for a new striker for 9 months but still dont have one...... hmmm i wonder if its all related.

The only consolation is that its not just us I read the other day tha Man U recieved 24M for their far east tour, if you add in the 60M net transfer profit, its A LOT of cash and yet even they are not spending.... i suspect this leveraged loans business is a bit of cunts game.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35141.msg921454#msg921454 date=1249816234]
If losing our best two players so often last season was lucky, I wish similar luck on our rivals this time.
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Macca don't be so obtuse old chum.
Injuries to key players are part of the game and something that everyone endures, and something that has to be planned for. Chelsea probably had it worse that us last year, and United were without Ronaldo for a big chunk of the year.
Sorry, but I happen to think we did not have the right contingencies in place, but what we had , as Squiggs put it, exceeded expectations.
If we don't get the right cover in we may find the circumstances different. If we really want to maintain a realistic challenge we can't leave anything to chance. Rafa is now looking at spending a lot of money on another defender, an area that , it seems to me, we have pretty good cover.

regards
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35141.msg921431#msg921431 date=1249814299]
Guys, like I said I'm not saying we don't need a striker, but we shouldn't underestimate what we can do either, to finish four points off United (who are IMO now weakened) without Torres and Gerrard for much of the campaign shows there is more to us than just those two.

Ideally, as I've said all Summer, we'll bring in a versatile attacker. Who though for a relatively small price?
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RVN.

He's versatile, can play upfront on his own & wont be massively unhappy not playing week in week out.

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35141.msg921446#msg921446 date=1249815511]
That is the exact problem. The one that we do play with is the only one capable of playing up front alone and the system is tailored around that. If Torres is not there we need to revert to a traditional two up front.

regards
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Unless we have a player who can play upfront on his own, like RVN. We should sign horseface as a priority IMO.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35141.msg921429#msg921429 date=1249813869]
Guys,for fucks sake we got lucky last season.
If any one of you think that we could rely on any two from Kuyt, Voronin and N'gog to maintain a challenge you must be more daft than I fucking thought.


regards

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I'm not sure we got lucky but I cannot see us doing much with our strikers options this season and if Gerrard plays the link role we have to proven player to dictate the tempo in the middle.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=35141.msg921488#msg921488 date=1249821383]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35141.msg921431#msg921431 date=1249814299]
Guys, like I said I'm not saying we don't need a striker, but we shouldn't underestimate what we can do either, to finish four points off United (who are IMO now weakened) without Torres and Gerrard for much of the campaign shows there is more to us than just those two.

Ideally, as I've said all Summer, we'll bring in a versatile attacker. Who though for a relatively small price?
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RVN.

He's versatile, can play upfront on his own & wont be massively unhappy not playing week in week out.

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35141.msg921446#msg921446 date=1249815511]
That is the exact problem. The one that we do play with is the only one capable of playing up front alone and the system is tailored around that. If Torres is not there we need to revert to a traditional two up front.

regards
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Unless we have a player who can play upfront on his own, like RVN. We should sign horseface as a priority IMO.
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Not sure Madrid would be willing to do any reasonable business with us, not after paying us 32-36m on our two players. They'll probably want a ridiculous amount.
But yeah, if that were to go smoothly gettinh RVN, a better goal scorer than Owen, would make me smile.
 
If we don't sign a capable forward before the start of the season, it could all end in tears. I'd be gobsmacked if Torres played the entire season without a rest or a knock. And there's no other players in the squad that I would trust in the '1 man upfront' formation.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35141.msg921458#msg921458 date=1249816839]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35141.msg921454#msg921454 date=1249816234]
If losing our best two players so often last season was lucky, I wish similar luck on our rivals this time.
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Macca don't be so obtuse old chum.
Injuries to key players are part of the game and something that everyone endures, and something that has to be planned for. Chelsea probably had it worse that us last year, and United were without Ronaldo for a big chunk of the year.
Sorry, but I happen to think we did not have the right contingencies in place, but what we had , as Squiggs put it, exceeded expectations.
If we don't get the right cover in we may find the circumstances different. If we really want to maintain a realistic challenge we can't leave anything to chance. Rafa is now looking at spending a lot of money on another defender, an area that , it seems to me, we have pretty good cover.

regards
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Ronaldo played 53 (33 in the league) games for scum last season, scoring 26 in the process. That's not being out ' for a large chunk of the year'.
Torres played 38 (24 in the league) games for us, scoring 17.
Gerrard played 41 (30 in the league) games and scored 24 goals.

If our season was lucky, you should be chuffed because we're in for an even luckier season this year.
 
I too am of the opinion that our squad lacks depth.

The entire forum pretty much unanimously agreed on what needed to be done this summer and now that it is hasn't happened at all, we all just seem trying to convince ourselves that we'll make do and it's okay anyways. You all know that had these discussions taken place a few months earlier, they'd have taken a different shape altogether.

