Rodgers

[mark1975]

FSG haven't the footballing nous or experience to be trusted blindly they will make mistakes. How they learn and bounce back from them is key to our future and our success will be dependent on it. Kenny's spending is a point in case.

What they have is the best interest of the club at heart. Whoever is giving them advice we should hope will have a vested interest in the club.

I don't know why people are acting so surprised that A) They're seeking advice, B) they've changed their stance over the DoF role and C) They've brought in a different structure to what was originally reported.

They can't win really. If they had been stubborn and stuck with their plan to the detriment of bringing in their initial managerial targets, they'd have been lambasted. The main thing is that the personnel are correct, the structure is neither here nor there, nor should it be. People are criticising their change of stance, the same people who were criticising the original reported plans in the first place!

 

[the count]

I agree completely with Macca on this. From the reports, my only conclusion is FSG haven't a clue what they're doing, and what's possibly worse, will let their plans be dictated by their staff. Isn't this the same 'approach' that got them a manager they never wanted in Kenny? Also, I find this excuse that no prospective manager accepted the proposed structure fucking ridiculous: if they were so keen on thier precious model, why did they begin by approaching PL managers, for whom a Sporting Director is rather alien, instead of a European manager who'd have been used to it all their professional life?

I'm sorry but I think they're fools. I only hope they've lucked into making the right decision and that Rodgers is up to basically running the whole shebang, because it's a lot to ask of someone with very little experience.

I really hope you are wrong Peter but I suspect and fear that this is probably not a million miles away from what is happening.
I was trying to ignore it though so thanks for that😵

 

[mark1975]

Haven't they more or less implied that someone will be coming in a Directorial role, but more in an administrative capacity? It seems they're half confused between what a DoF is and what a CEO does.

 

[Delinquent]

You mean other than reports that provide us with something to critique, although I thought that forums feed off such things for most of the time without such admonitions.

It's one thing speculating about something, but you seem to be pursuing some kind of personal vendetta against the owners. And all of it is based on little more than heresay and assumption at this stage. You may or may not be right, but I think such scathing criticism should probably be reserved until we have a few more facts to work with.

 

[gkmacca]

The people who pay the money are entitled to ask for as much reassuring info as they want before buying any new players, but for me that means the manager should just get anyone already on staff - say that 'match analyst' chappie - to send them all the stats and supportive comments available. Indeed, you could say that manager have been given far too much licence to take a punt on the Voronins of this world, and an obligation to back up their judgements is overdue. But you don't need full-time staff to do this (and only this). That smacks of people who gaze too long at plans and not enough at history and practical reality. I think there's still too much of a belief within Henry that a perfect method can be found to creat a great team, and there isn't. It's a horribly messy, error-prone and lucky, as well as rational, process that probably drives him crazy, but that's sport rather than computer games and abstract theorems. If they want a boot room-style scenario, great, but there's no need for the white-coated tecchie brigade to get involved.

 

[gkmacca]

It's one thing speculating about something, but you seem to be pursuing some kind of personal vendetta against the owners. And all of it is based on little more than heresay and assumption at this stage. You may or may not be right, but I think such scathing criticism should probably be reserved until we have a few more facts to work with.

List me all the posts where this 'vendetta' appears over the past month. How many are there?
Pathetic. You've had this obsession with me for a long time and frankly I'd prefer it if you ignored me as eagerly as I usually ignore you.

 

[peterhague]

I really hope you are wrong Peter but I suspect and fear that this is probably not a million miles away from what is happening.
I was trying to ignore it though so thanks for that😵

Haha. Tbh mate I think Rodgers is sound and I'm pretty confident we'll be ok under him - if that's worth anything!

FSG, though....hmmmmm. I'm simply amazed how inept they seem to be; they looked like they were going to be so smooth and efficient when they first arrived, judging by Henry and their work at the Red Sox. For a start, most of their problems could've been avoided if they'd just appointed a proper, experienced, Chief Executive imo. That they don't know the game isn't really much of an excuse in my eyes. Plus it's just an accumulation of little things, like Henry consulting Paul frigging Tomkins about how to assess Comolli's work. That he did that is bad enough, but couldn't he at least have prevailed upon Tomkins to keep the conversation secret and avoid embarrassing himself and the club?

 

[Delinquent]

List me all the posts where this 'vendetta' appears over the past month. How many are there?
Pathetic. You've had this obsession with me for a long time and frankly I'd prefer it if you ignored me as eagerly as I usually ignore you.

Only you could be so laughably egotistical as to think that me objecting to you is in some way an indication that I'm "obsessed" with you. Can you even remember the last time I replied to one of your posts before today? Pathetic indeed.

 

[gkmacca]

Only you could be so laughably egotistical as to think that me objecting to you is in some way an indication that I'm "obsessed" with you. Can you even remember the last time I replied to one of your posts before today? Pathetic indeed.

