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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1096792#msg1096792 date=1272627783]
Stick a yes or no next to the following names if you would like them to still be here next August.
Obviously a mass exodus is unlikely but if it were up to you who would you say adios to?

Reina Y
Cavalieri DC
Insua Y
Aurelio N
Kelly Y
Ayala Y
Degen N
Johnson Y
Aquilani Y
Agger Y
Gerrard Y
Torres Y
Riera N
Benayoun Y
Kyrgiakos Y
Maxi Y
Kuyt Y
Babel N
Mascherano Y
Lucas Y
Carragher Y
Ngog Y
Plessis N
El Zhar Y
Irwin Y
Skrtel Y
Pacheco Y
Benitez Y
Lee Y
Pellegrino Y
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Pepe, Kelly, Johnson, Agger, Gerrard, Torres, Carra, Mascher, Pacheco all MUST stay. Everybody else is available a) at the right price and b) depending on the potential replacement.

Aurelio, Aquilani, Riera, Yossi, Zorba, Lucas, Maxi, Kuyt - I'm not actively looking to get shot of them, and if they're still here in August, that's fine, but they're available...

Everybody else can leave. Today.
 
Reina STAY
Cavalieri GO
Insua GO
Aurelio GO
Kelly STAY
Ayala STAY
Degen GO
Johnson STAY
Aquilani STAY
Agger STAY
Gerrard STAY
Torres STAY
Riera GO
Benayoun GO
Kyrgiakos STAY
Maxi STAY
Kuyt GO
Babel STAY
Mascherano STAY
Lucas GO
Carragher STAY
Ngog STAY
Plessis GO
El Zhar GO
Irwin STAY
Skrtel STAY
Pacheco STAY
Benitez GO
Lee GO
Pellegrino GO
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1096842#msg1096842 date=1272632003]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=40024.msg1096834#msg1096834 date=1272631414]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1096825#msg1096825 date=1272630784]
Brendan why would you sell Aquilani? I know you hadn't watched him prior to coming, and I know you were sceptical, and I KNOW this season has been a mess for him, but surely you've seen enough now to know that he's a fine player?
I understand your hatred of Lucas, Insua, Ngog etc because they aren't very good, but Aquilani is VERY good, and whenever he has started he has almost always performed. 13 starts with 2 goals and a bunch of assists not to mention how well he's played generally. I justdontgetit?
Is it just the injuries? Because he really ought to have been played a lot more than he has.
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I'd throw the same question to you about Benayoun Oncy.
He's hot and cold which makes him unpredictable for the starting 11, but the guy is at the very least a quality squad player, and I think that we still need people in that role.
[/quote]Simply because I don't like him on the wing mate. We have Gerrard and for my money Aquilani who are better players in the hole. I just don't think we need three of them. If gerrard were to leave I'd want Yossi to stay. But he's wasted out wide, and where else will he be played? I'd rather see Pacheco as understudy to Gerrard and Aquilani and some proper widemen brought in. Nothing against Yossi. He's an ok player.
[/quote]

Played on the right rather than the left, Yossi is generally very productive. He scored one and created the other last night, and that's by no means a freak example.

If we were offered £8-10m for him, I think you'd have to consider selling because he's 30 and will soon have no sell-on value, but if not I'd definitely keep him, simply because he's one of our few skilful, dangerous players.

Pesam, I'm not mad about Wash, but I think he'd do as a fourth-choice striker. If we sell him, we'll have to buy three of the fuckers, and they're expensive.
 
