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Finally someone talking sense about the incident.

You cannot condone swearing but it’s too simplistic to say Wayne Rooney’s outburst at West Ham will influence the youth of the nation. If you hear a young kid swearing, it’s more likely to be because he or she picked it up walking down the street or in the school playground.

Thirty years ago you wouldn’t hear a swear word on television but somehow most 15-year-olds still got to learn about the words from somewhere. So it’s an exaggeration to say youngsters pick up all their habits from TV.

What concerns me is that by punishing Rooney — and getting a week’s headlines out of it — the authorities are pushing more serious matters under the carpet. We’ve just heard two men, former Football Association chairman Lord Triesman and Premier League chairman and FA board member Sir Dave Richards, have an argument over who gave the England national team manager, Fabio Capello, a new deal before the World Cup.

The deal has been called a ‘mistake’ by the FA themselves but these two gentlemen contradicted each other over who was responsible. It was said at a parliamentary inquiry it was Triesman who agreed it. Triesman subsequently denied it, but Richards then told MPs the following week that the peer was responsible.

Those are two very influential men in our game in recent times and, putting it kindly, they can’t both be telling the whole truth.

That, for me, is far more concerning and wide-reaching than Rooney swearing and I think a lot of other people agree. It’s disconcerting to see the FA so happy to take the moral high ground and dish out punishments when their own house doesn’t always seem to be in order.

Rooney has become an easy target. If he swore in front of a camera as an actor or musician, his star value would probably be enhanced. Plenty of industries seem to encourage outrageous behaviour.

He isn’t picked by Manchester United and England because he claims to be the perfectly-behaved human being. He is picked because he is great at football. Unfortunately for him, he’s in an industry with plenty of differing interests and where blame has to be apportioned.

And, by the way, I’m not saying what Rooney did was big or clever.

He himself apologised very quickly afterwards and knows his talent doesn’t give him carte blanche to behave how he wants. I’m just saying we should get things in proportion. What is for sure, United will miss him in next Saturday’s FA Cup semifinal against Manchester City.

He was the best player on the pitch in last week’s Champions League first leg at Chelsea and any team who face a United team without Rooney know it gives them an advantage, despite Fergie having other top-line strikers like Javier Hernandez and Dimitar Berbatov to call on.



I think United are the biggest losers in this, going to Wembley without their best player. They have been punished more than anyone, certainly more than any television viewer who briefly caught Rooney’s outburst at Upton Park.

That was over so quickly, I don’t think most people would have realised what was said without all the repeats. United are a much better team when Rooney plays so, by implication, his absence gives City a better chance. In my view, it slightly tilts the odds in their favour.

People are beginning to talk about United’s Treble chances but I don’t think Sir Alex Ferguson will be thinking along those lines. It wasn’t long ago that Arsenal were being tipped to have a go at winning four trophies. What is possible and what actually happens in the end are two different things.

It has been said United haven’t been at their best this season but don’t go along with the theory that they’ve somehow muddled their way into this position.

Top of the Premier League, favourites to reach the Champions League final, an FA Cup semi-final. Every other club must wish they were that average.

United have an extremely strong squad and it takes many years to build that up properly. It’s not only about acquiring and developing the players either. When a manager like Fergie is in charge for a long time, he gets to know the players inside-out and that helps his judgment when deciding which individuals to pick for which games.

It’s unfortunate for him he won’t have Rooney next weekend. I wonder what Lord Triesman, Dave Richards and all those who listened to the parliamentary inquiry think about that.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44800.msg1312618#msg1312618 date=1302359314]
So it's an opinion based on zero evidence aside from "some games you've seen". And no one else agrees with you.

I wish I could bookmark your posts.
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Ryan - yes because having people agree is such an important barometer for an opinion (not). the great respect I have had since kt for your Own postings just vanished. I think he's a very talented player just completely over hyped, partly because I think he's brutal for england. I don't watch man u play as much as you. Now do me a favor and go be an arrogant ass somewhere else.
 
[quote author=El Pistolero link=topic=44800.msg1312728#msg1312728 date=1302385619]
Finally someone talking sense about the incident.

Top of the Premier League, favourites to reach the Champions League final, an FA Cup semi-final. Every other club must wish they were that average.
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This line rings so true.

I'm not sure they're favourites to get through to the CL final but they're certainly favoured to reach the semi's.

If they somehow get past city - and, ironically, I don't think they can - but, if they do, that could just about put them on a crest to carry them through the rest of the season.

Poorest manc team for ages indeed. :'(
 
Of course they are doing well, but this scum side is one of the worst they've produced for quite some time. If they are to have any chance of staying at the top, then they are going to need huge investment in their squad.
 
