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Question: how did the man who was hailed as the finest British coach in a long time, go from being so respected by us all in June 2014 to becoming pretty much a joke to us all, just 15 months later. I mean, it's incredible really - is it the shagging of staff? the over promotion? the over talking? the self aggrandizing? Or just the results?
 
He got found out, not as totally incompetent but as overpromoted in the Liverpool job, when Suarez left and the gaps in his skill set (onfield, defensive organisation - off the field, refusal/inability to make good use of players he himself hadn't selected) were exposed.
 
I think BR lost his best players whilst in charge in circumstances beyond his control (Carra, Reina, Suarez, Sturridge, Gerrard) and wasn't able to adapt tactically or sign replacements due to inexperience. In addition he couldn't cope with the pressure which effected his decision making in all fields. I don't have an image to portray this.
 
Everyones expecting Klopp to be the messiah, he's also shown he can struggle when stripped of his best players. Rodgers did great during the 13/14 season but struggled to attract an able reaplacement for Suarez, while being sucker punched by the Sturridge injury. His defensive flaws were magnified and people chose to dissect his private life and press conferences through frustration with him. The club as a whole has just about redeemed itself by attracting Klopp, its a shame it didn't have the same level of ambition when going all out to attract a certain calibre of player. Which is why we've got Klopp, because he's someone who'll work within the constraints that the club seems content to work under.
 
I always got the feeling the players didn't believe in him so much after Suarez left. When he got the players to play for him he had that 6 wins on the trot. Klopp has a massive personality, looks like he can engage with the players to get the best out of them.
 
localny said:
Question: how did the man who was hailed as the finest British coach in a long time, go from being so respected by us all in June 2014 to becoming pretty much a joke to us all, just 15 months later. I mean, it's incredible really - is it the shagging of staff? the over promotion? the over talking? the self aggrandizing? Or just the results?
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Try all 5 together. There you go.
 
We came close to the league because of Suarez. Yes, there were other great performers, but Suarez was the heart and soul of that team and carried Rogers and his performance from toor four or five to nearly the very top.
 
Initially I thought he was simply a great motivational coach... Someone who could work wonders with any squad. I never considered him a good 'manager'.. by that I mean someone who could run all day to day club tasks including scouting and recruitment. In fact..I don't think that person exists unless they give 80% of the on field stuff to their backroom staff.

Funnily enough... I actually think the squad is strong at the moment and his downfall is actually the area I initially considered one of his strengths. He did a cracking job of fucking with his players confidence last year and appeared to go out of his way to prove that some players didn't fit his rigid agenda.
 
localny said:
Question: how did the man who was hailed as the finest British coach in a long time, go from being so respected by us all in June 2014 to becoming pretty much a joke to us all, just 15 months later. I mean, it's incredible really - is it the shagging of staff? the over promotion? the over talking? the self aggrandizing? Or just the results?
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He didn't start off great, with that Ch5 documentary and the portrait of himself in his front room. He was immediately pilloried by rival fans and dubbed "Brentan Rodgers". But while he did talk too much, he did seem to say the right things about the club and the fans. Don't need to dwell on the great, amazingly fun "almost" season of Suarez and Sturridge, which was undermined by his fatal lack of defensive tactical ability, but the following season was a horrible spectacle and when things don't go well, all your personal and professional flaws are magnified.

As for his status as the brightest and best young British coach, he maybe still is, I don't know. What competition is there anyway? Monk? Howe?

Rodgers had - and still has - quite a few fans in the media and in football, because many desperately wanted a big club job to go to a British manager, and he was the anointed one.

On a personal level, I thought he was - at his worst - a bullshitting charlatan, who resembled a middle-management sales rep from around 1998, who had read one book on management, one article on motivation and a guide to using PowerPoint. At his best he seemed a decent, hardworking manager who found the job eventually way too big for him. Lots of the players he bought were average to shite and doomed to failure: Lallana, Sakho, Markovic, Lovren, Allen, Balotelli, Borini - transfer committee notwithstanding (although I thought Benteke, Milner and Clyne were all decent signings).

Anyway, I won't miss him.

Klopp is a far better manager and a very exciting appointment
 
talk of things going to shit when Suarez left must call in to question whether Rodgers is noticeably better or worse than a coach like Guardiola who is enjoying success and coincidentally never had to cope with the loss of top players.
 
He was over-promoted, as JJ says above. He also failed to appreciate that great coaching, outside of a text book, exists as a dialectic of form and content - one is always affecting and changing the other. He came in privileging form over content, and never quite got over it. From the horribly self-conscious and predictable manner whereby the team brought the ball out from defence, to the downright perverse backward passing deep in the opposition half, the idea of possession football usually seemed almost arrogantly divorced from the specific situation on the pitch at any given time. And when the pressure made him crack, all that was left was formless content. At his most self-confident he seemed like an economist, brushing aside unnervingly unpredictable ideas about animal spirits so that he could concentrate on equations and graphs.
 
gkmacca said:
He was over-promoted, as JJ says above. He also failed to appreciate that great coaching, outside of a text book, exists as a dialectic of form and content - one is always affecting and changing the other. He came in privileging form over content, and never quite got over it. From the horribly self-conscious and predictable manner whereby the team brought the ball out from defence, to the downright perverse backward passing deep in the opposition half, the idea of possession football usually seemed almost arrogantly divorced from the specific situation on the pitch at any given time. And when the pressure made him crack, all that was left was formless content. At his most self-confident he seemed like an economist, brushing aside unnervingly unpredictable ideas about animal spirits so that he could concentrate on equations and graphs.
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There was an obvious and definite egomaniacal element to him. Always trying to show how he was just that little bit smarter than his troglodyte peers.