So why reply now? Why not chase after Ryan for his 'vendetta' against Dalglish? Why not stick your snout into other debates where far more fierce and often crazed arguments are commonplace? Because it doesn't suit you. Sunny, of all people, has had more arguments than I've had in the past week. In fact, if someone was cool enough to check, they'd find that I seldom get embroiled in arguments on here. But you log every one and build it into a weird little myth inside your own head. How many media comments have I made in the past month? Barely any, but rest assured if I made so much as two on the same day someone - we all know who - will pop up and claim it's an 'obsession'. That's pathetic. It's biased and I'm sick to death of it. I'm not going to read this thread any more, because, contrary to your over-aired opinion, I've no interest in such spats, but hopefully more balanced readers will look above and see there was merely a calm expression of an opinion (albeit an opinion which is not tolerated by some.)

 

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[Judge Jules]

OK, if this were happening in a pub or something, I as someone who likes and respects both of you would step quietly in and ask you both if you'd leave it there.

 

[RolandG]

OK, if this were happening in a pub or something, I as someone who likes and respects both of you would step quietly in and ask you both if you'd leave it there.

Judge bringing down the gavel on a dispute. Sort them JJ!

 

[FoxForceFive]

OK, if this were happening in a pub or something, I as someone who likes and respects both of you would step quietly in and ask you both if you'd leave it there.

Jules just did my modding for me, only much more eloquently.

Take the advice he gave please lads. Cheers.

 

[kingjulian]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

I just brought some rotten tomatoes to this thread....

 

[Hansern]

Dont see the big problem with the owners changing their views on how our set up should be. Much better that we get the best out of Rodgers and his strenghts. Instead of having a a sporting director there will be a head of recruitment and a panel that will ensure that we have a bigger chance of getting our transfers right.
The fact that we'll use a more statistical approach (which has served Newcastle extremely well) and looking for the right type of mentality in players, does infact show that they are getting it.

Cant see why there needs to be any drama over this, let Rodgers get on with it and the owners to get their people in place.

 

[mark1975]

Exactly. Seems like a load of flapping over nothing, as per. Let's see what happens.

 

[mark1975]

Is anyone else really looking forward to seeing what happens over the Summer, friendlies etc? It'll be interesting to see the breed of players that we go for. Home based, from abroad, young, old, whichever, as long as they're good that's the main thing obviously. I want to see how he sets us up in the forthcoming friendlies. I hope he's not overly cautious, Swansea played a tight game, although they did try to be expansive and play the possession game, they didn't play like a battering ram either like we tried to last year, throwing everything at teams. His approach seems much more measured and patient with more focus on building moves, rather than chucking the ball into the box and hoping for the best.

The Euro's are a healthy distraction anyway. For now, it seems there's an air of change in football again with more defensive sides gaining the upper hand. Cyclic as ever.

 

[Judge Jules]

Well, as always the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, but I'm looking forward to it all as well, and I'm quietly optimistic about how it will turn out.

 

[Delinquent]

Jules just did my modding for me, only much more eloquently.

Take the advice he gave please lads. Cheers.

It's just handbags really. I should have known better than to openly oppose his views. We all know how personally he takes it.

 

[gkmacca]

Mods? Mods?? Notice this, do you?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Mods? Mods?? Notice this, do you?

Put him on ignore mate -

 

[Jürgen4PM]

OK, if this were happening in a pub or something, I as someone who likes and respects both of you would step quietly in and ask you both if you'd leave it there.

Rosco isn't even gone yet and you're after is job.....................Nice.

 

[Judge Jules]

Arf. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, mate. 😉

 

[Squiggles]

Rodgers does have something about him. I think he would have no problem in establishing his authority over the players and getting them to play his way.

It's been over three years since I've watched us play and thought we had any kind of system or style. Just to get that back would be reassuring.

I think we all deserve to see some exciting footballers play for us again. That's another thing we've gone too long without.

 

[Portly]

It's been over three years since I've watched us play and thought we had any kind of system or style. Just to get that back would be reassuring.

Amen to that! For me, it's been a lot more than three years. Our players always look as if they have just met for the first time, and are making it up as they go along. In my opinion, solving that problem is more important than the size of the transfer budget!

 

[gkmacca]

What the club has (almost) always managed to do in the modern era is find someone who is not only a good manager but also a good man, and Rodgers certainly seems like a good man. Hopefully he'll prove himself a good manager, too, but he needs backing in the transfer market. It would send out quite the wrong message at this stage to appoint a young manager from a smaller club and then hand him a smaller club's budget. He needs the funds to step up.

 

[RolandG]

What the club has (almost) always managed to do in the modern era is find someone who is not only a good manager but also a good man, and Rodgers certainly seems like a good man. Hopefully he'll prove himself a good manager, too, but he needs backing in the transfer market. It would send out quite the wrong message at this stage to appoint a young manager from a smaller club and then hand him a smaller club's budget. He needs the funds to step up.

The quality of the players that we bring in will say much about our ambition and that of Rodgers.

FSG backed him by accepting his terms of employments, now comes the cash part to drive the message home.

 

[Y1]

Enough already talking possibly how good he is. Show us the moolah!

 

[localny]

Macca speaks sense.

 

[Judge Jules]

I can't believe either (a) that they would have offered anyone the job, or (b) that Rodgers or any other manager worth Liverpool's interest would have accepted it, without additional money to spend on players. It won't be a Citeh-style avalanche of cash though - I'm guessing somewhere between 20 and 30 mill, with anything further having to come from selling current squad members.