Reina
Cavalieri
Insua
Aurelio
Kelly
Ayala
Degen
Johnson
Aquilani
Agger
Gerrard
Torres
Riera
Benayoun
Kyrgiakos
Maxi
Kuyt
Babel
Mascherano
Lucas
Carragher
Ngog
Plessis
El Zhar
Irwin
Skrtel
Pacheco
Benitez
Lee
Pellegrino
 
Reina - Keep
Cavalieri - Flog
Insua - Flog
Aurelio - Flog
Kelly - Keep
Ayala- Don't really care, but keep as back up and prospect until he proves whether he's shit or not.
Degen - MOTHERFUCKING FLOG!!!
Johnson - Keep
Aquilani - Keep
Agger - Keep
Gerrard - Keep
Torres - Keep
Riera - Flog
Benayoun - Keep
Kyrgiakos - Keep
Maxi - Keep
Kuyt - Keep
Babel - Flog
Mascherano - Keep
Lucas - Keep, but not too enthused about it.
Carragher - Keep
Ngog - Keep for a bit, see Ayala
Plessis - Flog
El Zhar - FLOGZILLA!
Irwin - Meh, Flog
Skrtel - Keep
Pacheco - Keep
Benitez - Flog
Lee - Don't really care either way
Pellegrino - Flog
Spearing - Flog
Nemeth - Flog
Darby - Meh. Keep as back up, prospect, European rulings if we ever qualify for it again.
 
Reina - Stay
Cavalieri - Stay
Insua - Go
Aurelio - Go
Kelly - Stay
Ayala - Stay
Degen - Go
Johnson - Stay
Aquilani - Stay
Agger - Stay
Gerrard - Stay
Torres - Stay
Riera - Go
Benayoun - Stay
Kyrgiakos - Stay
Maxi - Stay
Kuyt - Stay
Babel - Go
Mascherano - Stay
Lucas - Go
Carragher - Stay
Ngog - Stay
Plessis - Go
El Zhar - Go
Irwin - Stay
Skrtel - Stay
Pacheco - Stay
Benitez - Go
Lee
Pellegrino
 
Yossi is our fourth top goalscorer in the league this season with far less starts (and many in a position he's rubbish in) than the midfielders ahead of him. He is so undervalued on this site it's untrue. He's a proven squad player that has contributed a lot of goals.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40024.msg1096948#msg1096948 date=1272650394]
Yossi is our fourth top goalscorer in the league this season with far less starts (and many in a position he's rubbish in) than the midfielders ahead of him. He is so undervalued on this site it's untrue. He's a proven squad player that has contributed a lot of goals.

[/quote]Mate I don't undervalue him at all. I value him highly. But he'd be third choice for me in one position that he is really really good at and I don't think he'd be happy at 30 to play 10 games a season.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1096952#msg1096952 date=1272651093]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40024.msg1096948#msg1096948 date=1272650394]
Yossi is our fourth top goalscorer in the league this season with far less starts (and many in a position he's rubbish in) than the midfielders ahead of him. He is so undervalued on this site it's untrue. He's a proven squad player that has contributed a lot of goals.

[/quote]Mate I don't undervalue him at all. I value him highly. But he'd be third choice for me in one position that he is really really good at and I don't think he'd be happy at 30 to play 10 games a season.
[/quote]

On top of that you have Pacheco, who although unproven, seems to be similar is style to yossi and I think plays in a similar position as well.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1096952#msg1096952 date=1272651093]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40024.msg1096948#msg1096948 date=1272650394]
Yossi is our fourth top goalscorer in the league this season with far less starts (and many in a position he's rubbish in) than the midfielders ahead of him. He is so undervalued on this site it's untrue. He's a proven squad player that has contributed a lot of goals.

[/quote]Mate I don't undervalue him at all. I value him highly. But he'd be third choice for me in one position that he is really really good at and I don't think he'd be happy at 30 to play 10 games a season.
[/quote]

He is good at RW where he has played the majority of his games for us and scored most of his goals.

I don't know where this obsession about Yossi in the middle comes from.
 
