Salford United vs Liverpool 86% official match thread

[Oncy]

[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177543#msg1177543 date=1284907863]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.
[/quote]

there is a difference with playing to win but ending up with a draw and just plain playing for a draw.

 

[Rafiagra]

Surely if he was playing for a draw, he would have brought Torres off and packed the midfield?

As has been said elsewhere, the first XI was what everyone has been calling for. Now that is the first time they have played together so how can you expect them to go and outplay an experienced and as good a side as Man U?

 

[zlatan18]

As i have been saying all along, carragher gets beaten too easily these days and it showed with the winning goal!!

Hodgson didnt do anything wrong, dont know why people are being harsh on him.

Saying our season is over already.. we have played arsenal, (man city, man utd and birmingham away) which is by far the hardest fixtures.. people need to fucking relax!! season is 38games not 5

on a side note.. maxi is the RW version of lucas

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177548#msg1177548 date=1284908036]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177543#msg1177543 date=1284907863]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.
[/quote]

there is a difference with playing to win but ending up with a draw and just plain playing for a draw.
[/quote]So? Rafa and Houllier would both have come here defensively looking for a draw and hoping for a win. Houllier was the master of it because he had an eye for signing good defenders

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177558#msg1177558 date=1284908293]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177548#msg1177548 date=1284908036]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177543#msg1177543 date=1284907863]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.
[/quote]

there is a difference with playing to win but ending up with a draw and just plain playing for a draw.
[/quote]So? Rafa and Houllier would both have come here defensively looking for a draw and hoping for a win. Houllier was the master of it because he had an eye for signing good defenders
[/quote]

I'm not only talking about away to manu, we play for a draw away to ANYONE.

 

[RolandG]

Maxi is the RW version of Lucas? Hahahahahaaa

At least Lucas scores the occasional blinder!

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177561#msg1177561 date=1284908419]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177558#msg1177558 date=1284908293]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177548#msg1177548 date=1284908036]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177543#msg1177543 date=1284907863]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.
[/quote]

there is a difference with playing to win but ending up with a draw and just plain playing for a draw.
[/quote]So? Rafa and Houllier would both have come here defensively looking for a draw and hoping for a win. Houllier was the master of it because he had an eye for signing good defenders
[/quote]

I'm not only talking about away to manu, we play for a draw away to ANYONE.
[/quote]And you say this with authority after away games to 3 of the toughest teams to beat in the league.
How many times have Birmingham, United and City lost at home COMBINED last season?

 

[LadyRed]

Oh bite me Wilko

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177573#msg1177573 date=1284908724]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177561#msg1177561 date=1284908419]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177558#msg1177558 date=1284908293]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177548#msg1177548 date=1284908036]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177543#msg1177543 date=1284907863]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.
[/quote]

there is a difference with playing to win but ending up with a draw and just plain playing for a draw.
[/quote]So? Rafa and Houllier would both have come here defensively looking for a draw and hoping for a win. Houllier was the master of it because he had an eye for signing good defenders
[/quote]

I'm not only talking about away to manu, we play for a draw away to ANYONE.
[/quote]And you say this with authority after away games to 3 of the toughest teams to beat in the league.
How many times have Birmingham, United and City lost at home COMBINED last season?
[/quote]

I couldn't less about the opposition's home record, if there record is so good andwe are going to show no ambition then we should mail the 3 points to them and save the bus fare. I have no problem with having an organised team but play to win, show some ambition. the only reason roy jumped into action on the 60 min is we went 2-0 down and then we started pushing manu back, we only started playing when we were losing.

do you think arsenal are going to go to man city, brum and manu and say 'well, they have a really good home record, let's play for a draw'?

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=41944.msg1177582#msg1177582 date=1284908998]
Oh bite me Wilko
[/quote]

anita and wilko sitting in a tree, K.I.S.S.I.N.G.