He was his own greatest mentor, because he was self-taught.

Remember that quote? Immediately the most worrying thing I ever read from Rodgers. Because what is classic autodidact behaviour? Constantly trying to prove they are that bit cleverer, due to ingrained and irretrievably damming lack of self-esteem; a tendency to leap immediately onto one blindly grabbed theory (which is why autodidacts all love a conspiracy theory), and refusing to accept it might be wrong (or simply one of many theories); and a tragically misplaced sense of superiority.

Autodidacts are the most dangerous of people.

So we had the passing out from the back. The death by football. The Welsh Xavi who would be worth £30m by now. The "you train dogs, you educate players". The "other teams play with 10 men and a goalkeeper". "Anyone can set up a team to defend". And finally, tellingly, the astonishing appointment of ex-Doncaster Rovers and Crawley Town manager, O'Driscoll. Because here was a man who the established big clubs and media had ignored. Here was a man who at 60, was now going to be elevated to his true status, whose unique coaching brilliance was finally going to be recognised by the only man seemingly capable of doing so: Brendan Rodgers.
 
mark1975 said:
Everyones expecting Klopp to be the messiah, he's also shown he can struggle when stripped of his best players. Rodgers did great during the 13/14 season but struggled to attract an able reaplacement for Suarez, while being sucker punched by the Sturridge injury. His defensive flaws were magnified and people chose to dissect his private life and press conferences through frustration with him. The club as a whole has just about redeemed itself by attracting Klopp, its a shame it didn't have the same level of ambition when going all out to attract a certain calibre of player. Which is why we've got Klopp, because he's someone who'll work within the constraints that the club seems content to work under.
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Dont underestimate the impact losing Sterling had either. People can say whatever they want but the kid was very talented and probably one of our most important players last season.

Rodgers couldnt set up the defensive part of the team though. We could see that in 13/14 aswell.
 
If we don't look back then history is doomed to repeat itself. The man is an enormous bellend. We can never install an enormous bellend as the manager of this club again. The first time is a tragedy, the second a farce and all that.

We all knew he was a bellend from day one. We looked past the fact because he seemed to be getting results. And then came that season, when we'd have backed Fritzl as long as we kept playing like that. But in the end the enormous bellend will always revert to type. The latent bellend is still a bellend. And Rodgers went on to show that deep inside him, when you pulled away the layers and tried to find out what was really there, the man behind the bellend, there was in fact an even bigger inner bellend just dying to get out, like Russian dolls in reverse.
 
gkmacca said:
He was over-promoted, as JJ says above. He also failed to appreciate that great coaching, outside of a text book, exists as a dialectic of form and content - one is always affecting and changing the other. He came in privileging form over content, and never quite got over it. From the horribly self-conscious and predictable manner whereby the team brought the ball out from defence, to the downright perverse backward passing deep in the opposition half, the idea of possession football usually seemed almost arrogantly divorced from the specific situation on the pitch at any given time. And when the pressure made him crack, all that was left was formless content. At his most self-confident he seemed like an economist, brushing aside unnervingly unpredictable ideas about animal spirits so that he could concentrate on equations and graphs.
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Klopp had a fair bit to say about aimless possession in his first presser. He's been pretty unvarnished in his criticisms of how we were playing.
 
I hate this lazy comment that the good season was down to Suarez and had nothing to do with Mr Rodgers (doffs cap to Oncie). Do we say the early 70s were down to Keegan & not Shanks, or the early 80s were down to Dalglish/Rush & not Paisley or the late 80s to Barnes/Beardsley & not Dalglish? Of course not - we praise Bill & Bob & Kenny for finding those players and turning them into legends.

OK, so he never signed Suarez, but do people forget that at the start of that season Suarez was persona non grata, training with the reserves and (especially given his body language in Gerrrard's testimonial) fed up with being at LFC? Why not give a modicum of credit to Mr Rodgers for turning that situation around, building a team around him & nearly winning the league .

Yes, he is due a lot of criticism, but please give credit where it is due... and for that season the credit is surely due
 
So if the transfer committee had used bellend as a key attribute for potential recruits we woudl be English & European champions by now.

At the end of the day Rodgers' failure was entirely due to the TC's inability to identify bellendiness
 
It makes me laugh the nonsense that it was all done to Suarez. Surely it deserves a mention that Daniel Sturridge, who was signed by Rodgers, scored 24 goals that year. It follows a weird trend in liverpool supporters failing to acknowledge what he's done for this team.
 
Rumour has it that Rodgers is being sounded out for the England job wen Woy gets twatted next summer. EBJT is supposedly going to be his #2

Now if that doesn't exceed expectations in the bellend stakes, there is something seriously wrong with the bellendometer
 
tombrown said:
Rumour has it that Rodgers is being sounded out for the England job wen Woy gets twatted next summer. EBJT is supposedly going to be his #2

Now if that doesn't exceed expectations in the bellend stakes, there is something seriously wrong with the bellendometer
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Jesus - Lock all the wags, mothers, daughters and secretaries away!
 
Legendary post by @Woland.

It was like Sir David Attenborough was narrating how bellends behave in their natural habitat.

" But in the end the enormous bellend will always revert to type. The latent bellend is still a bellend."

"The bellend works well with the bellend."

LOL
 
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