I agree with Oncy about Yossi's position, though I agree with you about his ability. He's not a winger (he's barely even a true wide midfielder, given that he comes inside at every possible opportunity) and I remember at least one interview with him during his time at W.Ham when he himself said he prefers to play centrally. Nor is he the first skilful, relatively lightweight player to be stuck out wide despite preferring a central role - step forward Vlad Smicer and Joe Cole, to name two off the top of my head.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40024.msg1096948#msg1096948 date=1272650394]
Yossi is our fourth top goalscorer in the league this season with far less starts (and many in a position he's rubbish in) than the midfielders ahead of him. He is so undervalued on this site it's untrue. He's a proven squad player that has contributed a lot of goals.

[/quote]

I know! Me and Skullflower are the only non-Jews who appreciate him.
 
FFS. Not *every* wide player has to hug the touchline. It's perfectly acceptable to have 'wingers' who cut inside - Messi being only the most obvious of the many examples in modern football.

We do need a 'proper winger' as well, but that doesn't mean we have to dump Yossi.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40024.msg1096960#msg1096960 date=1272653760]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1096952#msg1096952 date=1272651093]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40024.msg1096948#msg1096948 date=1272650394]
Yossi is our fourth top goalscorer in the league this season with far less starts (and many in a position he's rubbish in) than the midfielders ahead of him. He is so undervalued on this site it's untrue. He's a proven squad player that has contributed a lot of goals.

[/quote]Mate I don't undervalue him at all. I value him highly. But he'd be third choice for me in one position that he is really really good at and I don't think he'd be happy at 30 to play 10 games a season.
[/quote]

He is good at RW where he has played the majority of his games for us and scored most of his goals.

I don't know where this obsession about Yossi in the middle comes from.
[/quote]Erm obsession? I think it's the first time I've ever mentioned it or even thought about it.
It's a fictional land where we can decide who goes and who stays. Assuming everyone (like me) has crafted their remaining squad in their image so to speak they would keep players who they felt fitted their needs.
I did that. My desire is to have a team with proper wingers ie-Valencia, Malouda. I don't want my wide players to be found in the space between the penalty box and the centre circle within the width of the 18 yard box. That's just me though. Yossi is a very good cm. He isn't a winger. He does a job at rm but NOT rw. I want to play with (ideally) 1 DM, 1 CM, 2 Wingers and 2 Forwards.
That's just me though. I'm not obsessed about Yossi playing wide, I just don't think (in my mind) that he'd play very often.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1096792#msg1096792 date=1272627783]
Stick a yes or no next to the following names if you would like them to still be here next August.
Obviously a mass exodus is unlikely but if it were up to you who would you say adios to?

Reina
Cavalieri
InsuaN
AurelioN
Kelly
Ayala
DegenN
Johnson
Aquilani
Agger
Gerrard
Torres
RieraN
Benayoun
Kyrgiakos
Maxi
KuytN
Babel
Mascherano
Lucas
Carragher
Ngog
PlessisN
El ZharN
Irwin
SkrtelN
Pacheco
BenitezN
LeeN
PellegrinoN
[/quote]
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40024.msg1096830#msg1096830 date=1272631159]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40024.msg1096810#msg1096810 date=1272629611]
The spide has turned from friendly neighbourhood webslinger into that moody black-costumed version
[/quote]

and we're not talking the movie version either where I walk down the street pointing at pretty women and dance in jazz clubs.
[/quote]

At least you havent turned into Venom yet.
 