 

[localny]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177584#msg1177584 date=1284909103]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177573#msg1177573 date=1284908724]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177561#msg1177561 date=1284908419]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177558#msg1177558 date=1284908293]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177548#msg1177548 date=1284908036]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177543#msg1177543 date=1284907863]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.
[/quote]

yup

there is a difference with playing to win but ending up with a draw and just plain playing for a draw.
[/quote]So? Rafa and Houllier would both have come here defensively looking for a draw and hoping for a win. Houllier was the master of it because he had an eye for signing good defenders
[/quote]

I'm not only talking about away to manu, we play for a draw away to ANYONE.
[/quote]And you say this with authority after away games to 3 of the toughest teams to beat in the league.
How many times have Birmingham, United and City lost at home COMBINED last season?
[/quote]

I couldn't less about the opposition's home record, if there record is so good andwe are going to show no ambition then we should mail the 3 points to them and save the bus fare. I have no problem with having an organised team but play to win, show some ambition. the only reason roy jumped into action on the 60 min is we went 2-0 down and then we started pushing manu back, we only started playing when we were losing.

do you think arsenal are going to go to man city, brum and manu and say 'well, they have a really good home record, let's play for a draw'?
[/quote]

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177584#msg1177584 date=1284909103]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177573#msg1177573 date=1284908724]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177561#msg1177561 date=1284908419]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177558#msg1177558 date=1284908293]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177548#msg1177548 date=1284908036]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177543#msg1177543 date=1284907863]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.
[/quote]

there is a difference with playing to win but ending up with a draw and just plain playing for a draw.
[/quote]So? Rafa and Houllier would both have come here defensively looking for a draw and hoping for a win. Houllier was the master of it because he had an eye for signing good defenders
[/quote]

I'm not only talking about away to manu, we play for a draw away to ANYONE.
[/quote]And you say this with authority after away games to 3 of the toughest teams to beat in the league.
How many times have Birmingham, United and City lost at home COMBINED last season?
[/quote]

I couldn't less about the opposition's home record, if there record is so good andwe are going to show no ambition then we should mail the 3 points to them and save the bus fare. I have no problem with having an organised team but play to win, show some ambition. the only reason roy jumped into action on the 60 min is we went 2-0 down and then we started pushing manu back, we only started playing when we were losing.

do you think arsenal are going to go to man city, brum and manu and say 'well, they have a really good home record, let's play for a draw'?
[/quote]Indeed, and how do Arsenal fare away from home at Bolton, Birmingham, Stoke etc?
Don't bother answering, I'm already bored of this.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177598#msg1177598 date=1284909359]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177584#msg1177584 date=1284909103]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177573#msg1177573 date=1284908724]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177561#msg1177561 date=1284908419]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177558#msg1177558 date=1284908293]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177548#msg1177548 date=1284908036]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177543#msg1177543 date=1284907863]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41944.msg1177534#msg1177534 date=1284907585]
Regardless of who we played, its our worst start in 18 years.

Roy looks more like he is content to contain the opposition instead of getting us playing our own game.
[/quote]Every manager we have ever had would be happy with a draw away at old Trafford.
[/quote]

there is a difference with playing to win but ending up with a draw and just plain playing for a draw.
[/quote]So? Rafa and Houllier would both have come here defensively looking for a draw and hoping for a win. Houllier was the master of it because he had an eye for signing good defenders
[/quote]

I'm not only talking about away to manu, we play for a draw away to ANYONE.
[/quote]And you say this with authority after away games to 3 of the toughest teams to beat in the league.
How many times have Birmingham, United and City lost at home COMBINED last season?
[/quote]

I couldn't less about the opposition's home record, if there record is so good andwe are going to show no ambition then we should mail the 3 points to them and save the bus fare. I have no problem with having an organised team but play to win, show some ambition. the only reason roy jumped into action on the 60 min is we went 2-0 down and then we started pushing manu back, we only started playing when we were losing.

do you think arsenal are going to go to man city, brum and manu and say 'well, they have a really good home record, let's play for a draw'?
[/quote]Indeed, and how do Arsenal fare away from home at Bolton, Birmingham, Stoke etc?
Don't bother answering, I'm already bored of this.

[/quote]

I'm guessing they didn't win? the point is with ambition they will win far more than they lose and will draw very few games, this attitude will see them COMFORTABLY in the top 4. we've played manu, man city and brum, say we played with more ambition and won one of those games but lost the other two, we'd have been better off points wise. playing to draw away from home is midtable mentaility which is probably where we'll end up this season.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=localny link=topic=41944.msg1177435#msg1177435 date=1284906050]
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=41944.msg1177431#msg1177431 date=1284905993]
2-2 and he wants to consolidate the draw. He came for a draw and is happy for a draw. And look what he invited instead ? We shouldn't have sat back after coming back to 2-2. No ambition whatsoever.