We were a little unlucky last season with injuries but had good fortune that the team was able to carry those injuries and win. The players that were key in helping us do that are either not here or haven't proven that they can do the same consistently each season. This might be the year that we do get the proof but it's a risk I really wouldn't like to gamble our season on.
 
our squad does indeed lack depth that is way this season rafa has GOT to trust the kids and the fringe in the other competitons - FAC, CC, the likes of carra and tottes should only play in the league and CL.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35141.msg921516#msg921516 date=1249823240]
I too am of the opinion that our squad lacks depth.

The entire forum pretty much unanimously agreed on what needed to be done this summer and now that it is hasn't happened at all, we all just seem trying to convince ourselves that we'll make do and it's okay anyways. You all know that had these discussions taken place a few months earlier, they'd have taken a different shape altogether.

We were a little unlucky last season with injuries but had good fortune that the team was able to carry those injuries and win. The players that were key in helping us do that are either not here or haven't proven that they can do the same consistently each season. This might be the year that we do get the proof but it's a risk I really wouldn't like to gamble our season on.
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I agree with that and with Vlad.
 
Alvin Martin: "the most important signing in the premiership this season - Chelsea keeping John Terry"

does that even make sense?
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35141.msg921458#msg921458 date=1249816839]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35141.msg921454#msg921454 date=1249816234]
If losing our best two players so often last season was lucky, I wish similar luck on our rivals this time.
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Macca don't be so obtuse old chum.
Injuries to key players are part of the game and something that everyone endures, and something that has to be planned for. Chelsea probably had it worse that us last year, and United were without Ronaldo for a big chunk of the year.
Sorry, but I happen to think we did not have the right contingencies in place, but what we had , as Squiggs put it, exceeded expectations.
If we don't get the right cover in we may find the circumstances different. If we really want to maintain a realistic challenge we can't leave anything to chance. Rafa is now looking at spending a lot of money on another defender, an area that , it seems to me, we have pretty good cover.

regards
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Ronaldo appeared in 33 League games for Man Ure last year

So it's inaccurate to say he missed out on a big chunk of the year.

Gerrard played in 30, while Torres played in 24.

Tevez, Berbatoz & Rooney all played around 30 games.

Last season wasn't luck, it's players getting used to a system, playing as a team and getting a beetr result from their sum components rather than individual abilities.

We can win this League this year, and it's our best chance for a long, long time.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=35141.msg921547#msg921547 date=1249824707]
Alvin Martin: "the most important signing in the premiership this season - Chelsea keeping John Terry"

does that even make sense?


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didn't he say "the most important non-transfer of the summer"?
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35141.msg921459#msg921459 date=1249816921]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35141.msg921457#msg921457 date=1249816706]
Pundits aside, Fergie now admits the gooners will challenge as well this year. So he has excluded us, still. That is good.

http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2...uson-expects-arsenal-to-challenge-for-premier
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I'm surprised anyone can still understand what he's saying. His slur is now so bad he makes vacuum cleaners sound like Ronald Colman.
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Slurring aside, he is getting forgetful by the day. I remember he said that the gooners have no chance for this year only recently.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35141.msg921458#msg921458 date=1249816839]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35141.msg921454#msg921454 date=1249816234]
If losing our best two players so often last season was lucky, I wish similar luck on our rivals this time.
[/quote]

Macca don't be so obtuse old chum.
Injuries to key players are part of the game and something that everyone endures, and something that has to be planned for. Chelsea probably had it worse that us last year, and United were without Ronaldo for a big chunk of the year.
Sorry, but I happen to think we did not have the right contingencies in place, but what we had , as Squiggs put it, exceeded expectations.
If we don't get the right cover in we may find the circumstances different. If we really want to maintain a realistic challenge we can't leave anything to chance. Rafa is now looking at spending a lot of money on another defender, an area that , it seems to me, we have pretty good cover.

regards
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Where did you go on your hols, Vladders - Sweden?? The Strindberg Depression Clinic?? 😱
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35141.msg921757#msg921757 date=1249874100]
Written off by another. Yay.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1205424/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Another-season-goal-Rafa.html

It really does not matter how wisely Benitez spends, or if he is allowed to use any of the remainder at all. Liverpool's campaign may already be holed below the waterline before a ball has been kicked.
Click to expand...
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Typical BS from london based media again. It doesn't bother me anymore, let them write us off.
 
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=35141.msg921761#msg921761 date=1249875359]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35141.msg921757#msg921757 date=1249874100]
Written off by another. Yay.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1205424/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Another-season-goal-Rafa.html

It really does not matter how wisely Benitez spends, or if he is allowed to use any of the remainder at all. Liverpool's campaign may already be holed below the waterline before a ball has been kicked.
Click to expand...
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Typical BS from london based media again. It doesn't bother me anymore, let them write us off.
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I am more uncomfortable that we become favourites and fall by the wayside. I would prefer to be the underdogs.
 
Indeed. Also it will be all the more sweeter when we do bring it back home, although I'm sure some twats out there would try and say it's because Utd were weaker/Chavski adapting to a new manager.
 
I don't care how we do it, and what others say. As long as we bring home number 19. Yeah baby.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35141.msg921560#msg921560 date=1249826892]
I take it those stats include sub appearances?
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I'm sure they do.
 
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