Thing is though, mate, so will the rest of us to catch them. Don't get me wrong, I think it's doable as they ARE a weaker side than they have been, but so are their closest competitors with the possible exception of Citeh, and even they haven't really made it count yet. They may have more competition in the years to come (including from us hopefully) but they'll still be in there pitching with the rest.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44800.msg1312821#msg1312821 date=1302431412]
Thing is though, mate, so will the rest of us to catch them. Don't get me wrong, I think it's doable as they ARE a weaker side than they have been, but so are their closest competitors with the possible exception of Citeh, and even they haven't really made it count yet. They may have more competition in the years to come (including from us hopefully) but they'll still be in there pitching with the rest.
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Personally mate i think we've got great chance of catching them up next season, it's City and the chavs that i'm worried about. I base this on my opinion that i just can't see the scum pumping in the cash that they'll need to if they are still owned by the current lot. I hate to say it but Fergie has done very well this season considering that they've got the 3rd best squad in the league.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44800.msg1312821#msg1312821 date=1302431412]
Thing is though, mate, so will the rest of us to catch them. Don't get me wrong, I think it's doable as they ARE a weaker side than they have been, but so are their closest competitors with the possible exception of Citeh, and even they haven't really made it count yet. They may have more competition in the years to come (including from us hopefully) but they'll still be in there pitching with the rest.
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Personally mate i think we've got great chance of catching them up next season, it's City and the chavs that i'm worried about. I base this on my opinion that i just can't see the scum pumping in the cash that they'll need to if they are still owned by the current lot. I hate to say it but Fergie has done very well this season considering that they've got the 3rd best squad in the league.
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If it was just domestically then your arguments would hold water. Given though they're 90 minutes away from the semi's of the CL then the options are simple; either the standard in the rest of Europe has fallen away to enable them to remain amongst the elite or they're not nearly as poor as you're suggesting.
 
Sorry wiz you'll have to remind me of who they've beaten in Europe so far (I still fancy the chavs to knock them out) ?

Would you disagree that this is the weakest scum side for some time?

With them looking like they are going to win the league it all looks rosy, but if they don't invest on a large scale this summer they'll stand little chance of winning either of the big 2 trophies next season imo.
 
I actually do think the standard in Europe has fallen.

The Italian teams as a group aren't anywhere near as strong as they were. Juve are nowhere to be found, Milan still can't quite get it together, Roma are generally very beatable, which just leaves Inter who are also struggling this year.

In Spain half the teams are bankrupt and the disparity between Real and Barca and the rest is a joke. And it's only after spending obscene amounts of cash by anyones standards that Real are starting to look more capable in Europe again.

Bayern have a decent side, but generally pretty beatable. Teams from France, Portugal and Holland are not in a good state on the whole.
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44800.msg1312896#msg1312896 date=1302440393]
Sorry wiz you'll have to remind me of who they've beaten in Europe so far (I still fancy the chavs to knock them out) ?

Would you disagree that this is the weakest scum side for some time?

With them looking like they are going to win the league it all looks rosy, but if they don't invest on a large scale this summer they'll stand little chance of winning either of the big 2 trophies next season imo.


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I stated in another thread I think this is one of their best football teams in the last decade. They don't have the stars like Becks, RVN, Keane, Ronaldo etc but they have incredible balance, some of the best goal scorers in the world and matchwinners coming off the bench.

They're beatable, for sure and I tipped Chelsea for the CL from about 2 days after Torres signed for them. However, after watching them put the Chavs down at the Bridge my estimation of them improved....... again. Against the top teams they have continued to perform at an exceptional level - city, arsenal, chelsea domestically they've been great.


I do accept Keni's thought that the standard in Europe looks to have dropped but I wonder if its simply the change in landscape which has thrown us. We're used to seeing Juve, Milan etc being exceptional. They haven't - though Milan have looked very good in Serie A - but other teams are playing very good football. I think Bayern are outstanding, Schalke - despite poor league form - have been excellent in Europe.

I still believe the epl is by far the number one league in the world and this, I believe, also skews our thinking. Over the last 25 years its been Spain and Italy who have been dominant in Europe and that sense of exotic greatness is intense. The reality is that England has dominated in Europe over the last 5 years for the simple reason that they have strengthened so much in that time. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens if Barca come up against the mancs or Chelsea.
 
Rooney has been dropped by his sponsor Coca Cola, making him one of the only dudes from Crocky not dealing coke.
 
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Rooney has been dropped by his sponsor Coca Cola, making him one of the only dudes from Crocky not dealing coke.
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D -

Must try harder.
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44800.msg1312896#msg1312896 date=1302440393]
Sorry wiz you'll have to remind me of who they've beaten in Europe so far (I still fancy the chavs to knock them out) ?

Would you disagree that this is the weakest scum side for some time?

With them looking like they are going to win the league it all looks rosy, but if they don't invest on a large scale this summer they'll stand little chance of winning either of the big 2 trophies next season imo.


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That didn't quite work out, did it mate?

I would have preferred Chelsea to go through but they were, once again, beaten by a superior team.

I still can't see them beating either Barca or Madrid but they are immeasurably better than most of us give them credit for.
 
I think Real and to a lesser extent Barca live dangerously at times. Utd are pretty ruthless and in a one off game are more than capable of beating either side. I don't particularly rate this Real team, so if Barca don't make to the final (and recapture their form from a few months ago) Utd have a very good chance.
 
Yeah fair play to the scum Wiz.

I still maintain though that this is one of the worst manc sides in years which Fergie is simply getting the most out of, whilst clubs like the chavs have the better squad yet are badly under performing.
 
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Rooney has been dropped by his sponsor Coca Cola, making him one of the only dudes from Crocky not dealing coke.
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Fuck off. We deal tomatoes. Coca Cola/Lemo is just hassle.
 
I said at the time Arsenal flattered Barca massively this season.

I said Chelsea or Utd would be more than capable of beating them and I stand by that.

United CAN beat Barca, whether they will or not is another matter all together.
 
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