Uncle Roy deserves all the criticism.
[/quote]

Yup
[/quote]

MBBR's post is shite. And you agree with him ?

How many teams go to OT and get 50% of the possession ? We did today and played the ball around exceptionally well. Nani is one of the best & most talented wingers in the league, of course he's going to cause us problems, he would any FB, and his contribution made Berbatov opportunities he took superbly.

As for no ambition - what the fuck are you waffling on about. We came here with a patently inferior team and you, and some others on here, expect us to go on all out attack. Fuck me that's brainless. You can't say bringing N'Gog on for Maxi and Jova on for Miereles was a lack of ambition, it quite obviously was an attempt to win the game not contain.

We nullified their central midfield and stroked the ball around, of course our defence is going to struggle at times - we were playing one of the best teams in the world -but IMO they made a damn good job of it, we were a little unlucky Berbatov is on a hot streak, the Berbatov of last year wouldn't have had two let alone three.

In the end what cost us was a lack of creativity from Maxi & Cole. Cole was great in possession but invariably over-hit his passes, Maxi was just shite at everything. With the possession from our midfield base we should have done better. In the end I think Roy played it quite well against a superior team, neutralise the centre (Miereles and Poulson both had good games IMO) then attack, we did that and in the end could have won it - unfortunately the team slipped into defensive mode and gave the game away. We have to learn as a team (I don't think they were following instructions after the 2nd goal) not to take a step back when you have a team on the ropes.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41944.msg1177481#msg1177481 date=1284906941]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177457#msg1177457 date=1284906447]
the only reason roy made a sub on 60 minutes was we were 2-0, when we got back to 2-2 look at the subs he made, he was desparate for a point when all three points were there for the taking. the reason roy has 4 away wins in two years is because he doesn't play to win away from home.
[/quote]I agree totally with this post. Benitez did the same things constantly. We don't play to win we play not to lose, we make negative substitutions, taking off a creater for a grafter. I hate it. It's spineless and gutless and we get what we deserve time and again. We are mentally weak. It shows in how we start games.
[/quote]

And I really don't understand where you two are coming from (unless HO is jesting again - tough to tell nowadays).

Miereles (CM) for Jova (F) - yep, totally defensive.
N'Gog (CF) for Maxi (F) - again yep a definite backward step into defensive mode.
Agger for Konchesky - straight swop for a tiring Konch.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=41944.msg1177555#msg1177555 date=1284908259]
Surely if he was playing for a draw, he would have brought Torres off and packed the midfield?

As has been said elsewhere, the first XI was what everyone has been calling for. Now that is the first time they have played together so how can you expect them to go and outplay an experienced and as good a side as Man U?
[/quote]

Because Spider is fucking nutter. We had our best team out and they didn't 'play for a fucking draw' Gold help me.

4 new starters (Konchesky, Miereles, Cole, Poulson) and Jovanovic coming on later. How on earth people expect them to gel just 5 games into the season is fucking idiotic.

 

[Squiggles]

Jovanovic, Torres and N'gog on the same pitch and he's 'playing for a draw' and a 'coward'.

Good one.

We were pushed back because United pass the ball incredibly well. It wasn't some sudden decision from Hodgson muttered into the secret ear pieces of each player. It happened throughout the game, and it happens to every team who go to OT at some point.

But rant away. I won't read any of it.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41944.msg1177656#msg1177656 date=1284911501]
Jovanovic, Torres and N'gog on the same pitch and he's 'playing for a draw' and a 'coward'.

Good one.

We were pushed back because United pass the ball incredibly well. It wasn't some sudden decision from Hodgson muttered into the secret ear pieces of each player. It happened throughout the game, and it happens to every team who go to OT at some point.

But rant away. I won't read any of it.
[/quote]

Ditto your opinions throughout this thread. Some people just do my head in - it's like they didn't watch the match (or the opposition's play) at all and of course that means it's all Ol Roy's fault. :🙂

 

[Hansern]

So, the O'Shea situation then. Red card or did Webb do the correct thing?

