I thought is fairly intuitive that reducing social contact would decrease infection rates. What makes you think it increases it?
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I thought is fairly intuitive that reducing social contact would decrease infection rates. What makes you think it increases it?
I cannot believe you're using Ferguson's discredited shite. Would you like a technical analysis of the code he used ?
I have take the missus for a driving lesson. Hurrah. 😱
The short answer I guess, is that intuition has no place in the scientific method.
Right, but what makes you think, or what evidence do you have, that increasing social interactions decreases the spread of infectious diseases?
Why not ? Your logic is seemingly at Trump's level. You can of course alternatively use pretty much any serious model from a respected source you like and there isn't a single one that doesn't forecast magnitudes of fatalities without taking interventions.
So clearly your "No one should give a sod" is at a QAnon level of rationality.
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I don't think that. My objection is to house arrests of the healthy on no evidence.
Depriving people of fresh air and sunshine increases the spread. (There is evidence for this.).
What sunshine? We live in the U.K. and it’s fucking raining. All the time. Nobody is under house arrest. How does keeping away from infected people actually increase the spread?
Because it was incredibly incredibly poor. Far worse than the back of a fag packet. (Do you still think he saved us all from the horror of foot and mouth too ?).
Because you used a disastrously bad and incorrect model, and I suggested it was such ? Hmmm. That's not me using logic, that's me saying the model was based on such shite code, I'd be giving written warnings if it appeared on any of my projects.
We'd need to agree on 'serious' and 'respected' of course. Maybe one that Matt Handcock approves of ? 🙂
This was a direct response to gkmacca's bitterness at the lovely lady from Bradford, of course. Quite happy to wash my hands, and stay at home if I feel peaky. Maybe that's giving a sod ?
You totally misinterpreted the meaning of the 'Why not'? in that It wasn't a Why not (use that research), it was Why not (because)? Your logic is seemingly at Trump's level (hence that is perfectly suited to your argument).
I would.
I can't believe people are still comparing it to the flu.
I had this argument on twitter about 6 months ago with a cardiologist who was citing research carried out by a Greek scientist in Stanford. A few weeks afterwards it came out that the research was terribly flawed. Colleagues had told him they didn't want their name on the paper because of the number of false positives but he went ahead and published. Turns out his data was shite and the doc who was arguing with me never got back when I pointed this out.
Incidentally, Greece had a proper lockdown early on and had very few deaths (fewer than 200), now that everything is opened up again the cases are through the roof and we've had over 500 deaths.
Also, I have relatives who are in the medical profession who say that it's a lot worse than the flu.
Also, I have a colleague who's a virologist who say's it's worse than the flu.
So, who to believe? Ukrainian by numbers or all the others who say it's not similar to the flu?
I had this argument on twitter about 6 months ago with a cardiologist who was citing research carried out by a Greek scientist in Stanford. A few weeks afterwards it came out that the research was terribly flawed. Colleagues had told him they didn't want their name on the paper because of the number of false positives but he went ahead and published. Turns out his data was shite and the doc who was arguing with me never got back when I pointed this out.
Incidentally, Greece had a proper lockdown early on and had very few deaths (fewer than 200), now that everything is opened up again the cases are through the roof and we've had over 500 deaths.
Also, I have relatives who are in the medical profession who say that it's a lot worse than the flu.
Also, I have a colleague who's a virologist who say's it's worse than the flu.
So, who to believe? Ukrainian by numbers or all the others who say it's not similar to the flu?
It's not just Ukrainian. Ctlovesred and numerous other fuckwits with the combined intelligence of one below average time share investor.
Ukrainian just happened to be the last tinfoil hat wearer in this thread.
"Lovely lady"? Fucking hell. Do you also adore Gemma Collins? When the media decides it's time to pluck some twat from the street and glorify their stupid witterings as 'refreshing common sense,' it's time to pick up Max Weber's collected works and wallop someone. I hope they wheel the stupid idiot around a Covid ward, so she can 'refresh' herself with a few facts before she opens her camera-hungry gob again.
i can't believe we're still having this stupid, retarded debate.
it's a bloody pandemic ffs.
it's a bloody pandemic ffs.
People are thick and would rather believe in conspiracy theories about their government, rather than think their government is just thick.
Most conspiracy theories come from a sense of inferiority, and looking for an explanation why powerful people would fuck up
Most conspiracy theories come from a sense of inferiority, and looking for an explanation why powerful people would fuck up
I've seen that episode of South Park
Exactly this. "I don't understand science, so the pyramids must have been built by Aliens".
The people who first figured out that humans could be manipulated and controlled are the obviously the people controlling the world right now.
Stupid ancestors...
Liberals always portray conservatives as hayseed bumpkins lapping up every conspiracy theory on their recliner watching Fox News.
