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Read it yesterday and thought is was sensible especially that we saved a significant sum as suggested by the article.
I have often thought that the Professional Footballers Association should offer a similar agent's service to players. This would avoid the game being disrupted by dodgy agents who skim large sums of money from all and sundry, and try to make their clients dissatisfied so that they get transfers and earn them more money.
That's a great idea actually.
It's disappointing to think we need to ramp up the attention we pay to the mental strength of potential signings. I'd have thought that was one of the fundamental factors in the decision whether or not to buy them. You can bet ManUre have paid major attention to it down the years.
Moyes rates it higher than anything else & it shows in their team spirit & mentality.
True. It pains me to say it, but that approach has paid dividends for him and for them.
They do offer this service, just most footballers use independant agents because they feel they get them a better deal unfortunetly
You'll find it mentioned in the Clarke thread. Anyway, the idea that Rodgers is now being made responsible for appointing various stats specialists again undermines the coherence of FSG's approach. As anyone knows, you can handpick such specialists to support one policy or the opposite. If a manager chooses them it threatens to vitiate the reason for getting them in the first place. Another sign of FSG clinging on to a plan whilst fudging it.
This.
BR can appoint his cronies (who would do anything different?) now and our new structure is just same old new.
Except there will be more people on the payroll. I'm honestly not wanting to seem negative about this, but it just seems frustratingly muddled to me. These advisors seem inspired by the idea that no manager's judgement is infallible, and no set of cronies around a manager are much less fallible, so a greater degree of independence and diversity of opinion is sought. Fine, if you want that approach. But then they ask the manager to go out and decide who these people are, which seems to undermine the intention. Rafa would seek out people who use stats to justify his choices, Houllier would have found some who suited his agenda and Kenny would have done the same. So the logic surely demands that FSG impose their own choices on the manager. But FSG don't want to challenge a manager who has rejected the prospect of such impositions. So they indulge themselves AND the manager. I'd rather they left Rodgers to manage as he wishes without bloating the backroom staff.
I think perhaps we should stop making assumptions about everything and wait until we have something to critique.
Ayre comments about management structure and BR statement about not working in director of football, has caused this fudge.
If I was guessing, I think all the mangers they had short listed refused to work under this structure, so they made a decision based on the ***best*** manager for the job
If I was guessing, I think all the mangers they had short listed refused to work under this structure, so they made a decision based on the ***best*** manager for the job
You mean other than reports that provide us with something to critique, although I thought that forums feed off such things for most of the time without such admonitions.
Surely this can be said about most things we discuss on this forum.
No one really knows what's ***actually*** goings on behind the scenes. We look at the information in front of us and make a load of assumptions.
Otherwise there would be no forum!
Or, the DoF's they spoke to didn't fit the criteria they were looking for?
Either or both scenarios are plausible.
Unlike macca I'm trying to see the positive side, they are prepared to change their mind & rethink things with new advice, had they steadfastly stuck to it we could have had van Gaal with a manager with little premiership experience, if any, which would have scared me witless.
Every club manager has his war-room/back room staff that he chooses and relies on. The criticism of Rodgers appointment, his choices and him sticking to his principles is presumptious at best. That's the mark of a confident man who knows what he wants. He is willing to back it up and as such will live or die by his own choices.
He rejected 3 contracts because he stood by his beliefs. He told FSG that a DoF should have been appointed first before a manager. He was honest and that was their plan. I would hope that his footballing principles swayed them.
He is young, on the up, clever, resourceful and has a vision for the way he wants the club to play. He is our new manager regardless of any baseless criticism. That's a fact and we should be united in his support. At least give him an opportunity to impress his footprint on the club before judging him a failure. You may be pleasantly surprised.
He rejected 3 contracts because he stood by his beliefs. He told FSG that a DoF should have been appointed first before a manager. He was honest and that was their plan. I would hope that his footballing principles swayed them.
He is young, on the up, clever, resourceful and has a vision for the way he wants the club to play. He is our new manager regardless of any baseless criticism. That's a fact and we should be united in his support. At least give him an opportunity to impress his footprint on the club before judging him a failure. You may be pleasantly surprised.
Who's judging him a failure?? In fact, who's criticising him at all?
I'm trying to see the positive side as well. I'm merely questioning one particular issue. I'm very impressed with Rodgers so far. I'd prefer him to be left alone to pursue his own ideas and stand or fall by his own decisions, but if there's another strategy I think I'm entitled to be curious about it and discuss what reports come out.
I don't think he was implying that Macca, more a word of caution after what happened with Kenny. To be fair anyway, hmmmm was suggesting we're letting him bring his 'cronies' in, which is automatically a case of more of the same as what was happening previously.
Which is speculative criticism at its worst.
Sure. I think it's entirely natural for any manager to bring in like-minded people - in fact it would be downright bizarre if he sought out people who weren't like-minded. And if, again quite understandably, he doesn't want non-like-minded people imposed on him, I'm not yet convinced it makes any sense to invite him to help complete a structure that he clearly doesn't want. That just seems incoherent and unnecessary. If some people want to ignore every report and trust blindly in what FSG may or may not be doing, fine, but I don't see that as better or worse as an approach. (If everyone adopted that attitude in the transfer threads - actually in just about all other threads - they'd come to an abrupt halt!)
I agree completely with Macca on this. From the reports, my only conclusion is FSG haven't a clue what they're doing, and what's possibly worse, will let their plans be dictated by their staff. Isn't this the same 'approach' that got them a manager they never wanted in Kenny? Also, I find this excuse that no prospective manager accepted the proposed structure fucking ridiculous: if they were so keen on thier precious model, why did they begin by approaching PL managers, for whom a Sporting Director is rather alien, instead of a European manager who'd have been used to it all their professional life?
I'm sorry but I think they're fools. I only hope they've lucked into making the right decision and that Rodgers is up to basically running the whole shebang, because it's a lot to ask of someone with very little experience.
I'm sorry but I think they're fools. I only hope they've lucked into making the right decision and that Rodgers is up to basically running the whole shebang, because it's a lot to ask of someone with very little experience.
I do think FSG are in some respects making it up as they go along. That said, they are listening to people, seeking advice and as we've seen over this whole DoF affair, seem willing to not be quite as set on the structure as we thought, certainly not to the point where it blinded them by dictating their whole approach to bringing someone in. I 'hope' that they are showing flexibility and a willingness to not only learn, but to be open to suggestion and advice too. And Peter - I don't see how that means they're being dictated to by their staff. Whatever you might think about their original 'plan', it hasn't happened. At least we can say that we've finally got staff in senior positions who aren't stubborn cunts. Eh?
That's a whole lot better than them being stubborn and sticking with they're initial ideas for a sport they have next to no knowledge of.
FSG haven't the footballing nous or experience to be trusted blindly they will make mistakes. How they learn and bounce back from them is key to our future and our success will be dependent on it. Kenny's spending is a point in case.
What they have is the best interest of the club at heart. Whoever is giving them advice we should hope will have a vested interest in the club.
What they have is the best interest of the club at heart. Whoever is giving them advice we should hope will have a vested interest in the club.
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