I have to say I'm not sure about that one, Torres was certainly not in a scoring position as the ball was played very wide right. But O'Shea was the last defender and stopped Torres from going through as the last man.

Tough call, if it had been Boyce for Wigan on Rooney at OT, would it have been a red card? Probably.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41944.msg1177669#msg1177669 date=1284912204]
So, the O'Shea situation then. Red card or did Webb do the correct thing?

I have to say I'm not sure about that one, Torres was certainly not in a scoring position as the ball was played very wide right. But O'Shea was the last defender and stopped Torres from going through as the last man.

Tough call, if it had been Boyce for Wigan on Rooney at OT, would it have been a red card? Probably.
[/quote]

Well, how do you take it. Torres would have been in a scoring position on the penalty. I am ok with a booking there. However on the Oshea it is a clinical cynical foul on last man and should have been a straight uncomplicated red. No bullshit. Webb fucked it up big time.

 

[keniget]

I thought red card initially, but when they showed the replay it looked as though the angle of the pass would've made VDS favourite to get to the ball first.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=41944.msg1177676#msg1177676 date=1284912380]
I thought red card initially, but when they showed the replay it looked as though the angle of the pass would've made VDS favourite to get to the ball first.
[/quote]

Doesnt matter. OShea is not interested in nothing but taking down Torres as the last man. Straight red.

 

[RedStar]

If our best XI includes Maxi then we are more fucked than it appears, he is a spineless waste of a jersey

 

[spider-Neil]

I didn't have a problem with the starting line up, the thing that annoyed me most (other than the soft goals) was deciding to defend deep after we drew level and that was when we playing our best football of the match. if some people don't want to believe that isn't what happened and as a result manu had the freedom of the park to pick out crosses (because we were defending on the edge of our own area) then more power to you.

people can point out the attacking players on the pitch if they want and point out the formation but attacking and defending comes down to attitude and tactics and our attitude after we drew level was to consolidate the draw. sensible tactics away at manu? maybe, but ulitmately what did it get us? nothing.

ultimately what has that attitude (caution above all else) got us in 3 away games? 1 single point. the sad thing is I don't see that attitude changing anytime soon regardless of whether we are playing chelsea or a newly promoted team.

 

[Squiggles]

On my first viewing I didn't think Torres would reach the ball, so there was enough doubt over whether it would be a goal-scoring opportunity to issue a yellow card instead of a red.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=41944.msg1177679#msg1177679 date=1284912445]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41944.msg1177676#msg1177676 date=1284912380]
I thought red card initially, but when they showed the replay it looked as though the angle of the pass would've made VDS favourite to get to the ball first.
[/quote]

Doesnt matter. OShea is not interested in nothing but taking down Torres as the last man. Straight red.
[/quote]

a red card is denying a goal scoring oppertunity (I thought) and VDS was favorite to win the ball.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41944.msg1177684#msg1177684 date=1284912704]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=41944.msg1177679#msg1177679 date=1284912445]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41944.msg1177676#msg1177676 date=1284912380]
I thought red card initially, but when they showed the replay it looked as though the angle of the pass would've made VDS favourite to get to the ball first.
[/quote]

Doesnt matter. OShea is not interested in nothing but taking down Torres as the last man. Straight red.
[/quote]

a red card is denying a goal scoring oppertunity (I thought) and VDS was favorite to win the ball.
[/quote]

So the penalty was red then?

 

[RedStar]

no, by the time Torres was fouled he had given possesion away to another defender, cant remember who, so it wasnt a red either, I think Webb pretty much got it right today, I would like to have seen Nani booked for his ridiculous theatrics but aside from that I thought Webb did well

we blew it ourself we didnt need any help from him

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=RedStar link=topic=41944.msg1177699#msg1177699 date=1284913764]
no, by the time Torres was fouled he had given possesion away to another defender, cant remember who, so it wasnt a red either, I think Webb pretty much got it right today, I would like to have seen Nani booked for his ridiculous theatrics but aside from that I thought Webb did well

we blew it ourself we didnt need any help from him
[/quote]

Oshea is a proffesional foult on last man. Straight red. No arguments. They get a good hand from Webb there. Yes we can blame ourselves because we are cowards or out of form. But Webb gets it wrong.