What ever made people who think government is the answer and source think they are so much smarter than people who don't?
My whole family had the Rona, including my immuno compromised wife (MS, Lyme, POTS, Hashimoto's) and special needs oldest son. It's freaking inevitable. Couple of days of a fever for one, a little sore throat for another, and some tiredness.
We self treated with rest, hydration, vitamin c and zinc, garlic pills, avoided sugar and ate really healthy. Stayed home for 10 days. Done.
All this talk about how I should feel differently if it was my grandma is just a logical fallacy. Apply that to people whose family members have OD'd on drugs or died of alcoholism, does that change your opinion on locking people down so they don't use or drink? No because that's stupid.
There is no end game for this virus other than getting back to regular life with some basic precautions. Vaccine? Please. Whatever they come out with will be untested over time, and unlikely to be 100% effective for the broad population. Meaning we'll still be dealing with the virus. Not to mention that it's at least a year to two years before they can spin up and distribute enough for the whole world, plus 2 shots each separated by weeks or months.
You liberal sheep excited about lockdowns for the next two years? With no real promise of an end even then? For a virus with a 99.9% survival rate for most people, and 95% for seniors?
And I'm the dumb one?
What ever made people who think government is the answer and source think they are so much smarter than people who don't?
My whole family had the Rona, including my immuno compromised wife (MS, Lyme, POTS, Hashimoto's) and special needs oldest son. It's freaking inevitable. Couple of days of a fever for one, a little sore throat for another, and some tiredness.
We self treated with rest, hydration, vitamin c and zinc, garlic pills, avoided sugar and ate really healthy. Stayed home for 10 days. Done.
All this talk about how I should feel differently if it was my grandma is just a logical fallacy. Apply that to people whose family members have OD'd on drugs or died of alcoholism, does that change your opinion on locking people down so they don't use or drink? No because that's stupid.
There is no end game for this virus other than getting back to regular life with some basic precautions. Vaccine? Please. Whatever they come out with will be untested over time, and unlikely to be 100% effective for the broad population. Meaning we'll still be dealing with the virus. Not to mention that it's at least a year to two years before they can spin up and distribute enough for the whole world, plus 2 shots each separated by weeks or months.
You liberal sheep excited about lockdowns for the next two years? With no real promise of an end even then? For a virus with a 99.9% survival rate for most people, and 95% for seniors?
And I'm the dumb one?
Nobody's talking about the next two years. We're talking about now. Lives will be needlessly lost without social distancing and masks. That's all we got right now.
This is a new virus and the best advice will change when we have a better understanding of the science and the biology.
How hard is that to understand?
The logic you rely on is the same logic they will use to extend these lockdowns for the next two years.
How is that so hard to understand?
Washing hands and staying home when sick are proven science. Everything else is agenda driven fear-mongering. Why else would the CDC and all the other experts claim that wearing masks was not only not effective but a dumb idea in March, and then suddenly do a 180 and say that everyone will die (sarc) without them in April?
How is that so hard to understand?
Washing hands and staying home when sick are proven science. Everything else is agenda driven fear-mongering. Why else would the CDC and all the other experts claim that wearing masks was not only not effective but a dumb idea in March, and then suddenly do a 180 and say that everyone will die (sarc) without them in April?
This where you lost me and I have no interest in talking to you about this. You had a certain way of thinking already and look for evidence to suit that rather than having an open mind.
I get my advice from my sister who’s a doctor working in the NHS btw.
The problem when staying home when sick, when it comes to this virus, is that it takes about two days for people to get sick, and you can infect people in that time. If people weren't infectious before they had symptoms, it'd be a lot easier to deal with, and staying home when sick would be enough.
That's your prerogative of course, but choosing not to consider common sense questions won't get you nearer the truth.
And listening to one doctor is getting one opinion. If I found you a doctor who said that masks are by and large useless and lockdowns don't work you'd have to decide why you are willing to listen to one and not the other. And then you'd have to say to yourself what you just said to me.
And listening to one doctor is getting one opinion. If I found you a doctor who said that masks are by and large useless and lockdowns don't work you'd have to decide why you are willing to listen to one and not the other. And then you'd have to say to yourself what you just said to me.
No, you're an arsehole.
We lost a family member this year to this very fucking disease.
Shove your garlic pills up your hoop and do one, you stupid fucking wanker.
Understood, and that is true. But isn't that why we wash our hands and keep our distance?
Secondly, 70 odd percent of people who test positive report wearing a mask all the time.
Thirdly, most people who get infected experience mild to no symptoms. If you are in the highest risk cohort then take extra precautions.
I'm very sorry for your loss. Truly. Losing a loved one in any circumstance is heart breaking.
True though init.
Also, easier to feel superior to people by believing in something outlandish and throwing retarded terms like "sheep" about
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