Reina - YES
Cavalieri - NO
Insua - NO
Aurelio - NO
Kelly - YES
Ayala - YES
Degen - NO
Johnson - YES
Aquilani - YES
Agger - YES
Gerrard - YES
Torres - YES
Riera - NO
Benayoun - YES
Kyrgiakos - NO
Maxi - YES
Kuyt - YES (as a squad player not a first team starter)
Babel - YES
Mascherano - YES
Lucas - FUCK NO
Carragher - YES
Ngog - DONT CARE (as 4th choice i wouldnt care)
Plessis - NO
El Zhar - FUCK NO
Irwin - DONT CARE
Skrtel - YES
Pacheco - YES
Benitez - FUCK NO
Lee - DONT CARE
Pellegrino - DONT CARE
Spearing - FUCK NO
Nemeth - YES
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1097008#msg1097008 date=1272664038]Erm obsession? I think it's the first time I've ever mentioned it or even thought about it.
It's a fictional land where we can decide who goes and who stays. Assuming everyone (like me) has crafted their remaining squad in their image so to speak they would keep players who they felt fitted their needs.
I did that. My desire is to have a team with proper wingers ie-Valencia, Malouda. I don't want my wide players to be found in the space between the penalty box and the centre circle within the width of the 18 yard box. That's just me though. Yossi is a very good cm. He isn't a winger. He does a job at rm but NOT rw. I want to play with (ideally) 1 DM, 1 CM, 2 Wingers and 2 Forwards.
That's just me though. I'm not obsessed about Yossi playing wide, I just don't think (in my mind) that he'd play very often.
[/quote]

I didn't mean that you were obsessed, just that there seems to be this general school of thought that Yossi's best position is in the middle and he's wasted out wide. He's played most of his career out wide and a lot of attacking midfielders find that this is where they end up.

He's proven his worth as a squaddie in the three years that he's been here by averaging about 9 goals a season as a squad player. In a side that can struggles for goals and creativity without a certain two players, I'm just continually surprised that people don't seem to value that.

As for having traditional wingers starting fair enough. Why does Maxi get to stay though?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40024.msg1097067#msg1097067 date=1272692753]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1097008#msg1097008 date=1272664038]Erm obsession? I think it's the first time I've ever mentioned it or even thought about it.
It's a fictional land where we can decide who goes and who stays. Assuming everyone (like me) has crafted their remaining squad in their image so to speak they would keep players who they felt fitted their needs.
I did that. My desire is to have a team with proper wingers ie-Valencia, Malouda. I don't want my wide players to be found in the space between the penalty box and the centre circle within the width of the 18 yard box. That's just me though. Yossi is a very good cm. He isn't a winger. He does a job at rm but NOT rw. I want to play with (ideally) 1 DM, 1 CM, 2 Wingers and 2 Forwards.
That's just me though. I'm not obsessed about Yossi playing wide, I just don't think (in my mind) that he'd play very often.
[/quote]

I didn't mean that you were obsessed, just that there seems to be this general school of thought that Yossi's best position is in the middle and he's wasted out wide. He's played most of his career out wide and a lot of attacking midfielders find that this is where they end up.

He's proven his worth as a squaddie in the three years that he's been here by averaging about 9 goals a season as a squad player. In a side that can struggles for goals and creativity without a certain two players, I'm just continually surprised that people don't seem to value that.

As for having traditional wingers starting fair enough. Why does Maxi get to stay though?
[/quote]Im not undervaluing what he has acheived here, but that's under Rafa and his tactics. He wouldn't play under my tactics and that's kinda the point of this thread.
And Maxi has played far wider for atletico and Argentina than he has here. He can cross the ball. In 3 years you could count yossis crosses on one hand.....that's had 3 fingers severed.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he can play a wingers role and hug the touchline and get crosses in but I have never seen any evidence of it.
I don't want to play with 3 narrow. Simple as.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40024.msg1096792#msg1096792 date=1272627783]
Stick a yes or no next to the following names if you would like them to still be here next August.
Obviously a mass exodus is unlikely but if it were up to you who would you say adios to?

Reina
Cavalieri
Insua
Aurelio
Kelly
Ayala
Degen
Johnson
Aquilani
Agger
Gerrard
Torres
Riera
Benayoun
Kyrgiakos
Maxi
Kuyt
Babel
Mascherano
Lucas
Carragher
Ngog
Plessis
El Zhar
Irwin
Skrtel
Pacheco
Benitez
Lee
Pellegrino
[/quote]
 
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